Updated: Who Should Be Our Next OC? It's Trestman

[ravensnick]

I think you mean good job to Harbaugh.

Ozzie has some past experience with Trestman, but yes, Harbaugh is to credit.

[balfan23]

Who was left that would be better?

Crickets chirping ... 

[flynismo]

Who was left that would be better?

Not sure if there were any better options than Trestman. But, it doesn't change my opinion that I am not a big fan of him being our OC....I know we are just doing the best with what we have available

[PerpetuallyBored74]

 

A reporter asked owner Eddie DeBartolo about Marc Trestman.

''He's gone,'' DeBartolo replied.

And somewhere, Jerry Rice smiled. Real, real big.

Because if there was anything Rice - the NFL's best wide receiver ever - wanted to hear this past off-season, it was that Trestman - Rice's least favorite offensive coordinator ever - was to be out of a job.

And now, as Rice enters a 13th NFL season, he says he feels more optimistic now than in a long while, particularly than the end of last year.

The absence of Trestman is the reason.

Not that Rice, who holds every major receiving record in NFL history, hated Trestman. It's just he hated the things Trestman made him do:

Run 2-yard crossing routes.

Take a physical beating.

And eventually, even consider retirement.

''That was a nightmare for me,'' said Rice, who caught 108 passes last season, but for ''only'' eight touchdowns and 1,254 yards, an 11.6-yards-per-reception average, 4 yards below his career average.

''I caught a lot of balls, but it was not a fun year for me,'' said Rice, the NFL's all-time leader in touchdowns, yards receiving and career receptions, who is expected to play extensively in the first half tomorrow night when the Jaguars play the 49ers at 3Com Park in San Francisco in a preseason game. ''I had some doubts in my mind. I was saying, 'Jerry, you've been here for a long time. Maybe it's time to leave, move on.' ''

The main problem was how Trestman used Rice, as a possession receiver, an inexplicable tactic for one of the NFL's top deep threats. Trestman's explanation was the 49ers' running game was suspect, and he needed Rice for first downs in what had become a possession offense.

 

In six of the last nine games, Rice averaged under 10 yards a catch. His three 100-yard games and eight touchdowns both were the lowest totals since his rookie year, and, for the first time in his career, he didn't have a catch as long as 40 yards.

 

''I'm used to stretching downfield, making the big plays,'' Rice said. ''After you get the defense off you, you've got the underneath routes, and that's something we didn't do. I took a lot of blows, and I took a beating.

''I was very depressed, because we didn't really attack people. We didn't run that 49er offense. Not saying anything against Marc Trestman, but it was not enjoyable.''

 

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/081797/1c1rice_.html

 

Not exactly a ringing endorsement from the G.O.A.T.

Though this was nearly 20 years ago, so maybe Trestman's learned from this.

And Trestman has gone on record that we will be running Kubiak's scheme, which he will learn so he can call plays from it.

If he can manage to do that, then the transition from Kubiak to Trestman should be relatively seamless (and painless) and the offense should once again be in the top 10 or better.

[Moderator 3]

Not exactly a ringing endorsement from the G.O.A.T.

Though this was nearly 20 years ago, so maybe Trestman's learned from this.

And Trestman has gone on record that we will be running Kubiak's scheme, which he will learn so he can call plays from it.

If he can manage to do that, then the transition from Kubiak to Trestman should be relatively seamless (and painless) and the offense should once again be in the top 10 or better.

I think 20 years is enough time to learn a few lessons.

[Tru11]

Not exactly a ringing endorsement from the G.O.A.T.

Though this was nearly 20 years ago, so maybe Trestman's learned from this.

And Trestman has gone on record that we will be running Kubiak's scheme, which he will learn so he can call plays from it.

If he can manage to do that, then the transition from Kubiak to Trestman should be relatively seamless (and painless) and the offense should once again be in the top 10 or better.

 

guess rice rather had cam Cameron then trestman lol.

 

and well 20 years ago no receiver wanted to go over the middle because defenses where allowed to hit.

today its tag football so wrs aren't scared anymore so we good lol

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

guess rice rather had cam Cameron then trestman lol.

 

and well 20 years ago no receiver wanted to go over the middle because defenses where allowed to hit.

today its tag football so wrs aren't scared anymore so we good lol

 

I didnt consider that, but great point. 

 

If Rice had played in the same offense he's describing there, but in today's NFL he probably would have loved it. With all the protection afforded to offensive players he would have had the catches, not taken the beating, and probably added a ton of YAC to that total and his opinion would have been "Man I love this offense. I got my same amount of touches and yards but didnt have to do all that hard work and run all those deep routes."

[Tru11]

I didnt consider that, but great point. 

 

If Rice had played in the same offense he's describing there, but in today's NFL he probably would have loved it. With all the protection afforded to offensive players he would have had the catches, not taken the beating, and probably added a ton of YAC to that total and his opinion would have been "Man I love this offense. I got my same amount of touches and yards but didnt have to do all that hard work and run all those deep routes."

 

yeah In those days you could mug wrs to ways the hawks would be jealous off and there was no such thing as a defenseless receiver lol.

 

he would have been very happy cause he would be less fatique not running down the field the entire time and he would probably spicy up his catch and yards totals even more.

he would have drawn a lot of flags as well .

 

also tbh he sounded more like a diva thinking about himself instead of the team anyways so I would not put much into it if we are going by the team concept.

 

id actually see a guy like steve smith loving this not to mention campanaro as well.

[arnie_uk]

Running backs catch a hell of a lot of passes In his offense. I seen on RSR that the Bears running backs accounted for 25 percent of their passing yards. Ravens were 10 percent less.

running back could be a high priority in the draft.

[RavensFanMania]

Running backs catch a hell of a lot of passes In his offense. I seen on RSR that the Bears running backs accounted for 25 percent of their passing yards. Ravens were 10 percent less.

running back could be a high priority in the draft.

Yes, I'd be all for taking one in the 2nd or 3rd if they were BPA, unless Gordon falls into our laps in the first round and strong isn't available.

[The Raven]

Running backs catch a hell of a lot of passes In his offense. I seen on RSR that the Bears running backs accounted for 25 percent of their passing yards. Ravens were 10 percent less.

running back could be a high priority in the draft.

 

This could mean big things for Juice, couldn't it? I feel like Juice could have been used even more than he was this year. Maybe Trestman unlocks that potential. Who knows?

[RaineV1]

Yeah, the Ravens already have a back that's really good at catching passes out of the backfield with Juice. We really wouldn't need to draft one high for that reason.

[Inqui]

This could mean big things for Juice, couldn't it? I feel like Juice could have been used even more than he was this year. Maybe Trestman unlocks that potential. Who knows?

I was thinking something similar. He's been great for picking up first downs as it is, but it looks like Trestman runs a lot of plays where the WRs essentially clear out the CBs in a given area and a RB/FB can come out of the backfield, make a catch two yards beyond the LoS and try to run for another four or five yards.

 

Juice will still be a terrible fantasy option, but he could be even better at keeping our offence rolling than he was this past season.

[Inqui]

For those who are interested, here's his playbook from the 1998 Cardinals. Some pretty complex route trees in there, but a lot of short plays that attack different parts of the field.

[The Raven]

For those who are interested, here's his playbook from the 1998 Cardinals. Some pretty complex route trees in there, but a lot of short plays that attack different parts of the field.

 

Honestly, looks just like Kubiak's. Pretty similar stuff going on there. I love the WR clearouts to set up the tight ends/backs.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

This could mean big things for Juice, couldn't it? I feel like Juice could have been used even more than he was this year. Maybe Trestman unlocks that potential. Who knows?

He's gotta work on ball security - those 2 fumbles were both him exposing the ball and not securing it while trying to fight for extra yards. I think that contributed to his lack of opportunities.

But if he fixes that I totally agree that he could have a really big year in this offense. Trestman uses FB screens quite a bit and uses motion to exploit matchup problems.

Juice will be a nightmare to defend and could be a key piece in our offense this year. Can line up as a lead blocker in the run game, catch passes out of the backfield in the run game, and be motioned to the line as a te or into the slot. He'll provide tons of versatility to traditional running formations and help disguise what were doing pre-snap.

[edthehead]

I like the new OC hire,but did they ever have an interview

[jazz1988]

I like the new OC hire,but did they ever have an interview

 

I think they did but it just wasn't bought out to the public. I'm honestly not sure but I doubt they didn't have some form of conversation.

[allblackraven]

I like the new OC hire,but did they ever have an interview

 

 

I think they did but it just wasn't bought out to the public. I'm honestly not sure but I doubt they didn't have some form of conversation.

 

Trestman was in Baltimore the same day Gase had the evening interview.

[ravensdfan]

I'm not as optimistic as I was about the offense when Kubiak said he was returning. That is mostly because I think Trestman is an unknown factor really. Plus we're looking at some sort of adjustment period as with any change to the offense.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'd be interested in drafting the duke FB and seeing what Trestman could do from an innovation standpoint having 2 athletic FB's that are great catching the ball and have the ability to run the ball if needed.

It'd look like a run heavy formation but you could run effective screens, motion the FB's onto the line as a TE or into the slot and still have an effective passing game.

With the right personnel it'd be an interesting and versatile alignment that could really make the most of what Trestman does.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Trestman #1 priority is to learn and master the run game.   Ravens are an absolutely 100% run first team.   If he goes pass happy like he did w/ bears we are in for a disaster of a season.   His CFL passing offense might be cute, but it doesn't work here.    I have my eyes on what he will do on the run-game.   

Do not screw with what works Trestman!  

[beasy2487]

We need a dual threat running back like fish need water

[balfan23]

He's gotta work on ball security - those 2 fumbles were both him exposing the ball and not securing it while trying to fight for extra yards. I think that contributed to his lack of opportunities.

But if he fixes that I totally agree that he could have a really big year in this offense. Trestman uses FB screens quite a bit and uses motion to exploit matchup problems.

Juice will be a nightmare to defend and could be a key piece in our offense this year. Can line up as a lead blocker in the run game, catch passes out of the backfield in the run game, and be motioned to the line as a te or into the slot. He'll provide tons of versatility to traditional running formations and help disguise what were doing pre-snap.

I agree. I think ball security issues related to trying to reach for the extra yard is more easily fixed than losing the ball because people believe you don't have the arm strength and rip at you at every opportunity. He just needs to understand it is never OK to reach out with the ball unless you are at the goal and KNOW you can get it in. 

[Winchester]

I think our OL is going to be able to generate a rushing attack with any scheme. Guys like Yanda and KO are maulers that will move guys no matter. The one guy I would worry about is Zuttah, but there is some chatter that Urschel is going to take over for him anyways. Who knows if that is true, but in the end I don't think the ZBS is necessary for the running game to work.

Looks as if KO will be the left tackle. However Jensen is a mauler in the form of a young Yanda. Nasty,Strong and far more athletic than he looks. KO at left tackle is very interesting because many left tackles have athleticism and or length to run speed rushers away from the QB. Not many left tackle could crash the edge rusher inside into his teammates. Nor do many left tackles blast open openings in the run game or maul the edge rushers. KO will blend great with the guards and Urschel at center in a bruising run game that punishes the opposition and allows the ravens to run left as effective as right. So can Trestman run an offense with a run game as effective as Kubiaks as the offense gets turned more to Trestmans system. He definitely has the OLine to do it.

[ellicottraven]

I still think our best option on the O-line will be Monroe, K.O, Urshel, Yanda and Wagner with Jensen backing up the guards.

[Tru11]

nice necro

[Winchester]

I still think our best option on the O-line will be Monroe, K.O, Urshel, Yanda and Wagner with Jensen backing up the guards.

That is fine because WHEN Monroe screws up KO can slide over to tackle and Jensen can run at guard. My opinion KO could play tackle at a pro bowl level as well. Guard or tackle he will get his recognition next season as an all pro caliber mauler. Monroe is a huge what if. He now needs to get back in shape as he is below 300lbs.

[Moderator 3]

Holy old thread bump.

[edthehead]

That is fine because WHEN Monroe screws up KO can slide over to tackle and Jensen can run at guard. My opinion KO could play tackle at a pro bowl level as well. Guard or tackle he will get his recognition next season as an all pro caliber mauler. Monroe is a huge what if. He now needs to get back in shape as he is below 300lbs.

I have always said monroe is caught in real estate, he is making moves for life after the NFL,

just my thoughts.