Updated: Who Should Be Our Next OC? It's Trestman

[Alaska Alaska!]

Also,  

 

Sorry for the double post

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider  7m7 minutes ago

Ravens are considering hiring former Jets offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg as quarterbacks coach, sources say: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-considering-marty-mornhinweg-for-quarterbacks-coach-job-sources-say-20150121-story.html …

[jazz1988]

Really? Damn. That sucks. I still really hope we get Knapp as the QB coach though. He would be a great addition to the team. 

 

I don't if The Ravens are considering Knapp but Aaron Wilson posted on twitter that The Ravens are considering Marty Mornhinweg as their quarterback coach. 

[Hardbaugh]

Also,  

 

Sorry for the double post

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider  7m7 minutes ago

Ravens are considering hiring former Jets offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg as quarterbacks coach, sources say: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-considering-marty-mornhinweg-for-quarterbacks-coach-job-sources-say-20150121-story.html …

Sounds great. It's been proven Flacco is better when he has a QB coach.  

 

I hope Flacco continues to work on footwork .  I've complained about his game this season (of course) but give him an A grade for his season.  

 

IMO he is better selling the play fake than in the past but needs to clean up throwing off his back foot at times when it's not needed.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Hardbaugh

[callahan09]

About Trestman being the "QB whisperer"... despite everybody clamoring about what a failure the 2014 season was for Trestman, there is this: In 2014 Cutler had a career high completion percentage, career high in touchdowns, he was below his career average in interception rate, passed for the 2nd most yards in his career (most since 2008), and he had his two highest passer rating seasons in 2013 and 2014 under Trestman.

 

The problem is, Cutler just isn't a very good quarterback, and he quit on the team.  Aaron Kromer seems to be a detriment in this equation as well.  I'm really hoping (and assuming, because to me it would make no sense otherwise) that he is not brought along with Trestman.

 

And let's not forget that the defense was bottom 3 in just about every relevant category for the 2014 Bears.

 

Cutler had fumble-itis as well.  And I believe Trestman will be a better OC than HC in the NFL, and he'll have Joe Flacco instead of Jay Cutler.

 

As a result of Cutler getting in his own way, the Bears had the third highest rate of drives ending in turnovers last season.  You're going to have a bad football team and an offense that doesn't put up points when you have that awful of a defense and your QB is that turnover-prone, which Cutler has been for his entire career. This is not a new phenomon under Trestman... in fact, Cutler had 47 interceptions + fumbles in 1035 action plays (passes + sacks + rush attempts) under Trestman, while he had 158 in the 3416 action plays prior to Trestman.  That's a rate of one interception or fumble every 21.62 plays before Trestman, improved slightly to a rate of one every 22.02 players under Trestman.

 

For comparison's sake, Flacco in his career has 152 interceptions + fumbles out of 4165 action plays, for a rate of one every 27.4 plays, much better than Cutler's average. 

 

Joe's seasons by plays per turnover: 22.3, 28.5, 30.1, 26.6, 31.5, 23.0, 34.0

Jay's seasons by plays per turnover: 12.5, 21.5, 29.7, 18.0, 20.5, 25.4, 23.3, 23.4, 21.3

 

Cutler has played in 2 more seasons than Flacco, and yet Flacco already has 3 seasons with a lower turnover rate than Cutler's best season, and Cutler has only had 4 (out of 9) seasons that were better than Joe's worst season.  Joe has never had a season that's even as bad as Cutler's career average (which is one every 21.7 plays).

 

Joe had three outlier seasons (worse or better than one standard deviation from the mean), his rookie season & 2013 which were well below his average, and this year under Kubiak which was well above his career average.  Cutler has had two outlier seasons, his rookie year which was way below his average, and 2008, his one pro bowl season, where he was way above his average.

 

If we remove the outlier seasons, then for their careers they are:

 

Joe: 81 turnovers on 2352 plays = one every 29.0 plays

Jay: 169 turnovers on 3837 plays = one every 22.7 plays

 

So the difference of +5.7 plays per turnover moves to +6.3 plays per turnover when we remove the outlier seasons.

Edited January 21, 2015 by callahan09

[Static]

Nothing to cheer about but nothing to be worried about imho.

[Militant X 1]

At the moment, I'm indifferent about the Trestman hire.  Not hating it and not impressed by it either. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't if The Ravens are considering Knapp but Aaron Wilson posted on twitter that The Ravens are considering Marty Mornhinweg as their quarterback coach.

Eh, I'm not sure how I feel about it. They certainly know what they're doing though so I'll defer to them.

[jazz1988]

Trestman doesn't seem to have history when it comes to using the zone blocking scheme so I wonder if we going to stick with or not. 

[bMore Heathen]

Also,

Sorry for the double post

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 7m7 minutes ago

Ravens are considering hiring former Jets offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg as quarterbacks coach, sources say: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-considering-marty-mornhinweg-for-quarterbacks-coach-job-sources-say-20150121-story.html …

That would be a good hire imo. Another good mind in the QB room never hurts. He's well versed in the WCO. I like it.

[Denny UK]

That would be a good hire imo. Another good mind in the QB room never hurts. He's well versed in the WCO. I like it.

On the conference call right now via the ravens app, Harbs has just confirmed Marty Mornhinweg is a done deal!

[GrimCoconut]

Trestman doesn't seem to have history when it comes to using the zone blocking scheme so I wonder if we going to stick with or not.

Yeah, but Castillo is the one teaching the OL technique and he has experience as a coach and could help coordinate the ZBS to help Trestman. I hope Trestman continues what worked here with Kubiak. I think Castillo can continue the technique but it'll be up to Trestman to call the zone plays. He seems smart enough to do it.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On the conference call right now via the ravens app, Harbs has just confirmed Marty Mornhinweg is a done deal!

 

nice, part of Andy Reids staff that consistently made backup QB's look really good so they could trade for picks. I believe helped with McNabb, Jeff Garcia, AJ Feely, Mike Vicks one great year in Philly, Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles. Pretty sure he had a hand in all of them, and all except Foles showed their best when Marty was around.

 

Now im not sure how much of a role he played in it, but he was around. Andy Reid has obviously shown a knack for getting the most out of qb's but im hoping some of that rubbed off.

[eek]

no idea why anyone is jumping for joy over marty. i mean he did so good with sanchez and geno.

[jazz1988]

Yeah, but Castillo is the one teaching the OL technique and he has experience as a coach and could help coordinate the ZBS to help Trestman. I hope Trestman continues what worked here with Kubiak. I think Castillo can continue the technique but it'll be up to Trestman to call the zone plays. He seems smart enough to do it.

 

Definitely true. I heard John Harbaugh saying they will  continue run the same offensive scheme as Gary Kubiak and plan to keep the zone blocking scheme. Marc Trestman is very smart man and new quarterback Marty Mornhinweg knows a thing a two about the zone blocking scheme as well so i'm confident everything will work out fine.

[KBoum]

Well I wasnt sure about Trestman and I didnt really like the hire yesterday byt todays presser was pretty good.

 

Looks like the Ravens will stay the Ravens thats what I love. sounds good then

[ellicottraven]

After listening to their conference call this morning, I am convinced that Trestman will be absolutely ideal in Baltimore. He is low key, understands offense in a way that many others don't and is extremely adaptable to players' strengths. What more can we ask for? I expect our offense led by the inimitable January Joe to be top 5 if not higher this year both in points scored as well as yards gained. 

 

I only hope our D, especially our secondary can keep up. I don't blame Pees for our secondary woes, but for some reason, we were unable to hold off teams even when leading by a couple of TDs. In fact it happened twice in NE. Somebody has to answer for that somehow... hopefully next year our D keeps improving.

[jazz1988]

no idea why anyone is jumping for joy over marty. i mean he did so good with sanchez and geno.

 

Sanchez actually didn't get the opportunity to play under Marty because he received a season ending injury during the preseason. I don't know what went wrong with Geno Smith but he did fall out of the first round for a reason in 2013 . He did end the season off quite well in his last game against The Dolphins in which he had 358 passing yards and 3 touchdowns

[PolishRifle]

Jamison Hensley ‏@jamisonhensley

Harbaugh said blocking scheme will remain the same with Trestman. He said "that's part of us going forward."

 

Good to hear.

[jdynamite]

I just hope, he does a good job and stays with the organization long term, Flacco went from 1 coordinator ( Cam Cameron ) for the better part of 5 season with an assortment of QB coaches during that time. To now 4 OC in the 3 seasons.

Makes me wish even more than we could have gotten Norv Turner last year.... Because he has failed as a HC multiple times and hopefully knows he's a better OC once and for all.

[rmw10]

The best thing I've heard from Trestman is that he wants to come in here and learn what the Ravens do rather than having players learn his system.  He wants to stick with what's working.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Sanchez actually didn't get the opportunity to play under Marty because he received a season ending injury during the preseason. I don't know what went wrong with Geno Smith but he did fall out of the first round for a reason in 2013 . He did end the season off quite well in his last game against The Dolphins in which he had 358 passing yards and 3 touchdowns

Some QBs aren't meant to do well anyway

[stopyellingatthetv]

I liked his press conference but I did have a concern with it when he said that he "learns" the previous coordinators scheme if it has been successful and then fully takes it over the next year. Could this be why he has a drop off in production in year two? It's not huge, the dropoff but you can see it. I have faith in Harbaugh to make sure that Trestman is successful but it's something that stood out to me as I was listening to him. 

[The Mom Gene]

I liked his press conference but I did have a concern with it when he said that he "learns" the previous coordinators scheme if it has been successful and then fully takes it over the next year. Could this be why he has a drop off in production in year two? It's not huge, the dropoff but you can see it. I have faith in Harbaugh to make sure that Trestman is successful but it's something that stood out to me as I was listening to him. 

Not sure how that equates to not being successful the next year....  I got that he KEEPS Kubiak's offense...  If it's successful, he continues to use it the next year...  if it's not successful, THATS when he takes over.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I liked his press conference but I did have a concern with it when he said that he "learns" the previous coordinators scheme if it has been successful and then fully takes it over the next year. Could this be why he has a drop off in production in year two? It's not huge, the dropoff but you can see it. I have faith in Harbaugh to make sure that Trestman is successful but it's something that stood out to me as I was listening to him. 

 

When he went into Cleveland, they went to playoffs year 1 and super bowl year 2.

 

I think the same happened in Oakland. I dont think this 2nd year drop off has any truth to it... it may have happened once or twice but he's also shown improvement year 2 at other stops.

[stopyellingatthetv]

Not sure how that equates to not being successful the next year....  I got that he KEEPS Kubiak's offense...  If it's successful, he continues to use it the next year...  if it's not successful, THATS when he takes over.

I'm just wondering if he's making (or not making) the necessary adjustments, different personnel, or what others factors would make it so that he consistently drops off statistically year two. 

[PurpleCity5]

It's good to hear they're keeping the ZBS. Man, if Eugene can bounce back our O-Line can seriously be great. All in all, great fit. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[stopyellingatthetv]

When he went into Cleveland, they went to playoffs year 1 and super bowl year 2.

 

I think the same happened in Oakland. I dont think this 2nd year drop off has any truth to it... it may have happened once or twice but he's also shown improvement year 2 at other stops.

I hope not...I do think that he will be successful and if we can keep up our o-line consistency with the front 7 and Castillo, we'll be good. 

[K-Dog]

So any guesses where he is going to head coach next year ?

[0_o]

Marc Trestman should not be our offensive coordinator. QB coach? Offensive assistant? Offensive adviser? Ok, maybe...

 

He'll have his moments. Fans will give him time and their patience. However, once the honeymoon period ends and reality bubbles to the surface, I think everyone will begin to see why this was a bad fit. Especially, after having success under Gary Kubiak and being teased by what a real NFL offense should look like. Trestman will be a liability if he can't get the players to buy-in or if he strays from the foundation we built last year. Kubiak's genius was in his simplicity - the complete opposite of Marc Trestman; whom, will hit gold from time to time but is bound to over-think his way into a lot of costly decisions. Which will get old rather quickly.

 

As long as his duties are relegated to play calling and Joe Flacco - our offensive staff will adjust accordingly. If he oversteps his boundaries anywhere else and tries to change the recipe, this offense will regress. 

 

I'm not saying this to be pessimistic or skeptical...I'm just saying most of you here probably aren't too familiar with Trestman's schemes and coaching style - the more familiar you become well, I think the more impatient you'll grow.

 

However, the optimist in me realizes our defense will be the strength of our team moving forward and as long as we don't abandon the run heavy concept, we'll be right back in the mix of things next year. Just caution yourselves on expectation from Trestman.

 

Enjoy: Trestman's message to the Fighting Illini

 

http://youtu.be/jpXK99lgENE?t=2m25s

Edited January 21, 2015 by 0_o

[watter]

Marc Trestman should not be our offensive coordinator. QB coach? Offensive assistant? Offensive adviser? Ok, maybe...

 

He'll have his moments. Fans will give him time and their patience. However, once the honeymoon period ends and reality bubbles to the surface, I think everyone will begin to see why this was a bad fit. Especially, after having success under Gary Kubiak and being teased by what a real NFL offense should look like. Trestman will be a liability if he can't get the players to buy-in or if he strays from the foundation we built last year. Kubiak's genius was in his simplicity - the complete opposite of Marc Trestman; whom, will hit gold from time to time but is bound to over-think his way into a lot of costly decisions. Which will get old rather quickly.

 

As long as his duties are relegated to play calling and Joe Flacco - our offensive staff will adjust accordingly. If he oversteps his boundaries anywhere else and tries to change the recipe, this offense will regress. 

 

I'm not saying this to be pessimistic or skeptical...I'm just saying most of you here probably aren't too familiar with Trestman's schemes and coaching style - the more familiar you become well, I think the more impatient you'll grow.

 

However, the optimist in me realizes our defense will be the strength of our team moving forward and as long as we don't abandon the run heavy concept, we'll be right back in the mix of things next year. Just caution yourselves on expectation from Trestman.

 

Enjoy: Trestman's message to the Fighting Illini

 

http://youtu.be/jpXK99lgENE?t=2m25s

 

The bit about buy-in in this post is the critical part.  In Montreal he got the buy-in.  In Chicago he did not.  The difference was huge.