Updated: Who Should Be Our Next OC? It's Trestman

[ravensdfan]

Marc Trestman should not be our offensive coordinator. QB coach? Offensive assistant? Offensive adviser? Ok, maybe...

 

He'll have his moments. Fans will give him time and their patience. However, once the honeymoon period ends and reality bubbles to the surface, I think everyone will begin to see why this was a bad fit. Especially, after having success under Gary Kubiak and being teased by what a real NFL offense should look like. Trestman will be a liability if he can't get the players to buy-in or if he strays from the foundation we built last year. Kubiak's genius was in his simplicity - the complete opposite of Marc Trestman; whom, will hit gold from time to time but is bound to over-think his way into a lot of costly decisions. Which will get old rather quickly.

 

As long as his duties are relegated to play calling and Joe Flacco - our offensive staff will adjust accordingly. If he oversteps his boundaries anywhere else and tries to change the recipe, this offense will regress. 

 

I'm not saying this to be pessimistic or skeptical...I'm just saying most of you here probably aren't too familiar with Trestman's schemes and coaching style - the more familiar you become well, I think the more impatient you'll grow.

 

However, the optimist in me realizes our defense will be the strength of our team moving forward and as long as we don't abandon the run heavy concept, we'll be right back in the mix of things next year. Just caution yourselves on expectation from Trestman.

 

Enjoy: Trestman's message to the Fighting Illini

 

http://youtu.be/jpXK99lgENE?t=2m25s

hahahahahahahaha

 

oh wait ...that thought is actually depressing since, yeah, no. Our defense is not a strength.

 

I'm actually a bit confused since most are saying "screens, screens and more screens" and then the LFW article said he likes the vertical game lol

Edited January 21, 2015 by ravensdfan

[The Raven]

The more I hear, the more excited I am. I'm glad we're keeping the same system, but that could just be talk. Never know, though. I expect a few wrinkles thrown in. I just hope that doesn't over-complicate things like when Caldwell added "wrinkles" to Cam's old offense.

[Guest Omerta]

So any guesses where he is going to head coach next year ?

Cleveland.

[The Raven]

I love love love the Marty Mornhinweg hire. Coached Steve Young, McNabb, Jeff Garcia, Favre, and Mike Vick to Pro Bowls. That's quite an impressive resume. He also comes from the Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren branch of the West Coast. He also coached under Steve Mariucci, another WCO guy. Might not have had success in New York, but... I mean... it's the Jets. This guy has an impressive resume, and he's coached just about every aspect of an offense. He's been RB coach, QB coach, OL coach, WR coach, and OC. I love this hire and I think he'll work great with Joe and Marc.

 

Also, I find it interesting that Marty was a colleague of John Harbaugh in Philadelphia. Marty was OC there for a few years.

[ravensnick]

I like the hires. Good jon to Ozzie. 

[allblackraven]

The best thing I've heard from Trestman is that he wants to come in here and learn what the Ravens do rather than having players learn his system.  He wants to stick with what's working.

 

Sure but that was one of the most important requirements for the new OC I would think. We were never going to change what was implemented last season to accommodate new coach, it was always going to be other way around. I also believe that Marty was higher on our list than Kyle Shannahan and Gase.

[ravensnick]

Sure but that was one of the most important requirements for the new OC I would think. We were never going to change what was implemented last season to accommodate new coach, it was always going to be other way around. I also believe that Marty was higher on our list than Kyle Shannahan and Gase.

Gase would have intriguing but I feel this was the best idea. 

[Inqui]

hahahahahahahaha

 

oh wait ...that thought is actually depressing since, yeah, no. Our defense is not a strength.

 

I'm actually a bit confused since most are saying "screens, screens and more screens" and then the LFW article said he likes the vertical game lol

From what I've read about how he adapts his game to the NFL, he uses the vertical game a fair bit as a decoy. Kinda like what we wished Cam would do every now and then. If I'm not mistaken, Jerry Rice was griping about being used as a decoy runner like that in Oakland. A Trestman staple would be where Rice (and one or two others on the same side) would run a go route and potentially set a screen upfield, while the QB would throw to a fullback spilling out of the backfield.

 

That and I wouldn't take LFW as gospel.

[Inqui]

The more I hear, the more excited I am. I'm glad we're keeping the same system, but that could just be talk. Never know, though. I expect a few wrinkles thrown in. I just hope that doesn't over-complicate things like when Caldwell added "wrinkles" to Cam's old offense.

I'm the same. I'm becoming optimistic about this hiring, and I think us having a string of serviceable receivers will be immense, but I'm just hoping he doesn't get too cute with his wrinkles and that he doesn't get too pass-happy where the situation doesn't call for it (be nice to pass out of run formations on third/fourth and short every now and then, mind).

 

And I agree on Morningwhieg (no way that's how you spell his name, but whatever). Can't come down too hard on him if he wasn't able to get much out of Geno Smith. Could well be an heir apparent after Trestman either sucks donkey feet or coaches his way to a HC role (sigh).

[Cville-Raven]

coaches his way to a HC role (sigh).

 

 

Dat Flacco coaching tree

[Inqui]

Dat Flacco coaching tree

Guy's a coach-maker. Something Brady or Peyton can't claim to be.

[callahan09]

The bit about buy-in in this post is the critical part. In Montreal he got the buy-in. In Chicago he did not. The difference was huge.

As long as Joe Flacco is QB, he'll get the buy-in. Flacco is not Jay Cutler.

[AsianRice]

The more I read about Marty and Marc; I am liking this hire more; I can't wait for 2015.  Joe is going to be his first Pro Bowl season and turn up a knot in the postseason which means he's going to be better in the postseason than last year.

[flynismo]

Marc Trestman should not be our offensive coordinator. QB coach? Offensive assistant? Offensive adviser? Ok, maybe...

 

He'll have his moments. Fans will give him time and their patience. However, once the honeymoon period ends and reality bubbles to the surface, I think everyone will begin to see why this was a bad fit. Especially, after having success under Gary Kubiak and being teased by what a real NFL offense should look like. Trestman will be a liability if he can't get the players to buy-in or if he strays from the foundation we built last year. Kubiak's genius was in his simplicity - the complete opposite of Marc Trestman; whom, will hit gold from time to time but is bound to over-think his way into a lot of costly decisions. Which will get old rather quickly.

 

As long as his duties are relegated to play calling and Joe Flacco - our offensive staff will adjust accordingly. If he oversteps his boundaries anywhere else and tries to change the recipe, this offense will regress. 

 

I'm not saying this to be pessimistic or skeptical...I'm just saying most of you here probably aren't too familiar with Trestman's schemes and coaching style - the more familiar you become well, I think the more impatient you'll grow.

 

However, the optimist in me realizes our defense will be the strength of our team moving forward and as long as we don't abandon the run heavy concept, we'll be right back in the mix of things next year. Just caution yourselves on expectation from Trestman.

 

Enjoy: Trestman's message to the Fighting Illini

 

http://youtu.be/jpXK99lgENE?t=2m25s

 

I dunno why you are getting negged for this, but I am faaar from in love with the Trestman hiring as well. I don't hate it, but, well, that may only be because I like Gase even less.

 

That being said, when you have a great QB and a quality OL, I think we'll be alright regardless of the OC.

[lgcs27288]

I dunno why you are getting negged for this, but I am faaar from in love with the Trestman hiring as well. I don't hate it, but, well, that may only be because I like Gase even less.

 

That being said, when you have a great QB and a quality OL, I think we'll be alright regardless of the OC.

It's hard to be excited for a guy a season after your previous coordinator just set offensive franchise records. Im more in hopes that he will be here for more than 1 year.

 

I think Kyle would have been a better OC but, he would be gone next year anyway. I think there were slim picking this year.

Edited January 21, 2015 by lgcs27288

[PaleoRaven]

I love love love the Marty Mornhinweg hire. Coached Steve Young, McNabb, Jeff Garcia, Favre, and Mike Vick to Pro Bowls. That's quite an impressive resume. He also comes from the Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren branch of the West Coast. He also coached under Steve Mariucci, another WCO guy. Might not have had success in New York, but... I mean... it's the Jets. This guy has an impressive resume, and he's coached just about every aspect of an offense. He's been RB coach, QB coach, OL coach, WR coach, and OC. I love this hire and I think he'll work great with Joe and Marc.

 

Also, I find it interesting that Marty was a colleague of John Harbaugh in Philadelphia. Marty was OC there for a few years.

Saying, "yeah, but he was bad with the jets" is like saying, "Yeah, but he smelled like poo when he cleaned porta-johns.

[gabefergy]

I like the hires. Good jon to Ozzie.

I think you mean good job to Harbaugh.

[Tank 92]

I dunno why you are getting negged for this, but I am faaar from in love with the Trestman hiring as well. I don't hate it, but, well, that may only be because I like Gase even less.

 

That being said, when you have a great QB and a quality OL, I think we'll be alright regardless of the OC.

 

 

Who was left that would be better?

[Inqui]

I have my doubts (like it being 12 years since he was an O.C. in the NFL) and I'm still a bit concerned on whether-or-not his version of the West Coast offense will last in the AFC North...

 

... but... I am happy about the hiring of Marc Trestman as Baltimore's offensive coordinator in 2015 (and possibly at least 2 more years, after that); mostly because the search for the next O.C. is now a thing of the past. In fact, Trestman was definitely the "safe" route (over Adam Gase).

 

I'm sure Marc Trestman will take his style and mix it with the offense Gary Kubiak ran to come-up with the best possible offense for the Ravens, next season. Obviously, Trestman will be working with a radically different offensive team (than he did with the Chicago Bears, these past 2 years); but, I'm sure he will fit the strengths and weaknesses of the unit and work-on making the offense play to their highest potential, as soon as possible.

 

I'm also really looking forward to seeing how Marc Trestman elevates Joe Flacco to an even higher level than before! If Rich Gannon was already a Pro Bowl-level quarterback BEFORE Trestman became his offensive coordinator and Gannon still ended-up having his best season with Trestman, I'm sure Flacco will benefit, massively, with his O.C. being Trestman.

I'm going to have the bejeezus negged out of me for this, but I think the AFCN's reputation as a "black and blue division" is overstated.

 

There are some nice front sevens, though at the same time the Bengals and Steelers have been taking hits recently and the Browns can't stuff the run to save themselves. Offensively, the Bengals air it out on every other play and the running game tends to be an extension of that (ie, nothing like the power game we take pride in). The Browns run it because their QB situation is... well.... but even then they've kinda gone as Brian Hoyer has gone this past season. The Steelers have Le'Veon Bell, but his true value is how he can pass protect and as a receiving threat and I'd say they're more hitched to the Ben/Brown pairing and Martavis Bryant (sadly) looks the goods too. We probably take the most pride in our running game, but even then Flacco's our identity now and the run game is more a tool to keep him clean more than anything else.

 

Don't get me wrong here, we're not the NFC South or anything. But the days of the 2000 Ravens where "offensive variety" means Jamal Lewis running through a right-hand channel instead of a left-hand one are long gone. If Trestman fails, it won't be because he can't adapt to a ground-and-pound kind of playing style.

[Alaska Alaska!]

I'm going to have the bejeezus negged out of me for this, but I think the AFCN's reputation as a "black and blue division" is overstated.

 

There are some nice front sevens, though at the same time the Bengals and Steelers have been taking hits recently and the Browns can't stuff the run to save themselves. Offensively, the Bengals air it out on every other play and the running game tends to be an extension of that (ie, nothing like the power game we take pride in). The Browns run it because their QB situation is... well.... but even then they've kinda gone as Brian Hoyer has gone this past season. The Steelers have Le'Veon Bell, but his true value is how he can pass protect and as a receiving threat and I'd say they're more hitched to the Ben/Brown pairing and Martavis Bryant (sadly) looks the goods too. We probably take the most pride in our running game, but even then Flacco's our identity now and the run game is more a tool to keep him clean more than anything else.

 

Don't get me wrong here, we're not the NFC South or anything. But the days of the 2000 Ravens where "offensive variety" means Jamal Lewis running through a right-hand channel instead of a left-hand one are long gone. If Trestman fails, it won't be because he can't adapt to a ground-and-pound kind of playing style.

I see what you're saying and I agree...but I think the foundations of these teams is to be smashmouth and blue collar; therefore, they will always desire to be that. It seems like all of the AFC North teams have been slacking in their rough and rowdy nature.  This is due to 1) Players retiring/declining and 2) More attention being placed on progressing the offense.

 

It's only a matter of time till the division gets back to being it's nasty, hard nosed self, but we may not see that for a couple of seasons from now.  

Edited January 21, 2015 by Alaska Alaska!

[allblackraven]

I see what you're saying and I agree...but I think the foundations of these teams is to be smashmouth and blue collar; therefore, they will always desire to be that. It seems like all of the AFC North teams have been slacking in their rough and rowdy nature.  This is due to 1) Players retiring/declining and 2) More attention being placed on progressing the offense.

 

It's only a matter of time till the division gets back to being it's nasty, hard nosed self, but we may not see that for a couple of seasons from now.  

 

It's just a matter of Ravens or Steelers completing the redo of the D, then the other team would be forced to do it and the rest of the North will follow.. I'm glad we look to lead the race here and if it wasn't for our bad luck with injuries in the secondary, I reckon our D would have been as smashmouth as you can get in NFL these days.

[52520Andrew]

I'm going to have the bejeezus negged out of me for this, but I think the AFCN's reputation as a "black and blue division" is overstated.

You are actually +2 right now hahaha

I don't see it as the division getting soft but more the entire league becoming less physical.

[Alaska Alaska!]

You are actually +2 right now hahaha

I don't see it as the division getting soft but more the entire league becoming less physical.

Don't view like that either.  Because it's a passing league now, physical secondaries is where it's at.  Not saying that front 7's are obsolete, but having a good front 7 isn't enough claim true physical dominance.  That's why SEA is so successful. 

[Tenacious Faulker]

Regarding Mornhinweg what I know is that he was Brett Favre's QB coach during his first Super Bowl season in 1996 (Andy Reid followed his up with the 2nd in 1997).  He left to go to a great 49ers teams with Young and Rice.  That team went 13-3.  Trestman was the OC there the year before too and was 12-4 in consecutive seasons. 

Whether they can reporduce that here is anyone's guess, but like the 1990's 49ers, the Ravens are similarly positioned for a few more seasons of double digit wins.  Shooting for another 2-3 wins per season (like the 9er's had) would be a nice goal to shoot for.

[Inqui]

You are actually +2 right now hahaha

I don't see it as the division getting soft but more the entire league becoming less physical.

Yeah, it's not about being a soft division or anything, but I think it's more about all four franchises going down a different road to the usual model of insane front sevens, good lines, a hard-hitting RB and then maybe finding a QB. It's necessary to stay competitive with the way the league is going, but at the same time I just think the pride we have as a fanbase (group of four fanbases really) in being this hard-nosed ground-and-pound kind of division is a bit off-base these days.

[52520Andrew]

Don't view like that either. Because it's a passing league now, physical secondaries is where it's at. Not saying that front 7's are obsolete, but having a good front 7 isn't enough claim true physical dominance. That's why SEA is so successful.

But even in the secondary things aren't as physical as they used to be. Things just aren't as physical as they were less than 10 years ago even. Maybe I am spoiled a bit with the Ravens D but as things become more pass happy and with the new rules, it is more about containing these high octane offenses as opposed to surviving defensive slugfests.

[Alaska Alaska!]

But even in the secondary things aren't as physical as they used to be. Things just aren't as physical as they were less than 10 years ago even. Maybe I am spoiled a bit with the Ravens D but as things become more pass happy and with the new rules, it is more about containing these high octane offenses as opposed to surviving defensive slugfests.

When you put it like that, hard to disagree with ya.  Nicely said!

[The Raven]

Who was left that would be better?

 

Exactly. There aren't any good, known quantities out there. As much as I hate the constant inbreeding of NFL coaching staffs, and as much as it would have been "sexier" to go for a college coach, Trestman was probably the best pick.

[beasy2487]

Huge fan of John's strategy in choosing staff as well. You see the older guys going for younger guys to keep them innovative, but John takes the opposite approach. Since he's (relatively) young he leans on wisdom and solves for innovation with his vision.

I think having two more former head coaches on our offensive staff is nothing but a positive. It also gives us a little edge, as our offensive will be similar but different at the same time.

Gotta bring in dual threat RB talent though.

[berad]

Trestman is very flexible in his offense from what I've heard/read so it's hopeful that he will try to get the absolute most out of our players and we won't have mismatched pieces like we did with Cameron.