Updated: Who Should Be Our Next OC? It's Trestman

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Let me start by saying I want nothing more than for Kubiak to come back and I do think there's a good chance he will.

But if he were to leave what would you think about the possibility of bringing Trestman in as our new OC. Has a lot of success doing wonders for qbs (no one can fix cutler) and had that bears offense playing tops his first year.

I don't think he's a good fit as a HC but could see him having success with less on his plate and bein able to just focus on offense.

Hope we keep kubs be he'd be tops on my list if we lose him.

[Inqui]

Rather have Brian Pariani (or better yet, Rick Dennison) - keep the system we have.

 

Trestman can come in as a QBs coach, but I think he'll find work somewhere else in fairly short order.

Edited January 6, 2015 by Inqui

[Tru11]

would make an excellent QB coach or OC if kubiak goes.

[Greatness]

Give me Billick and that Vikings offense.

[RaineV1]

If Dennison leaves with Kubiak (assuming he does leave) then Trestman would be the best choice.

[Gordo52]

I'd love for him to join the staff in the event Kubiak & Dennison leave. Wouldn't even mind the position. I just really like him and don't think his Chicago troubles should define him.

Edited January 6, 2015 by Gordo52

[Alaska Alaska!]

If the scenario really played itself out that way, and Trestman has a successful season with us, that would truly solidify the Ravens organization as a hot spot for guys that have been in a slump to come and redeem themselves.  

[TDubbs]

He's got a great offensive mind and would be an asset to us in some capacity. I don't put much blame on him for the Bears struggles, Cutler is a cancer to work with. 

 

I have a feeling we'll have Kubiak for next year, but it wouldn't be a terrible thing to have a potential in house OC hanging around in the event he does leave one day. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Yeah, I agree completely Kubiak staying is the absolute best and preferred scenario and I do honestly think he will stay.

Trestman is already getting interviews for OC positions so there's a chance he gets snatched up before this hypothetical situation would even happen, but if he's still around id try to bring him in in some capacity as an offensive assistant if Kubiak stays or as the OC if he leaves.

I do think if Kubiak leaves dennison isn't an option as he'll go with Kubes wherever.

But let's just hope this is a complete non-issue.

[Gordo52]

Maybe Trestman is holding out to see what happens with these contenders OC's and whether or not they leave to become headcoaches.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Rather have Brian Pariani (or better yet, Rick Dennison) - keep the system we have.

Trestman can come in as a QBs coach, but I think he'll find work somewhere else in fairly short order.

I'm working under the assumption that if Kubiak leaves so do dennison and pariani though pariani there's a better chance as he may want a shot at being an OC which he won't under Kubiak.

And who knows maybe dennison wants to prove himself away from Kubiak bc when he's been a HC he's still had complete control of the offense and called plays so dennison was OC in title alone. But still thinks it's most likely they'd all go together.

Under that assumption I really like Trestman as the man for the job to sustain the offensive growth we've seen this year or maybe even take it a step further. I'm also intrigued to see what he could do with Joe.

I don't hold cutler against him bc he just seems like a stubborn know-it-all type who probably refused to take his teachings or any constructive criticisms to heart.

[PurpleCity5]

Yep, I want Trestman if Kubiak leaves. The guy is a good OC and a QB guru. I still believe promoting OC's can work but Trestman is a QB professor. He knows offense as well, he was very successful with the Oakland Raiders and helped Rich Gannon win the MVP award, Trestman would be my top option if Gary Kubiak leaves. 

[FastEddie]

I don't see Kubiak going anywhere this year...especially if we make it to the AFC championship. It will be interesting to see how he calls this game on Saturday. I'm expecting to see a few wrinkles here and there. If he can get Forsett moving...I expect a Ravens win.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd ask Joe. Not trying to be funny here, but if we're working under the assumption that Kubiak leaves, I'll also work under the assumption that his assistants could be retained to some extent. I understand that they typically follow him, but you never know with money and potential. Some of these guys may want to take the next step.

I do like Trestman, however, as an option.

[Drew P]

Let me start by saying I want nothing more than for Kubiak to come back and I do think there's a good chance he will.

But if he were to leave what would you think about the possibility of bringing Trestman in as our new OC. Has a lot of success doing wonders for qbs (no one can fix cutler) and had that bears offense playing tops his first year.

I don't think he's a good fit as a HC but could see him having success with less on his plate and bein able to just focus on offense.

Hope we keep kubs be he'd be tops on my list if we lose him.

 

Please no.

[jazz1988]

I would add him to the staff even if Gary Kubiak stayed. It probably be  great to have him as a offense consultant or something.

[rafahash]

I would add him to the staff even if Gary Kubiak stayed. It probably be  great to have him as a offense consultant or something.

 

He'll get a job as an OC. Here or somewhere else. No way we can bring him with another title

[KBoum]

I live in Montreal so I saw Trestman a few seasons in the CFL.... let me say this he's a lot better position coach than OC.

 

His playcalling is suspect. He can go 15 passes in a row and try a playaction right after. I mean how can they beat on the run if you havent used it once ...

 

He's more a spread, singleback guy. Not really what the Ravens are looking for. But if Dennison and Kubiak leaves... he would make a great great QB/butt OC coach. Not so sure about OC in the AFC North tho. AFC North is about pound the ball, possession game tough bluecollar offense. Maybe thats why the Steelers didnt win against us (no running, not playing tough offense)

Edited January 6, 2015 by KBoum

[RavensFanMania]

Trestman could work well as he is a very good OC and QB guru.  However is WCO is predicated more on the pass i.e. Mike McCarthy then the Gary Kubiak, Mike Shanahan syle of WCO.  Still a wco with mostly the same verbiage.

[The Raven]

I don't watch a lot of Bears football, but I've heard fans say things like "pass happy," "soft," and "clueless" when describing Trestman.

 

I also question the guys resume. I mean, how do you go from the NFL, back to college, then to the CFL? He was an OC in the 90s and early 2000s, but his last NFL coaching gig before being the Chicago Bears HC was as an offensive consultant with the Saints in 2007. Sorry, I'm not sold on this guy. There is no consistency in his resume. HE had no longevity. His longest coaching gig lasted five years in the CFL. His longest NFL stint? Three years with the Oakland Raiders as OC and QB coach. 

 

I look at his stats with San Fran. He was with San Fran in 95 and 96 as OC. The offense actually improved in 1997, after he was gone. By the way, he spent 1997 as the Detroit Lions QB coach, a demotion. What does that tell you?

 

Am I missing something? Is there a reason he just recently resurfaced as an NFL coach? Why has he never lasted long in the NFL? It seems he's been fired a lot. What's so great about this guy?

 

System wise, it's a decent fit, though he's WAY to pass happy. I just question his ability. I am not sold on this guy. 

Edited January 6, 2015 by The Raven

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I don't watch a lot of Bears football, but I've heard fans say things like "pass happy," "soft," and "clueless" when describing Trestman.

I also question the guys resume. I mean, how do you go from the NFL, back to college, then to the CFL? He was an OC in the 90s and early 2000s, but his last NFL coaching gig before being the Chicago Bears HC was as an offensive consultant with the Saints in 2007. Sorry, I'm not sold on this guy. There is no consistency in his resume. HE had no longevity. His longest coaching gig lasted five years in the CFL. His longest NFL stint? Three years with the Oakland Raiders as OC and QB coach.

I look at his stats with San Fran. He was with San Fran in 95 and 96 as OC. The offense actually improved in 1997, after he was gone. By the way, he spent 1997 as the Detroit Lions QB coach, a demotion. What does that tell you?

Am I missing something? Is there a reason he just recently resurfaced as an NFL coach? Why has he never lasted long in the NFL? It seems he's been fired a lot. What's so great about this guy?

System wise, it's a decent fit, though he's WAY to pass happy. I just question his ability. I am not sold on this guy.

I think with the principles we have in place and the strong staff and FO plus veteran leadership he would work out well here.

Best case would be to bring him in in kubiaks staff as a QB/passing game consultant though I doubt he'd be interested in that. Though it'd be great for him to learn the principles of kubiaks run based wco and just add some of the passing wrinkles he brings. Kind of groom him to take over if/when Kubes leaves.

Haven't looked into his past too much but sounds like from the teams you've mentioned he's been in bad situations with bad teams/organizations. The bears were a legit Super Bowl contender last year until cutler came back. I believe cutler was the issue not Trestman.

I think within a strong organization that has an identity he would succeed. I just don't think Trestman coming in would all the sudden make Flacco, SSS, Torrey, KO, and yanda "soft." And I'm sure there would be conversations during the hiring process about being able to maintain offensive balance and not be too pass happy otherwise we wouldn't hire him in the 1st place.

Outside of Kubes or dennison staying I just can't think of another candidate for OC that wouldn't require a complete scheme overhaul.

Admittedly I don't have much knowledge of who might be available from the college ranks (though I'd absolutely love chip Kelly's protege from Oregon) so I'm no expert on the available options but I find Trestman to be an intriguing fit

Kyle Shanahan would be another obvious fit but pretty sure Cleveland could block that plus I'm not so sure he'd be interested in lateral movement anyways.

I guess we just pray Kubes stays or were gonna have an interesting offseason looking for a replacement. Maybe dennison would be interested in getting out from underneath kubiaks shadow and proving he can be an actual OC since in Houston Kubes was the play caller and dennison was OC in title only and would likely be the same if he were to follow Kubiak in that hypothetical situation.

Edited January 7, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I don't watch a lot of Bears football, but I've heard fans say things like "pass happy," "soft," and "clueless" when describing Trestman.

 

I also question the guys resume. I mean, how do you go from the NFL, back to college, then to the CFL? He was an OC in the 90s and early 2000s, but his last NFL coaching gig before being the Chicago Bears HC was as an offensive consultant with the Saints in 2007. Sorry, I'm not sold on this guy. There is no consistency in his resume. HE had no longevity. His longest coaching gig lasted five years in the CFL. His longest NFL stint? Three years with the Oakland Raiders as OC and QB coach. 

 

I look at his stats with San Fran. He was with San Fran in 95 and 96 as OC. The offense actually improved in 1997, after he was gone. By the way, he spent 1997 as the Detroit Lions QB coach, a demotion. What does that tell you?

 

Am I missing something? Is there a reason he just recently resurfaced as an NFL coach? Why has he never lasted long in the NFL? It seems he's been fired a lot. What's so great about this guy?

 

System wise, it's a decent fit, though he's WAY to pass happy. I just question his ability. I am not sold on this guy. 

 

I'm the same as you, and I too have also heard a lot of negativity filtering through. He doesn't seem to command respect, or a cohesive playing unit.

 

Now, that may be different when dealing with the quarterbacks as opposed to an entire locker room, but honestly, the Bears offence still seemed a rabble, even with the weapons they had available. 

[Maryland]

I'm pretty sure the tweets I read had him interviewing with Jacksonville and Tampa Bay for an OC position. Jacksonville seemed particularly interested. 

 

Trestman will probably be hired before our postseason is even finished. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'm the same as you, and I too have also heard a lot of negativity filtering through. He doesn't seem to command respect, or a cohesive playing unit.

Now, that may be different when dealing with the quarterbacks as opposed to an entire locker room, but honestly, the Bears offence still seemed a rabble, even with the weapons they had available.

I don't blame Trestman for that mess. They've consistently underachieved. He had them competing with Seattle last year if memory serves.

That locker room will be a mess regardless of who the coach is as long as Cutler is at QB, and Brandon Marshall just magnifies the issues. Urlacher has been very outspoken on that very issue.

I'll agree that I don't think Trestman has the personality to command a locker room but that wouldn't be an issue here. Harbaugh, the FO and the vets have that on lock.

With the freedom to focus purely on scheme and play calling I think he can succeed. He reminds me of a mangini type who was successful with the organizational strength under belichek but failed miserably when asked to run the show.

I don't think that means either of them are bad football coaches they just need the right environment to be successful. I think the ravens can provide that environment.

[Static]

Lets not Down talk Cutler because we all remember 2013 Flacco. Cutler and Flacco are very similar and we see how trestmen did with cutler

[jazz1988]

Lets not Down talk Cutler because we all remember 2013 Flacco. Cutler and Flacco are very similar and we see how trestmen did with cutler

 

In 2013 Flacco was dealing with terrible offensive line and no run game . I think that's totally different from what Cutler was dealing with

[rmcjacket23]

Lets not Down talk Cutler because we all remember 2013 Flacco. Cutler and Flacco are very similar and we see how trestmen did with cutler

Sort of. From a comp pct, yardage aspect, they are pretty similar. Cutler throws TDs at a better rate than Flacco (every 21 attempts vs every 25 attempts), but Flacco's INT rate is significantly lower (INT every 24 attempts from Cutler vs every 41 attempts from Flacco).

 

Plus, the most overlooked factored of Joe's game is durability... hasn't missed a start. Cutler hasn't played a full season since 2009. He's actually only averaged 12.5 games played per season for the last 5 seasons. Having your supposed starting QB miss 3-4 games a season is a very bad thing.

[PurpleCity5]

IMO, if Kub and his entire staff leaves, Trestman would be my top option. 

[52520Andrew]

I wouldn't kind Trestman or Shanahan, maybe we can snag Adam Gase?

[PurpleCity5]

I wouldn't kind Trestman or Shanahan, maybe we can snag Adam Gase?

Gase is looking for a HC opportunity. 

 

Besides, did you see what Josh McCrown did during his time in Chicago? That was all Trestman, it's just that the Bears are a complete dumpster fire, with Jay Cutler at the healm. 

 

Why not as well? Baltimore is a better situation than Cleveland or Oakland.