Who do we cut?

[ravenz2752]

I heard reports earlier in the season about potentially cutting Ngata or Webb. If we need more cap space for a free agent, who on our roster are we cutting?

[GrimCoconut]

Probably still Ngata. I think Ngata gets the Boldin treatment. He saves us too much money and I'm not confident we can get him at a discounted rate. 

[PurpleCity5]

I really want to see F.O find a way to keep Ngata at a discounted price, you've seen from that Wild Card game how great of a player he is. He was only scratching the surface that game, I think at New England, he'll have an even greater game. But if they find a trade suitor, yeah, I could see the AnQuan Boldin treatment as well. I'd hate to see him leave.

[rmw10]

Far too early to really tell, but the following names have been kicked around as possibilities...

 

Haloti Ngata ($8.5M savings)

Lardarius Webb ($2M savings before June 1st, $8M post)

Chris Canty ($2.66M savings)

Sam Koch ($2.5M savings)

Albert McClellan ($1M savings)

Jacoby Jones ($750K savings before June 1st, $2.5 post)

[GrimCoconut]

Far too early to really tell, but the following names have been kicked around as possibilities...

 

Haloti Ngata ($8.5M savings)

Lardarius Webb ($2M savings before June 1st, $8M post)

Chris Canty ($2.66M savings)

Sam Koch ($2.5M savings)

Albert McClellan ($1M savings)

Jacoby Jones ($750K savings before June 1st, $2.5 post)

I really think McClellan, Canty and Ngata could all be cap cuts. I do think it's possible we could keep Canty if we cut Ngata, but I'm not really sure as there's a lot of questions there. I do think that Redding is a guy we could sign relatively cheap and who is an experienced veteran playing at a well enough level who would fit well here as he has a history here as well. I think we could get him for close to Canty's figure. 

 

Jones I think could be cut but not because of the savings but the play and roster spot. He's iffy, though. 

[Crabcakes&Football]

Webb is a must keep. Jimmy is coming off a big injury that takes 6 months to recover from, Melvin has played well but the sample size is still small, then what do you have? Meanwhile, we have the depth to cover Ngata's loss, although I don't know if we should with a savings of 8.5 mil. Tough call. 

[PolishRifle]

Webby is actually starting to play well again. Our secondary needs all the help it can get. It would be hard to watch Ngata leave, but with all the young talent we have, we might be able to actually afford letting him go.

[JoeyFlex5]

we cant cut webb simply out of fear, we cant have a repeat in the secondary like we had this year, keep webb, he is solid when healthy and is a good veteran presence who knows tricks of the trade to win matchups you wouldnt expect him to(like last night, he OWNED the best receiver in the league) 

 

ngata, i was saying should get cut, but after seeing how timmy played in his absence, many would say to cut him because we have his replacement, i say keep ngata and let them both play at the same time and see the most dominant front seven in the game become even better, our front 3 man DL would command 6 blockers just for themselves and they would still push the pocket and penetrate on a regular basis, ngata, williams, and timmy in their 2nd year as a trio is downright scary, if that front seven stays intact and healthy, i see a record setting season next year, so keep ngata. 

 

canty can go, you can bet were gonna be taking a DL at some point in the draft because we always do, and tyson has been a solid and quiet contributor, i have no hopes for KLM but i do have very high hopes for urban, i like our DL depth and canty has been underwhelming in his 2 years here. 

 

koch is an absolute weapon, dont you even think about it, although alabamas punter looked damn good against OSU, idk when he plans on coming to the nfl but if hes always that good then id love to grab another young guy and lock him down for nearly a decade, keep the tradition of strong punting alive. 

 

mclellan is average depth in a crowded and star studded position, and zachary orr seems to have bypassed him on ST, a 1m is without question worth it. 

 

cut jacoby post june 1st, that is huge savings for a guy who was once a playoff hero but has since been a blight to this offense, his return average is solid but his habit of bobbling kicks 9 yards deep and still taking them out, and going down inside the 15 is a problem and it only seems to come in big moments. 

 

basically, dont replace 1 stud with another, keep 2 studs on the field at once instead, if we lose mcphee, you cant bet we will regret cutting ngata if we end up doing it. 

[rmw10]

I really think McClellan, Canty and Ngata could all be cap cuts. I do think it's possible we could keep Canty if we cut Ngata, but I'm not really sure as there's a lot of questions there. I do think that Redding is a guy we could sign relatively cheap and who is an experienced veteran playing at a well enough level who would fit well here as he has a history here as well. I think we could get him for close to Canty's figure. 

 

Jones I think could be cut but not because of the savings but the play and roster spot. He's iffy, though. 

 

Yeah I only included Jones more for the performance and roster spot rather than the money.  I think he's a guy that we could let go early to give him a shot on another team if there's no longer a spot for him here.  I can see him at least sticking through a portion of training camp first, since savings would be minimal before June.

[1/28/01]

Cut????? We have NE in 6 days!

[GrimCoconut]

ngata, i was saying should get cut, but after seeing how timmy played in his absence, many would say to cut him because we have his replacement, i say keep ngata and let them both play at the same time and see the most dominant front seven in the game become even better, our front 3 man DL would command 6 blockers just for themselves and they would still push the pocket and penetrate on a regular basis, ngata, williams, and timmy in their 2nd year as a trio is downright scary, if that front seven stays intact and healthy, i see a record setting season next year, so keep ngata. 

 

koch is an absolute weapon, dont you even think about it, although alabamas punter looked damn good against OSU, idk when he plans on coming to the nfl but if hes always that good then id love to grab another young guy and lock him down for nearly a decade, keep the tradition of strong punting alive. 

Alabama's punter, JK Scott, is a freshman. I know because I already looked him up wondering the same thing, lol. I think he is a guy we would definitely take, probably even draft, because he's that good he'll get drafted. 

 

I abbreviated your post, but I don't know about Ngata. He's a guy who could be gone or could stay. I think everyone wants him to stay, because he's talented. Of course, there's the possibility, but the reality is it can happen like Boldin before him. We'll want to make moves in FA, and Ngata is the biggest means of freeing up cap space. I'm not sure we'll want to pay a lot for him, and Yanda is coming due as well. We're going to have to be selective with extensions. 

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah I only included Jones more for the performance and roster spot rather than the money.  I think he's a guy that we could let go early to give him a shot on another team if there's no longer a spot for him here.  I can see him at least sticking through a portion of training camp first, since savings would be minimal before June.

We could also just cut him as a post-June 1st designee if that's the case. It's possible either way. His future is certainly clouded. 

[ravenz2752]

Cut????? We have NE in 6 days!

In the offseason

[JoeyFlex5]

Alabama's punter, JK Scott, is a freshman. I know because I already looked him up wondering the same thing, lol. I think he is a guy we would definitely take, probably even draft, because he's that good he'll get drafted. 

 

I abbreviated your post, but I don't know about Ngata. He's a guy who could be gone or could stay. I think everyone wants him to stay, because he's talented. Of course, there's the possibility, but the reality is it can happen like Boldin before him. We'll want to make moves in FA, and Ngata is the biggest means of freeing up cap space. I'm not sure we'll want to pay a lot for him, and Yanda is coming due as well. We're going to have to be selective with extensions. 

urschel has been solid mannn, yanda wont be getting cut, but if urschel improves he could be our stop gap and i could see us letting yanda walk and drafting an absolute stud guard and maybe moving urschel to center in the future. 

 

and yea ngata is without a doubt the one move we could make to secure our long term future and lock down everyone who is due, but i would hate to get rid of this potential dominance of that 3 man front before we even get to see it in full effect, if we can guarantee to get mcphee locked up in a REASONABLE deal by cutting ngata, that would take away some of the sting, but again if we do that, i think we almost have to luck out and find another absolute stud in the 2015 draft like we did with jernigan. 

 

and yes, that punter, wow, like.. just wow. if dude is as good as he showed on friday night, then he could go as early as the 4th round, if he improves big time over his college career, 3rd round is even plausible, that was the single most dominant punting performance i have ever seen by a mile and a half, if bama were to win that game, that punter wouldve been the MVP hands down, he carried bama through the 4th quarter while their offense stunk it up drive after drive, it was incredible.

[K-Dog]

Revisit in February

[RaineV1]

While I would love to keep Ngata, if they can't restructure his deal then they need to cut him. One thing of note here is that Ozzie and our positional coaches for the front 7 on defense are amazing at finding good talent and using them effectively. I trust them to fill any void left by Ngata. I'm not nearly as confident that they find a corner to replace Webb.

[GrimCoconut]

urschel has been solid mannn, yanda wont be getting cut, but if urschel improves he could be our stop gap and i could see us letting yanda walk and drafting an absolute stud guard and maybe moving urschel to center in the future. 

 

and yea ngata is without a doubt the one move we could make to secure our long term future and lock down everyone who is due, but i would hate to get rid of this potential dominance of that 3 man front before we even get to see it in full effect, if we can guarantee to get mcphee locked up in a REASONABLE deal by cutting ngata, that would take away some of the sting, but again if we do that, i think we almost have to luck out and find another absolute stud in the 2015 draft like we did with jernigan. 

 

and yes, that punter, wow, like.. just wow. if dude is as good as he showed on friday night, then he could go as early as the 4th round, if he improves big time over his college career, 3rd round is even plausible, that was the single most dominant punting performance i have ever seen by a mile and a half, if bama were to win that game, that punter wouldve been the MVP hands down, he carried bama through the 4th quarter while their offense stunk it up drive after drive, it was incredible.

I've been touting him for a while now, so it's perhaps bias as I think I'm the only one pounding the table for him, but I think Redding would be a great replacement for Ngata if we cut him. Redding signed a super-cheap (relative) deal with the Colts for 10.5M with 2.675M fully guaranteed. He's 34-years-old, so he won't be an expensive free agent. I haven't heard him even whisper the words "retirement," so I think it's probable he still wants to play. Furthermore, he's playing very well. 

 

In the past three years, he's has 2, 4.5 and 3.5 sacks on the year, which isn't bad for a DT. He's also racked up some tackles and PDs. Stats don't tell the story with him, though, and I think for the price, he can't be beat. I think we could sign him for around 1.5-2.5M and that's a very fair price for him. I'd give him a 2-year deal for that. I'm just saying that a situation like that makes Ngata somewhat expendable, and I think it could very well limit his future here. 

 

I wouldn't move on from Yanda if it's between him or Yanda. If it's between Yanda and Ngata, I'm taking Yanda every single time. 

[redlobster]

Urschel is going to be zuttahs replacement most likely not yandas

[JoeyFlex5]

I've been touting him for a while now, so it's perhaps bias as I think I'm the only one pounding the table for him, but I think Redding would be a great replacement for Ngata if we cut him. Redding signed a super-cheap (relative) deal with the Colts for 10.5M with 2.675M fully guaranteed. He's 34-years-old, so he won't be an expensive free agent. I haven't heard him even whisper the words "retirement," so I think it's probable he still wants to play. Furthermore, he's playing very well. 

 

In the past three years, he's has 2, 4.5 and 3.5 sacks on the year, which isn't bad for a DT. He's also racked up some tackles and PDs. Stats don't tell the story with him, though, and I think for the price, he can't be beat. I think we could sign him for around 1.5-2.5M and that's a very fair price for him. I'd give him a 2-year deal for that. I'm just saying that a situation like that makes Ngata somewhat expendable, and I think it could very well limit his future here. 

 

I wouldn't move on from Yanda if it's between him or Yanda. If it's between Yanda and Ngata, I'm taking Yanda every single time. 

not being able to bring back redding hurt me at the time, he was underrated before he came here, and was a key figure in our defense in his time here, he is versatile, durable, smart, and reliable, and has all the physical tools to do what we need, he is that prototype jack of all trades defensive lineman, he could be serviceable at any position, 4-3 DE, 4-3 DT, hell maybe even a bit of NT in certain packages, but he can also be borderline dominant at 3-4 DE. 

 

i havent thought about him as an option, i guess i thought he was older than he really is, but if he were to come back i think he would be a big upgrade over canty, even if we go that route, i still think we would need to draft another 3-4 DE in the first or 2nd round this year.

[JoeyFlex5]

Urschel is going to be zuttahs replacement most likely not yandas

i said stop gap if we let yanda walk, just temporary until we find yandas long term replacement. 

 

i do see a starting spot for urschel at center though when we decide to part ways with zuttah.

[redlobster]

i said stop gap if we let yanda walk, just temporary until we find yandas long term replacement.

i do see a starting spot for urschel at center though when we decide to part ways with zuttah.

I just don't see yanda walking/being let walk. Yanda was chosen over Ben Grubbs previously and I think he retires in Baltimore but it could be a Grubbs yanda situation with yanda and KO now

[JoeyFlex5]

I just don't see yanda walking/being let walk. Yanda was chosen over Ben Grubbs previously and I think he retires in Baltimore but it could be a Grubbs yanda situation with yanda and KO now

thats how i see it and with a solid temporary option in urschel i could see the FO not being afraid to let yanda walk, unless he agrees to a simple extension like suggs took this year

[Bltravens]

You don't let All Pro guards that can slide out to play RT in a pinch just walk because of a conceived large cap hit.

Yanda is a freaking stud.

[CalvinSmoke]

If we let Yanda walk I lose all hope in our front office. Don't pay these guys to be studs just to cut them for being paid.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Can we get through the postseason first.  More important things going on right now.

[AsianRice]

It hurts my head to see this topic...

 

 

PS: I need to be emotionally ready against the Pats.....

[Bryden88]

Let's cut Flacco, Forsett, Suggs, Doom, Tucker, trade all of our future draft picks for Johnny Football from the Browns, and then hire some pee wee leaguers as our RB and OLB and Kicker.

 

.....

 

.... Seriously. Too soon. Let's wait until post season is over for us - whether that's this game or post-Superbowl.

[Drew P]

Neither. Re-sign Ngata long term and keep Webb, they cant afford to test some unknown CB through FA.