Updated: Who Should Be Our Next OC? It's Trestman

[Alaska Alaska!]

http://blogs.thescore.com/nfl/2013/12/11/how-marc-trestman-went-from-quarterback-whisperer-to-offensive-innovator/

Good read, breaks down a few plays, one actually against us two years ago.

This was an excellent read!  And I LOVE the videos breaking down the plays.  Props for sharing!

[Dewy101]

Judging Trestman as an OC on Chicago's last season is unfair. The entire team was abomination, seemed there wasn't lot of people in that locker room talking to each other. Then, there was Cutler, worse than previous year. This will be out of the picture in Baltimore, his responsibilities will be entirely different and his QB is the real deal.

There is a lot of talk of his unbalanced offense but the stats from 2013 don't agree:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2013.htm

Obviously having receivers like Jeffrey and Marshall plays a part but they did run decent amount.

It's early to tell how will our O turn out but I definitely feel more comfortable with Trestman than Gase.

They ran the ball often in 2013. Injuries to the offensive line really hurt their run game. Last season Fortes carries per game dropped to 16 but he had over 100 receptions. Whether we run or pass a RB is a vital part to his offense.

[jazz1988]

I'm a bit confused as this does make it sound like the Ravens turned down Shanahan. Not sure if I like "pass happy playbook" description.

 

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000461175/article/ravens-hire-marc-trestman-as-offensive-coordinator

 

The Ravens wanted Kyle Shanahan but  so did The Falcons. I'm guessing The Falcons put up more money for Shanahan but at the same time Gary Kubiak was still our offensive coordinator so we technically couldn't hire Kyle Shanahan at all.

[cwfRaven]

Does anybody actually know if Trestman was the play caller in Chi? Or was it his OC?

I was wondering the same thing...

The only thing I feel 100% sure of is that the FO wouldn't have hired him if they didn't believe his philosophies and methods would mesh with the Ravens identity.

[alkutbay]

Well, I am thinking there are a lot of positives he can bring to us. He's here now I might as well be optimistic

[ratedr]

I'm also concerned about the run game.

[beasy2487]

I'm excited to see what Trestman will do for the Ravens. I think the balance of personalities will work really well. We desperately need dual threat talent at the RB position now though...I wouldn't expect Justin Forsett back on the squad for that reason.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I'm also concerned about the run game.

 

same.  thats really what ravens are all about.  i do not want ravens to become a pass happy offense.   marc needs to step his run game up big time, b/c he failed miserably on bears 

[paulhs94]

Well one thing's for sure: getting a big-name WR through the draft or FA is the most important priority now. We all saw how Chicago's offense thrived when they had Jeffery and Marshall on the field.

[ravens rule]

I don't know about this. Would have preferred a younger coach but at least he'll never get a head coaching job. For some strange reason I'm getting Cam Cameron flashbacks.

[1/28/01]

i don't think we will have as diverse of an offense..we will lack balance again.

Kubiak mixed it up…trestman isn't as well rounded..

Weird, so you see this as a negative. Shocker!

[1/28/01]

so basically we bring in a guy who is pathetic at run schemes and that was our strength this year

not good at all.

i expect interceptions and QB sacks to go up

Every 4 minutes you've typed a negative remark. Give it a rest. State your opinion and call it a day.

[Gordo52]

Sources indicate it's likely, but unconfirmed.

Bears forum haha

[darklight1216]

The Ravens wanted Kyle Shanahan but  so did The Falcons. I'm guessing The Falcons put up more money for Shanahan but at the same time Gary Kubiak was still our offensive coordinator so we technically couldn't hire Kyle Shanahan at all.

 

I can't believe the Falcons hired an OC before the HC. 

 

I'm happy that they hired him because I enjoy seeing Matt Ryan fail and I expect that Kyle Shanahan will give me what I want.

I don't know about this. Would have preferred a younger coach but at least he'll never get a head coaching job. For some strange reason I'm getting Cam Cameron flashbacks.

Cam is the only OC Flacco has had that did not go on to become a HC in the NFL so maybe that's what made you think about him.

 

I sure hope Trestman is stellar because if he's not ie. Cameron, Mattison, Pees (depending on your view) the Ravens will take their time in replacing him.

[Gordo52]

Read some comments on the Bears forum saying teams notoriously catch onto Trestmans offenses after his 1st year.... Besides that, I was surprised to find a lot of positive comments. They're happy it doesn't effect their search for a OC, but it seemed like the consensus believe it was a good hire for us. High praises for Joe which was refreshing... High majority hate Cutler and think him & Trestman's offense just didn't mesh. They think Trestman should do better just focusing on offense and not running the team...Also the culture Harbs has created, he'll be under.

[Purple Punishment]

I can't believe the Falcons hired an OC before the HC.

I'm happy that they hired him because I enjoy seeing Matt Ryan fail and I expect that Kyle Shanahan will give me what I want.

Cam is the only OC Flacco has had that did not go on to become a HC in the NFL so maybe that's what made you think about him.

I sure hope Trestman is stellar because if he's not ie. Cameron, Mattison, Pees (depending on your view) the Ravens will take their time in replacing him.

Mattison didn't have a pretty defense but we were a top 5 defense under him and his 4-3 base D

[RaineV1]

I don't know about this. Would have preferred a younger coach but at least he'll never get a head coaching job. For some strange reason I'm getting Cam Cameron flashbacks.

You really can't compare someone like Trestman to Cam. Trestman actually has a successful record as an OC, where he's improved the offense of every team he's gone to. Trestman got career highs out of Jake Plummer and made Rich Gannon into the league MVP. As opposed to Cam, where the offense always got better after he left.

[balfan23]

I'm actually pretty excited about this. Trestman was not HC material (could blame it on the cancer that is Jay Cutler), but now he gets to focus solely his offense. I think its a shot at having an innovative OC and a guy who may stick around for more than a season. 

I think the league sometimes expects too much from a HC, in terms of handling specific players. Chicago brought him in to get Cutler to realize his potential. Wrong job. You need a QB coach or maybe an OC to do that. An HC has a billion things to worry with and they are not in a position to micro-manage specific players. 

 

By all accounts, he is innovative, as you have stated, and is in the proper position to utilize that skill. Also, maybe, just maybe, he will be both successful and realize that being an OC is the job he is meant to do and sticks with it. 

[ravensdfan]

same.  thats really what ravens are all about.  i do not want ravens to become a pass happy offense.   marc needs to step his run game up big time, b/c he failed miserably on bears 

Bears 2013:

579/404 pass/run

 

Ravens 2014:

575/448 pass/run

 

..not really that much difference. Don't follow the Bears and they're televised here rarely so I don't know for sure, but some here have indicated they were heavier on the pass in 2014 because they were always behind plus injuries and O line concerns.

 

I am more concerned that most have stated he relies on the short passing game, screens, etc. Not really one of our strong areas.

Edited January 21, 2015 by ravensdfan

[Alaska Alaska!]

Bears 2013:

579/404 pass/run

 

Ravens 2014:

575/448 pass/run

 

..not really that much difference. Don't follow the Bears and they're televised here rarely so I don't know for sure, but some here have indicated they were heavier on the pass in 2014 because they were always behind plus injuries and O line concerns.

 

I am more concerned that most have stated he relies on the short passing game, screens, etc. Not really one of our strong areas.

Yeah but he still likes to go for the deep pass.  He'll air it, just not all the time.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

No it wasn't a response to any of my posts but you can double check me on that.

edit: I stand corrected. Dewy had one sentence about screens being about timing and proper coaching. (so I then have to assume we've had crap coaches because we've never been too good at them). Missed his response.

Dude I'm trolling you. I apologize just want some positivity round here. All we ever want around here is a legit passing game, Trestmans the guy to do it and everyone's bummed.

[ravensdfan]

Dude I'm trolling you. I apologize just want some positivity round here. All we ever want around here is a legit passing game, Trestmans the guy to do it and everyone's bummed.

Just don't think the dink & dunk is something we execute very well and doesn't really play to Flacco's arm strength either.

 

One of the main complaints at the beginning of this past season was that the vertical game was gone. It came back but really don't like this starting from scratch stuff again at all.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

you guys should go to the NFL.Com article and see what fans from other teams are saying. A lot of Steelers fans say this was a good hire. Flacco also getting alot of praise even from ughhh pat fans.

[rmcjacket23]

For me, its simple... I think most fans would agree that Trestman projects to be good for Joe Flacco.

 

The question that nobody can really possibly know at this time is whether he is good for the entire offense overall.

 

Conventional wisdom says he really can't run this offense just like he did in Chicago (at least not right now), because frankly, he had better "toys" to play with over there (we have nobody skill-wise like Marshall, Jeffery or Forte on this roster right now).

 

The offensive line figures to be much better than what he had in Chicago, so that should be a plus regardless.

 

He's experienced, and people in his industry generally have high praise for him. That's sufficient enough for me.

[beasy2487]

Dude I'm trolling you. I apologize just want some positivity round here. All we ever want around here is a legit passing game, Trestmans the guy to do it and everyone's bummed.

 

Yea it's understandable. A fan base starved for offensive innovation finally gets it, just to see the architect walk away in heartbreaking fashion. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. I'm optimistic that Trestman can get the job done but I'm also confident that Joe is at the point in his career where he can demand satisfaction from his offensive system instead of the other way around. January Joe proved that it's less about the playbook and more about Joe and the weapons around him. Let's get him a gamechanger at a pass-catching position and watch him work.

 

What I like most about Trestman is his QB pedigree. If we can keep Joe focused on his mechanics to cut down on overthrows between 5 and 15 yards from the line of scrimmage I think we'll see more consistency and an even better offense.

[beasy2487]

you guys should go to the NFL.Com article and see what fans from other teams are saying. A lot of Steelers fans say this was a good hire. Flacco also getting alot of praise even from ughhh pat fans.

 

Really like the post from the Canadian Steelers fan. Excited to see what Trestman does.

[Dewy101]

Read some comments on the Bears forum saying teams notoriously catch onto Trestmans offenses after his 1st year.... Besides that, I was surprised to find a lot of positive comments. They're happy it doesn't effect their search for a OC, but it seemed like the consensus believe it was a good hire for us. High praises for Joe which was refreshing... High majority hate Cutler and think him & Trestman's offense just didn't mesh. They think Trestman should do better just focusing on offense and not running the team...Also the culture Harbs has created, he'll be under.

Link please? Not all forums are as easy to navigate through like the Ravens haha

[baltimorefan328]

I know Flacco has a great deep ball, but to be honest if Trestman brings an offense here that leads to more YAC I'd be just as happy. We could see Flaccos completion percentage go up even more and if he is able to create mismatches on 5 yard passes that lead to 25 yard gains im just as happy with that as a 25 yard throw downfield with no YAC. Definitely a wait and see approach and I am skeptical of Trestman but a shorter and quicker passing attack could in the end actually lead to more production in the grand scheme of things

[ratedr]

Mattison didn't have a pretty defense but we were a top 5 defense under him and his 4-3 base D

I believe we were only #10 in total defense and the pass defense was in the bottom 10. Actually very similar to the issues we have with Pees now. Gave up a lot of leads late. We went into every single game that season with a lead in the 4th quarter.

Edited January 21, 2015 by ratedr

[KBoum]

Bears 2013:

579/404 pass/run

 

Ravens 2014:

575/448 pass/run

 

..not really that much difference. Don't follow the Bears and they're televised here rarely so I don't know for sure, but some here have indicated they were heavier on the pass in 2014 because they were always behind plus injuries and O line concerns.

 

I am more concerned that most have stated he relies on the short passing game, screens, etc. Not really one of our strong areas.

 

2014 Bears stats :

355 runs

609 pass attemps

37% run / 63% pass

 

2014 Ravens

448 runs/ 554 passes

48% run / 52% pass

 

22,2 runs / game...

30 out of 32 teams

 

1441 rushing yards

27 out of 32 teams

 

avg 4,1/run

16 out of 32 teams

 

so run game was pretty good just wasnt using it because they were trailing and bad playcalling. I've watched a lot of Bears football because I'm from Canada and I saw Trestman during his 3 yeards here.. sure wasnt the same rules but he was a weird playcaller. he had Calvillo which help a lot. His passing games used the larger field a lot. He's soft and Flacco will love that but Steve Smith won't.

 

AFC North is all about smathmouth football so I don't know if Trestman is the right guy. Even if you lose by 10 you HAVE to run the ball. Flacco stats against Dime/quarter defense are horrible. He needs a good running game to help his passing game. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by KBoum