Updated: Who Should Be Our Next OC? It's Trestman

[allblackraven]

Who was it that suggested reading the comments of NFL.com?

 

 

Madness and stupidity.

 

I wish he said "should have went" earlier. I just stop reading every time I see that.

[BSHU_Miami]

http://blogs.thescore.com/nfl/2013/12/11/how-marc-trestman-went-from-quarterback-whisperer-to-offensive-innovator/

Good read, breaks down a few plays, one actually against us two years ago.

I saw the words crossing patterns and crapped my pants....I'm sold

[Purple Punishment]

Who was it that suggested reading the comments of NFL.com?

Madness and stupidity.

I read that but couldn't respond because I don't have a facebook. I guess our playoff runs, championship games, super bowl title is indicative of us bringing in losers...

[ravensdfan]

I read that but couldn't respond because I don't have a facebook. I guess our playoff runs, championship games, super bowl title is indicative of us bringing in losers...

Some of the comments are nice....then they degrade some.

[ravensdfan]

We ran a dink and dunk last year and if not for injuries in the secondary, would probably be in the super bowl right now. We lose Torrey, who's not really that suited for a dink and dunk offense... 

 

We can run it. Our offense was not the problem this past season.. We should pick up a #1 WR, but if we pick up a few quality weapons we'll be fine. 

Torrey is not suited for it that's true but can't really say he won't be back next season. Who do you see as the receiving threat at RB though?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Torrey is not suited for it that's true but can't really say he won't be back next season. Who do you see as the receiving threat at RB though?

Forsett will probably return for cheap and he's pretty good at that.

Have a feeling we draft a RB as well. Lorenzo had good hands coming out of college

[ravensdfan]

Forsett will probably return for cheap and he's pretty good at that.

Have a feeling we draft a RB as well. Lorenzo had good hands coming out of college

eh not sure Forsett is all that much of a receiving threat. Not saying he doesn't do it, but not seeing him as a strong receiving threat like would be needed.

[Inqui]

eh not sure Forsett is all that much of a receiving threat. Not saying he doesn't do it, but not seeing him as a strong receiving threat like would be needed.

Josh Robinson from Mississippi State.

 

Sorry, I'll come off that soapbox for now.

[GrimCoconut]

Josh Robinson from Mississippi State.

 

Sorry, I'll come off that soapbox for now.

He's a good one, too. Him, Coleman, Cobb or Allen would be my picks for a draft RB. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

eh not sure Forsett is all that much of a receiving threat. Not saying he doesn't do it, but not seeing him as a strong receiving threat like would be needed.

Forsett is a capable reciever. 44 receptions, 5 less than Torrey. We can probably draft a Gurley who's good at it as well.

Trestman isn't bad. We ran a dink and dunk last year. We should be fine. He's not as good as Kubiak but he has a good offensive mind

[jazz1988]

So I wonder who our qb coach and te coach going to be? I guess we could always sign the coaches that worked with Trestman last year.

[JoeyFlex5]

Torrey is not suited for it that's true but can't really say he won't be back next season. Who do you see as the receiving threat at RB though?

tj yeldon in the 2nd round 

[The Raven]

So I wonder who our qb coach and te coach going to be? I guess we could always sign the coaches that worked with Trestman last year.

 

That's a good guess, but I'm hoping not. I'd prefer some young guys from the college ranks. Trestman is a little old and we could use some youth there. This would help with 1: Getting fresh, new ideas and 2: Building a system for the future.

Edited January 21, 2015 by The Raven

[GrimCoconut]

That's a good guess, but I'm hoping not. I'd prefer some young guys from the college ranks. Trestman is a little old and we could use some youth there. This would help with 1: Getting fresh, new ideas and 2: Building a system for the future.

I'm still pulling for Knapp as QB coach and Barone as TE coach, although I wouldn't mind Rob Reeves TE coach from Minnesota, especially if we get Maxx Williams. 

[The Raven]

Maybe it's just a coincidence, and maybe I'm reading WAY too far into this, but I find it interesting that Trestman has never lasted more than three years in a position, and we sign him to a three year deal. We'll see what happens when more assistants are hired, but I could see Trestman being here two years, getting fired/leaving, and then we promote a young assistant to OC.

[jazz1988]

I'm still pulling for Knapp as QB coach and Barone as TE coach, although I wouldn't mind Rob Reeves TE coach from Minnesota, especially if we get Maxx William

 

We could get Knapp and that may be a good idea since Knapp has some history with Trestman but I saw Gary Kubiak plans to keep Barone on his staff as the offensive line coach.

[Tenacious Faulker]

Siefert is from the wals coaching tree, but Shanahan changed the reads to look long before short passes. Thus the Kubiak and Shanahan branches of the WCO are a bit different. Most important is the verbiage is the same.

I don;t see the difference between what I said and what you said.  They from the same tree.  They're similar.  What?

[nyc9192]

didn't the Raiders beat the Rams in ah............

Nah.The year the Gannon won the mvp was the year they got smacked by the bucs in the Superbowl lol

[Maryland]

Denial: There is no way Kubiak would leave the Ravens. He probably already knew about the Denver job when he made his statement about staying with the Ravens

 

Anger: &%$! you Kubiak! You said you wanted to build something special! 

 

Bargaining: It's okay, maybe he'll leave us Dennison. He can continue the system and everything will be okay. 

 

Depression: Oh no, Kubiak is taking Dennison with him. All hope is lost. Now we'll have to come crawling back to Jim Hostler :cry:

 

Acceptance: It's alright, we've got Marc Trestman now! He helped set franchise records with the Raiders and Bears. Gary who? 

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Denial: There is no way Kubiak would leave the Ravens. He probably already knew about the Denver job when he made his statement about staying with the Ravens

Anger: &%$! you Kubiak! You said you wanted to build something special!

Bargaining: It's okay, maybe he'll leave us Dennison. He can continue the system and everything will be okay.

Depression: Oh no, Kubiak is taking Dennison with him. All hope is lost. Now we'll have to come crawling back to Jim Hostler :cry:

Acceptance: It's alright, we've got Marc Trestman now! He helped set franchise records with the Raiders and Bears. Gary who?

Lol pretty much.....

[HoldingCall]

I was hoping Gase w/ a package deal of D. Thomas. 

 

Oh well, welcome aboard Trestman!!

My first choice was Kyle Shanahan (last year too). After Atlanta hired him I went into limbo. I didn't know enough about Trestman or Gase to form an opinion either way.

[edthehead]

who is our QB and TE  coach, any info

[TDubbs]

I think the league sometimes expects too much from a HC, in terms of handling specific players. Chicago brought him in to get Cutler to realize his potential. Wrong job. You need a QB coach or maybe an OC to do that. An HC has a billion things to worry with and they are not in a position to micro-manage specific players. 

 

By all accounts, he is innovative, as you have stated, and is in the proper position to utilize that skill. Also, maybe, just maybe, he will be both successful and realize that being an OC is the job he is meant to do and sticks with it. 

 

The league/fans definitely expect too much from a HC in those situations. Its like Jimmy Johnson said, being a HC you have to connect with everybody in that building everyday, maintain relationships and push buttons when needed. You can't focus solely on one thing. That is what Harbaugh is great at. 

 

So now Trestman gets to focus only on his offense. Another thing that may not be mentioned is his personality. Trestman seems like a calm, mild mannered guy. I think that pace will mesh really nicely with Flacco and they'll have a good working relationship. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Just don't think the dink & dunk is something we execute very well and doesn't really play to Flacco's arm strength either.

 

One of the main complaints at the beginning of this past season was that the vertical game was gone. It came back but really don't like this starting from scratch stuff again at all.

 

 

I dont see this as starting from scratch. His offense is based on WC philosophy and studied under Bill Walsh. 

 

From a lot of what I've been reading, one of the most common compliments ive seen is how adaptable Trestman is. While he's got his core philosophy, he's been excellent at identifying the strengths of the personnel and creating a scheme that exploits match ups and what they do best.

 

On the screen game too, while im not a huge fan myself, hes versatile with his screens. Gets FB's involved quite a bit in the passing game which should benefit us since I think Juice is a weapon we've far underutilized to this point. He's gotta work on fumbles, but he can be a real weapon for us in Trestman's offense.

 

Plus he's a master at using motion and WR formations to force defenses into the coverage he wants, and then developing route concepts that pick, rub or simply scheme players open. We need that since none of our guys seem all that great at beating man coverage at the line. Camp should thrive in this offense and could have a serious breakout year.

 

Reliable hands are huge in this offense, so I can see Marlon and Aiken have increased roles and really excelling under Trestman. Pitta if healthy will take a step forward. 

 

And I think bc of Trestman we're even more likely to pick up a legit, big bodied WR by moving up in the 1st rd or through FA. Maybe Marshall gets cut and is tempted to come here to follow the success he had under Trestman in 2013. If not, we'll make something else happen.

 

And most importantly, Trestman will get the absolute best out of Flacco. He'll have another career year. Completion percentage will be by far the highest of his career, I think he'll have his highest yardage total, most TD's and around the same # of interceptions as he did this year.

 

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And I know the big concern around here is what happens with the run game. Dont worry. The personnel is all staying the same and know Kubiaks run offense. They know the blocking scheme. Castillo knows it. The rb's coach knows it. The players know it. Castillo will continue to teach and implement that, and Trestman will simply call the plays we already know and run well - he'll just run them out of formations that work with his passing offense.

 

I think the run game takes a minor drop off, but only because the question mark as to who our number one back will be. I dont think its fair to expect even if we get Forsett back for him to do what he did last year. But it will have similar success, just the passing game will be more efficient.

 

No complaints here.

[GrimCoconut]

Denial: There is no way Kubiak would leave the Ravens. He probably already knew about the Denver job when he made his statement about staying with the Ravens

 

Anger: &%$! you Kubiak! You said you wanted to build something special! 

 

Bargaining: It's okay, maybe he'll leave us Dennison. He can continue the system and everything will be okay. 

 

Depression: Oh no, Kubiak is taking Dennison with him. All hope is lost. Now we'll have to come crawling back to Jim Hostler :cry:

 

Acceptance: It's alright, we've got Marc Trestman now! He helped set franchise records with the Raiders and Bears. Gary who? 

I see you know DABDA. Kudos. 

[GrimCoconut]

We could get Knapp and that may be a good idea since Knapp has some history with Trestman but I saw Gary Kubiak plans to keep Barone on his staff as the offensive line coach.

Really? Damn. That sucks. I still really hope we get Knapp as the QB coach though. He would be a great addition to the team. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Who was it that suggested reading the comments of NFL.com?

 

 

Madness and stupidity.

 LOL that comment is HILARIOUS - that poster failed to mention that in 2008 we went to the AFCCG, then with Caldwell won the Super Bowl, and then with Kubiak had one of the most efficient offenses in the league, had the Patriots beat and should be in the Super Bowl again. 

 

Not to mention that all those "losers" aside from Cameron moved on from being our OC to get HC gigs and are having immense success. 

 

Some people are just plain stupid - and you cant fix that.

[watter]

New member here and I thought I'd pop in to provide some info on your new OC.

 

I'm a CFL guy and I followed the Bears when Trestman took over to see how he would do there.

 

In Chicago Trestman was over his head as he was trying to manage a dysfunctional team using the same methods that worked in Montreal.  Unfortunately for him, the inmates ended up running the show. 

 

Basic problems in Chicago:

• Lovie Smith loyalists on the team undermined Trestman
• Some of the position coaches and coordinators were not the best (being charitable here)
• Defence was poor and a solution was never found
• Cutler is pretty well uncoachable.  We only have to look at how well McCowan did when he took over to see the difference.
• As the second season wore on, his play calling became very predictable and limited in scope
• The team loaded up on free agents the second year and they never lived up to their pay grade
• And the big one, Cutler's ridiculous contract which I believe set the team up for faliure in the second year

 

Trestman's tendencies:

• Very pass happy, even by CFL standards
• Subject to weird play calling on occasion
• Occasionally goes high risk when the situation does not warrant it
• Seems to prefer going unconventional in the Red Zone (worked in the CFL, didn't work in the NFL)
• Can be very imaginative, but needs the players to execute (worked in Montreal, failed in Chicago)
• He can play dink and dunk, but he will go long (at least he did in Montreal)
• He needs a QB who can learn and be willing to work within the system (e.g. Calvillo, not Cutler)
• Does not deal with disaster well (never faced it in Montreal, plenty of it in Chicago)
• Works best with a QB who is a game manager rather than a gunslinger

Montreal was a great situation for him and the team prospered. Chicago was the opposite and he wasn't the blood 'n' guts type of guy to get a grip on the situation.  His offence there in the second year was more the product of circumstance.  His first year Bears offence was more indicative of what he can do, especially when McCowan was running the team.  Had the Bears D shown up for some of those games, McCowan probably would've gone 5 and 0.

[The Mom Gene]

New member here and I thought I'd pop in to provide some info on your new OC.

 

I'm a CFL guy and I followed the Bears when Trestman took over to see how he would do there.

 

In Chicago Trestman was over his head as he was trying to manage a dysfunctional team using the same methods that worked in Montreal.  Unfortunately for him, the inmates ended up running the show. 

 

Basic problems in Chicago:

• Lovie Smith loyalists on the team undermined Trestman
• Some of the position coaches and coordinators were not the best (being charitable here)
• Defence was poor and a solution was never found
• Cutler is pretty well uncoachable.  We only have to look at how well McCowan did when he took over to see the difference.
• As the second season wore on, his play calling became very predictable and limited in scope
• The team loaded up on free agents the second year and they never lived up to their pay grade
• And the big one, Cutler's ridiculous contract which I believe set the team up for faliure in the second year

 

Trestman's tendencies:

• Very pass happy, even by CFL standards
• Subject to weird play calling on occasion
• Occasionally goes high risk when the situation does not warrant it
• Seems to prefer going unconventional in the Red Zone (worked in the CFL, didn't work in the NFL)
• Can be very imaginative, but needs the players to execute (worked in Montreal, failed in Chicago)
• He can play dink and dunk, but he will go long (at least he did in Montreal)
• He needs a QB who can learn and be willing to work within the system (e.g. Calvillo, not Cutler)
• Does not deal with disaster well (never faced it in Montreal, plenty of it in Chicago)
• Works best with a QB who is a game manager rather than a gunslinger

Montreal was a great situation for him and the team prospered. Chicago was the opposite and he wasn't the blood 'n' guts type of guy to get a grip on the situation.  His offence there in the second year was more the product of circumstance.  His first year Bears offence was more indicative of what he can do, especially when McCowan was running the team.  Had the Bears D shown up for some of those games, McCowan probably would've gone 5 and 0.

Welp???  We'll have to see.....  Hmmm...  Could be an interesting project.

[Alaska Alaska!]

New member here and I thought I'd pop in to provide some info on your new OC.

 

I'm a CFL guy and I followed the Bears when Trestman took over to see how he would do there.

 

In Chicago Trestman was over his head as he was trying to manage a dysfunctional team using the same methods that worked in Montreal.  Unfortunately for him, the inmates ended up running the show. 

 

Basic problems in Chicago:

• Lovie Smith loyalists on the team undermined Trestman
• Some of the position coaches and coordinators were not the best (being charitable here)
• Defence was poor and a solution was never found
• Cutler is pretty well uncoachable.  We only have to look at how well McCowan did when he took over to see the difference.
• As the second season wore on, his play calling became very predictable and limited in scope
• The team loaded up on free agents the second year and they never lived up to their pay grade
• And the big one, Cutler's ridiculous contract which I believe set the team up for faliure in the second year

 

Trestman's tendencies:

• Very pass happy, even by CFL standards
• Subject to weird play calling on occasion
• Occasionally goes high risk when the situation does not warrant it
• Seems to prefer going unconventional in the Red Zone (worked in the CFL, didn't work in the NFL)
• Can be very imaginative, but needs the players to execute (worked in Montreal, failed in Chicago)
• He can play dink and dunk, but he will go long (at least he did in Montreal)
• He needs a QB who can learn and be willing to work within the system (e.g. Calvillo, not Cutler)
• Does not deal with disaster well (never faced it in Montreal, plenty of it in Chicago)
• Works best with a QB who is a game manager rather than a gunslinger

Montreal was a great situation for him and the team prospered. Chicago was the opposite and he wasn't the blood 'n' guts type of guy to get a grip on the situation.  His offence there in the second year was more the product of circumstance.  His first year Bears offence was more indicative of what he can do, especially when McCowan was running the team.  Had the Bears D shown up for some of those games, McCowan probably would've gone 5 and 0.

Appreciate the input!