Updated: Who Should Be Our Next OC? It's Trestman

[Gordo52]

1a. Dennison

1b. Trestman

2. Pariani

3. Shanahan

[52520Andrew]

Gase is looking for a HC opportunity.

Besides, did you see what Josh McCrown did during his time in Chicago? That was all Trestman, it's just that the Bears are a complete dumpster fire, with Jay Cutler at the healm.

Why not as well? Baltimore is a better situation than Cleveland or Oakland.

How many openings are left though? Pretty much just Atlanta and there are multiple candidates for that job right now.

I wouldn't mind him but at the same time the Bears imploded this season on offense. You. Can put a lot of it on Cutler but Trestman at least takes part of the blame. I wouldn't mind him due to the 2013 success but my expectations wouldn't be as high as if Kubiak were staying.

[KBoum]

1a. Dennison

1b. Trestman

2. Pariani

3. Shanahan

 

I saw a lot of Trestman football in the CFL and let me tell you this : thats soft football. Really not AFC North

 

I would prefer Shanahan with his run first philosophy. and maybe he could bring Terrance West a Baltimore native with him for a low draft pick.

[D-Rey]

I saw a lot of Trestman football in the CFL and let me tell you this : thats soft football. Really not AFC North

 

I would prefer Shanahan with his run first philosophy. and maybe he could bring Terrance West a Baltimore native with him for a low draft pick.

Not going to happen unfortunately lol

[izvoodoo]

Does Trestman run the Zone Blocking scheme?  Because I think that's really good for our guys.

[rafahash]

Chudzinski would certainly be a great choice, but for some reason I don't think he's in our shortlist for a OC.

Edited January 16, 2015 by rafahash

[The Mom Gene]

Ladies and Gentlemen......  the thread is about Marc Trestman...  We are not discussing our replacement for O.C. at this point...  Can we please stay on topic and not hijack the thread into an O.C. conversation.

[RavensFanMania]

Does Trestman run the Zone Blocking scheme?  Because I think that's really good for our guys.

yes, he runs a zbs with a more pass oriented i.e. Mike McCarthy system.  Shanahan is the same system, not saying it's better but it would be the same verbiage for both being it is a wco.

[The Raven]

Trestman is a cutesy, pass happy coordinator who has only found success in the CFL. He's not a good option.

[Bltravens]

Trestman is a cutesy, pass happy coordinator who has only found success in the CFL. He's not a good option.

This, as a Canadian I watched Trestman torch the CFL for like 5 years straight and 4 Grey Cups or something stupid, but he does not have the offence we want in Baltimore. Kyle Shanahan is a better option.

[KBoum]

Trestman is a cutesy, pass happy coordinator who has only found success in the CFL. He's not a good option.

 

and with a QB that had a very quick decision making skill. Calvillo wasnt a canon arm or that accurate but could progress really fast into his reads. and a CFL field is so large and long...

 

so horrible to watch to be honest but you can find windows pretty easy with a larger and longer field. A lot easier in the red zone.

 

I don't think the quick decision making is one of Flaccos biggest asset to be honest. and Trestman is a strange playcaller and a soft coach. I would recommend him to be a passing game assistant or QB coach anytime

 

but to run an offense or a team.... I don't think he's a good fit for the Ravens in the AFC North.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I really like Mark Trestman and feel like he runs high powered offenses. Now if Trestman could successfully run this system we have I feel like we would consider him. Problem is he will want to run his own style of offense, and I doubt Ozzie and Harbaugh want to install a third style of offense in 2 years. We will probably hire someone familiar with Kubiaks system and look to keep the momentum going. Mike Shannahan, Lane Kiffen, Adam Gase, and Greg Knapp are better suited

[TDubbs]

This, as a Canadian I watched Trestman torch the CFL for like 5 years straight and 4 Grey Cups or something stupid, but he does not have the offence we want in Baltimore. Kyle Shanahan is a better option.

 

I'm with ya there. I saw a number of Alouettes games in person while Trestman was there. His passing game was certainly aided by a larger field, also the fact he had the CFL equivalent of Manning in Calvillo. 

[paulhs94]

I don't want Gase. He is a good offensive coordinator no doubt, but he was looking to become a head coach this offseason. That means that if we hire him, he will be another one year rental like Kubiak and we will be searching for another OC next offseason. We need someone who wants to stay in Baltimore, not leave as soon as the season is over.

[The Raven]

People think Gase is a bad candidate? Why? 

 

The Broncos were 4th in yards per game (402.9), 4th in yards per play (6.0), 2nd in points (30 a game), 4th in passing yards (4,661), 5th in yards per passing attempt (7.9), 15th in rushing (1,785), and 20th in YPC (4.0). Those are great numbers. The rushing numbers are a little low, but that's what happens when you have a bad run blocking line and a HOF quarterback. That offense was dynamite.

 

But going after Gase is scraping the bottom of the barrel, right?

[rmcjacket23]

People think Gase is a bad candidate? Why? 

 

The Broncos were 4th in yards per game (402.9), 4th in yards per play (6.0), 2nd in points (30 a game), 4th in passing yards (4,661), 5th in yards per passing attempt (7.9), 15th in rushing (1,785), and 20th in YPC (4.0). Those are great numbers. The rushing numbers are a little low, but that's what happens when you have a bad run blocking line and a HOF quarterback. That offense was dynamite.

 

But going after Gase is scraping the bottom of the barrel, right?

I don't know if he will be good or bad.

 

He's the OC of a Peyton Manning led offense. There's always a question mark there, because Peyton makes so many adjustments at the line, its hard to tell who is actually in control.

[Tank 92]

I don't want Gase. He is a good offensive coordinator no doubt, but he was looking to become a head coach this offseason. That means that if we hire him, he will be another one year rental like Kubiak and we will be searching for another OC next offseason. We need someone who wants to stay in Baltimore, not leave as soon as the season is over.

 

 

truth is if they are proven to be good, there's always a chance they will leave for a promotion to HC. You would have to take a chance on a young, unproven upstart to have it any different. Are the Ravens likely to do that at this point?  Probably not given that they have a great core that can compete in the tournament now without a lot of roster changes.

[Dubs]

I don't know if he will be good or bad.

 

He's the OC of a Peyton Manning led offense. There's always a question mark there, because Peyton makes so many adjustments at the line, its hard to tell who is actually in control.

 

I will add some may be hesitant with an old Manning OC as we have experienced that before with Caldwell and the results were not pretty...

 

However, I am all for bringing in Gase. I think he is very good at scheming players open. I do wish we could get a guy long term but even if we went the "unknown" or "old person" route and we did well, which we all want, they would likely be gone. My only request is to keep the ZBS and have a solid attention to the run 

[paulhs94]

truth is if they are proven to be good, there's always a chance they will leave for a promotion to HC. You would have to take a chance on a young, unproven upstart to have it any different. Are the Ravens likely to do that at this point? Probably not given that they have a great core that can compete in the tournament now without a lot of roster changes.

True, but don't you think the FO wants continuity with the OC? I'm sure they don't want to have to find a new OC every offseason. Sure, we are in a good position to make a run at the SB for this season and the forseeable future, but that doesn't mean we should get a new OC every season. If Gase comes in we would be learning a whole new scheme, and that might hurt us offensively. We had some growing pains earlier in the season with Kubiak's ZBS scheme, and we would have similar struggles learning an all new offensive scheme. I think that our team is good enough to take a chance on a relatively unknown OC. We have the playmakers on offense to do so.

Edited January 19, 2015 by paulhs94

[Tank 92]

True, but don't you think the FO wants continuity with the OC? I'm sure they don't want to have to find a new OC every offseason. Sure, we are in a good position to make a run at the SB next season, but that doesn't mean we should get a new OC every season. If Gase comes in we would be learning a whole new scheme, and that might hurt us offensively. We had some growing pains earlier in the season with Kubiak's ZBS scheme, and we would have struggles learning an all new offensive scheme. I think that our team is good enough to take a chance on a relatively unknown OC. We have the playmakers on offense to do so.

 

 

Good point, I don't disagree. I just don't think they take the chance at this point.  They will do their best to bring in a proven OC that runs a scheme similar to what was used last year. 

[PurpleCity5]

As good as the other candidates are, people need to know that learning a whole new scheme is tough. It also can hold back from a players development and we can't waste Flacco's prime years by doing this. We need a guy that's going to continue the same scheme and tradition. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

People think Gase is a bad candidate? Why? 

 

The Broncos were 4th in yards per game (402.9), 4th in yards per play (6.0), 2nd in points (30 a game), 4th in passing yards (4,661), 5th in yards per passing attempt (7.9), 15th in rushing (1,785), and 20th in YPC (4.0). Those are great numbers. The rushing numbers are a little low, but that's what happens when you have a bad run blocking line and a HOF quarterback. That offense was dynamite.

 

But going after Gase is scraping the bottom of the barrel, right?

Some(including myself) are concerned that he'll be another Jim Caldwell. Peyton might've ran that offense.

 

It's a risk, but one I'm ok with taking. I'm concerned no doubt, but I think he could potentially be good.

[The Raven]

I don't know if he will be good or bad.

 

He's the OC of a Peyton Manning led offense. There's always a question mark there, because Peyton makes so many adjustments at the line, its hard to tell who is actually in control.

 

Some(including myself) are concerned that he'll be another Jim Caldwell. Peyton might've ran that offense.

 

It's a risk, but one I'm ok with taking. I'm concerned no doubt, but I think he could potentially be good.

 

That's a fair concern. That also worries me, but I do think this season showed what Gase can do. The Broncos made a distinctive shift to running the ball more halfway through the season. That's an adjustment made by Gase. 

 

My primary concern with Gase is that he would over-complicate the offense, just like Caldwell did. Flacco and others have said Caldwell's offense was way too complex. Hopefully not the same for Gase.

[paulhs94]

That's a fair concern. That also worries me, but I do think this season showed what Gase can do. The Broncos made a distinctive shift to running the ball more halfway through the season. That's an adjustment made by Gase. 

 

My primary concern with Gase is that he would over-complicate the offense, just like Caldwell did. Flacco and others have said Caldwell's offense was way too complex. Hopefully not the same for Gase.

After the Broncos made that shift, they crashed and burned completely. They lost to teams they should've beat, and it ultimately resulted in them losing in the playoffs. If we hire him, I don't want that to happen to our offense.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

That's a fair concern. That also worries me, but I do think this season showed what Gase can do. The Broncos made a distinctive shift to running the ball more halfway through the season. That's an adjustment made by Gase. 

 

My primary concern with Gase is that he would over-complicate the offense, just like Caldwell did. Flacco and others have said Caldwell's offense was way too complex. Hopefully not the same for Gase.

Oh god.. Hopefully not. I'm an in house promotion advocate. Still think Hammock could do it.. But Gase shouldn't be too bad if he keeps the ZBS in place. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

After the Broncos made that shift, they crashed and burned completely. They lost to teams they should've beat, and it ultimately resulted in them losing in the playoffs. If we hire him, I don't want that to happen to our offense.

They crashed and burned cause they play no one all year, and Peyton did get hurt/age caught up to him.

 

I don't think he was the problem.

[rmcjacket23]

That's a fair concern. That also worries me, but I do think this season showed what Gase can do. The Broncos made a distinctive shift to running the ball more halfway through the season. That's an adjustment made by Gase. 

 

My primary concern with Gase is that he would over-complicate the offense, just like Caldwell did. Flacco and others have said Caldwell's offense was way too complex. Hopefully not the same for Gase.

Yeah, for me, its actually quite simple...

 

There's nobody out there available that is going to come in and run the exact same offense. We aren't getting a Kubiak-style offense without Kubiak. Anybody we bring in is going to adapt, change, tweak, etc. anything that was previously here.

 

Having said that, I'm just hiring the best guy we think is available for us, regardless of scheme. If we think Gase is a future stud coordinator, we hire him. If he changes things, so be it. There's nothing about this team's personnel that is dependent on any particular scheme... we could have new RBs, new WRs in the near future, new TEs, etc., and we've got offensive line personnel that have played in multiple different "blocking" schemes and have looked pretty good in them.

 

If we are going to handicap ourselves to Kubiak's scheme only, we are likely to hire somebody who probably isn't nearly as good at it, the offense struggles because of it, and we start over against with another OC later.

 

I'd rather hire somebody that might leave than to hire somebody based on trying to keep a scheme that we likely can't duplicate anyway...

[paulhs94]

While I don't really care for Gase being our OC, I think it's more likely that he comes here rather than go to Jacksonville. The Jags are rebuilding and they will want an OC who will stay in place for a few years. With us, however, we would be able to get Gase a HC opportunity which he would probably jump at.

[The Raven]

After the Broncos made that shift, they crashed and burned completely. They lost to teams they should've beat, and it ultimately resulted in them losing in the playoffs. If we hire him, I don't want that to happen to our offense.

 

I think he was limited by personnel. Also, the running game was not the problem in the playoff loss. Manning couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

[PeRK82]

Im leaning toward ADAM GASE, Really isnt anyone else left.

Either him or Trestman.

 

You can not blame it all on Trestman for Cutlers serious faults. Trestman may be a supposed genius, BUT you cant fix stupid.