Ready For The Dolphins?

[codizzle]

[quote name='huck1974' post='115097' date='Dec 30 2008, 09:57 PM']Last I checked, you guys have taken advantage of quite a few trick plays to spark your offense. Why don't you take a look at pass plays by your team and the Dolphins, by distance and completion. Do some research, then come back and speak again. I don't mean to be rude and would like to have a conversation with you. Mostly I would like to talk about the game that we are going to play. I do have a problem with you making things up and then stating them as fact. But hey, it your board. Your are correct in the fact that we have problems with 3rd down conversions. You guessed right there.[/quote]
so ur trying to talk smack about the worst facet of our game? and we actually have an arguement compared to yours? i like our chances

[Hitman]

A trick play is the worse facet of our game?

I thought it works pretty well.





Hell, Pitt won a SB with a trick play so what's wrong with em.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Hitman' post='115161' date='Dec 31 2008, 12:09 AM']A trick play is the worse facet of our game?

I thought it works pretty well.





Hell, Pitt won a SB with a trick play so what's wrong with em.[/quote]
i was referring to just our straight up passing game as being the overall worst facet even though that notch would go to defending kickoffs and punt returns prolly

[macbrak]

90% of our games are turning out to be pound, pound, pound, long bomb, pound, pound, pound, long 3rd. Just as Dolphins don't use they're 2 wild cat all that much. Both teams use them just enough to make sure the opposing team accounts for it.

As for statistics, I believe the phrase is lies, worse lies, and statistics.

Flacco doesn't have a lot of yards because we don't throw the ball that much. Just as Pennington has a better completion ration because they dink and dunk down the field. These are the sorts of things that don't come through in the stats page of the paper.

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

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take a quick look at their pass per plays huckleberry[/quote]

yea exactly Massaro, Chad Pennington averages 7.7 yards per pass and Flacco only averages 6.9. As for Chad not being able to throw a long ball going 33 out of 49 for balls over 31 yards which is pretty damn good. As for our offense only being as good as our wildcat, hey it's part of our system deal with it, Its a great package and we have wrinkles that no ones seen before that they are going to bring out vs the ravens. Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you used to be a jets fan and tell me how good Chad Pennington was?

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='macbrak' post='115191' date='Dec 31 2008, 07:58 AM']90% of our games are turning out to be pound, pound, pound, long bomb, pound, pound, pound, long 3rd. Just as Dolphins don't use they're 2 wild cat all that much. Both teams use them just enough to make sure the opposing team accounts for it.

As for statistics, I believe the phrase is lies, worse lies, and statistics.

Flacco doesn't have a lot of yards because we don't throw the ball that much. Just as Pennington has a better completion ration because they dink and dunk down the field. These are the sorts of things that don't come through in the stats page of the paper.[/quote]

No you and just about every other fan thats not a dolphions fan thinks CP can only dink and dunk... He's thrown 476 passes this year, only 160 of them we're thrown under 10 yards, thats 316 passes that we're over 10 yards so thats 208 of 316 passes completed. yea not exactly dink and dunk.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/chadpennington/situationalstats?id=PEN375096"]http://www.nfl.com/players/chadpennington/...ts?id=PEN375096[/url]

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115219' date='Dec 31 2008, 10:39 AM']No you and just about every other fan thats not a dolphions fan thinks CP can only dink and dunk... He's thrown 476 passes this year, only 160 of them we're thrown under 10 yards, thats 316 passes that we're over 10 yards so thats 208 of 316 passes completed. yea not exactly dink and dunk.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/chadpennington/situationalstats?id=PEN375096"]http://www.nfl.com/players/chadpennington/...ts?id=PEN375096[/url][/quote]


CP trying to throw bombs on us doesn't scare me. We'll take that away from him before he even knew he had it.
What DOES scare me is if Miami figures out that one of our D's weaknesses is covering those short little swing passes to the HB. Ronnie Brown could do some serious damage there. And it would open up a little room for your running game.

[RavenFever]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' post='114567' date='Dec 29 2008, 10:21 PM']i expect Clayton to get 150 yards and a TD as he will be getting by Andre Goodman all day
MCGahee to get 100 yards and 2 TD

Ravens win 30 - 9[/quote]
After seeing McGahee's statements in the Sunpaper today, change McGahee to McClain and I'll agree with you!!

Score: 31-10 RAVEN'S!!

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115219' date='Dec 31 2008, 10:39 AM']No you and just about every other fan thats not a dolphions fan thinks CP can only dink and dunk... He's thrown 476 passes this year, only 160 of them we're thrown under 10 yards, thats 316 passes that we're over 10 yards so thats 208 of 316 passes completed. yea not exactly dink and dunk.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/chadpennington/situationalstats?id=PEN375096"]http://www.nfl.com/players/chadpennington/...ts?id=PEN375096[/url][/quote]

Um, I would hope that an NFL QB throws the majority of his passes at least 10 yards.
Show us how many passes he has attempted of at least 20 yards, then maybe we'll doubt the talk that he's a dink n dunk QB.

[flynismo]

[quote name='codizzle' post='115163' date='Dec 31 2008, 01:12 AM']i was referring to just our straight up passing game as being the overall worst facet even though that notch would go to defending kickoffs and punt returns prolly[/quote]


I agree, mainly because our running game and defense has been so effective.
I think we COULD have a good passing game if we needed to.

[Ryan561]

I found this on the Dolphins forum.. Good REED!


[url="http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2008/12/is-this-where-s.html"]http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_footb...is-where-s.html[/url]

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='flynismo' post='115247' date='Dec 31 2008, 11:14 AM']Um, I would hope that an NFL QB throws the majority of his passes at least 10 yards.
Show us how many passes he has attempted of at least 20 yards, then maybe we'll doubt the talk that he's a dink n dunk QB.[/quote]

108 passes completed out of 157 from passes over 21 yards, 33 out of 49 for passes over 31 yards, 75 out of 108 for passes inbetween 21 and 31 yards.....

[soflaraven]

As I have said, Im also a Miami fan, and post on their messageboard. I have to tell you guys that I dont know if someone from here has been posting there, but they've been pretty classless. As well as in here, you guys have been pretty classless as well. FinFaninCali, came in here to talk football like he does every week on other team's messageboards, and you guys just started making fun of the Dolphins.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115253' date='Dec 31 2008, 11:35 AM']108 passes completed out of 157 from passes over 21 yards, 33 out of 49 for passes over 31 yards, 75 out of 108 for passes inbetween 21 and 31 yards..... [/quote]

For his career? lol...
j/k

Well then, looks like CP's rep is undeserved

[soflaraven]

Also, for the Wildcat. How many times do the Dolphins use them? Before last week, the Dolphins hadnt used it in consistently in a LONG time. When they played us the first time, it wasnt really a trick formation, it was the same as a conventional offense, only that Ronnie played QB, and handed it off to himself. I dont recall any trick plays. I recall Ronnie Brown running it straight at the defense, like in a normal offense.

Chad Pennington has been great this year. He has playoff experience, but we have one of the best defenses in the NFL, so I think we can stop him.

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='flynismo' post='115256' date='Dec 31 2008, 11:47 AM']For his career? lol...[/quote]

ohh you edited it, idk how to delete post

[flynismo]

[quote name='soflaraven' post='115255' date='Dec 31 2008, 11:41 AM']As I have said, Im also a Miami fan, and post on their messageboard. I have to tell you guys that I dont know if someone from here has been posting there, but they've been pretty classless. As well as in here, you guys have been pretty classless as well. FinFaninCali, came in here to talk football like he does every week on other team's messageboards, and you guys just started making fun of the Dolphins.[/quote]


Hey, I think what Miami has done is great. In fact, if we weren't also in the playoffs, I would be rooting for you guys.

I don't get the impression that the group as a whole was making fun of anyone...there are a few questionable comments that were made, but you kind of have to expect that anywhere you go, especially when our teams are about to go head to head in a playoff game.

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='soflaraven' post='115258' date='Dec 31 2008, 11:50 AM']Also, for the Wildcat. How many times do the Dolphins use them? Before last week, the Dolphins hadnt used it in consistently in a LONG time. When they played us the first time, it wasnt really a trick formation, it was the same as a conventional offense, only that Ronnie played QB, and handed it off to himself. I dont recall any trick plays. I recall Ronnie Brown running it straight at the defense, like in a normal offense.

Chad Pennington has been great this year. He has playoff experience, but we have one of the best defenses in the NFL, so I think we can stop him.[/quote]

Yes you are correct we used it 5 time and gained 4 yards. Dont expect that this week as the Dolphins will use every wrinkle,ted ginn end around reverse,flea flicker/ reverse to pennington throw/hell for the first time last week we saw ronnie throw it to our tightend right up the middle that would of been a touchdown for sure had it been completed.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

People need to stop being overconfident. The Fins learned from their mistakes, and I highly doubt that Sizzles will get another TD.

[DolphinsFTW]

I'm honestly glad that you guys think it's going to be an easy game.
It's going to be really fun talking about the game when its over, and seeing everybody's reactions.

I hope it's a clean game, though. No dirty hits and an injury free game is all I ask for from you guys. The rest we'll take.

[VA_Fan]

I like the comments that say if they get pressure on Flacco and put him on the ground, hell play like the rookie he is. Didn't they watch the Dallas game? After 5 sacks, Joe still remained poised moreso then the glory boy Romo.

[macbrak]

Heinz Ward plays on the Steelers. The most memorable dirty hit we've had this year was the head shot that wasn't in TN. I can't say it will be injury free, as we tend to hit RBs hard (but legally).

I'm glad your happy but I can't see us losing this. McGahee likes to run for his home crowd (as do a lot of others on our team from U Miami). Flacco's hitting his stride. The big D is looking bigger then ever. Good Luck! I can see an epic fail of rookie proportions happening but otherwise more of the same.

[Ronnie Brown # 23]

[quote name='macbrak' post='115271' date='Dec 31 2008, 12:23 PM']Heinz Ward plays on the Steelers. The most memorable dirty hit we've had this year was the head shot that wasn't in TN. I can't say it will be injury free, as we tend to hit RBs hard (but legally).

I'm glad your happy but I can't see us losing this. McGahee likes to run for his home crowd (as do a lot of others on our team from U Miami). [b]Flacco's hitting his stride[/b]. The big D is looking bigger then ever. Good Luck! I can see an epic fail of rookie proportions happening but otherwise more of the same.[/quote]

He's had one good month in November in which he threw more tds then interception, every other month he's thrown more ints then tds or the same amount so how exactly is he hitting his stride? Not to put him down as he's only a rookie and has done well for what he is and that's a ROOKIE. While you don't necessarly need a great qb to win a superbowl, you proved that in 2000 but having the worst of the 6 afc playoff teams certainly isn't something to be confident about. Lets not forget that the game you beat us was his best game of the year, atleast from what i see stats wise against a Dolphins team who didn't know who they are. I really don't get why Ravens fans are so confident when if you look at the stats, first downs,yardage,turnovers are all nearly the exact same, the difference was your running game in which not only were we missing our starting nose tackle but his backup was also out too. Yes i realize it's one player but when you play a 3-4 your nose tackle is probably the most important player of your front seven. It'll be a good game but the 30-10 predictions i doubt as it'll prolly be a very close game.

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[neepo13]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115253' date='Dec 31 2008, 11:35 AM']108 passes completed out of 157 from passes over 21 yards, 33 out of 49 for passes over 31 yards, 75 out of 108 for passes inbetween 21 and 31 yards..... [/quote]

I am not buying it. Your numbers dont factor in YAC. Even when you guys played us the first time, I dont remember Pennington throwing the ball longer then 10-15 yards for a completion. Every big gain you guys had came with long runs after the catch.

[soflaraven]

[quote name='neepo13' post='115438' date='Dec 31 2008, 06:32 PM']I am not buying it. Your numbers dont factor in YAC. Even when you guys played us the first time, I dont remember Pennington throwing the ball longer then 10-15 yards for a completion. Every big gain you guys had came with long runs after the catch.[/quote]
He's had a few 30 yard passes. Not YAC, but a real passes. He also had a few 20 yard passes last week

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115285' date='Dec 31 2008, 01:09 PM']He's had one good month in November in which he threw more tds then interception, every other month he's thrown more ints then tds or the same amount so how exactly is he hitting his stride? Not to put him down as he's only a rookie and has done well for what he is and that's a ROOKIE. While you don't necessarly need a great qb to win a superbowl, you proved that in 2000 but having the worst of the 6 afc playoff teams certainly isn't something to be confident about. Lets not forget that the game you beat us was his best game of the year, atleast from what i see stats wise against a Dolphins team who didn't know who they are. I really don't get why Ravens fans are so confident when if you look at the stats, first downs,yardage,turnovers are all nearly the exact same, the difference was your running game in which not only were we missing our starting nose tackle but his backup was also out too. Yes i realize it's one player but when you play a 3-4 your nose tackle is probably the most important player of your front seven. It'll be a good game but the 30-10 predictions i doubt as it'll prolly be a very close game.[/quote]

I am going to assume, you havent watched many Ravens games since they played the Dolphins. You want to look at numbers, how many teams with a winning record have the Dolphins beat this year? The Ravens are the better team because they are more battle tested. Their toughest division opponant is tougher then any other AFC east team. The NFC east and AFC south are much better divisions then the AFC or NFC west. The Ravens simply put have played and beat better teams then the Dolphins did this year. I dont want to be arrogant because I am a firm believer in any given Sunday but truth be told, I've never been more confident in the Ravens on the road in the playoffs. Yes they have their weakness but so do the Dolphins. The last few weeks of the season Mark Clayton has found a groove, he wasnt playing very well when we played you guys the first time. Our DB's are playing much better then they were in the last matchup and with you guys wr core, your going to have a very difficult time moving the ball on our defense. Our special teams is playing much better then it was before, we've won the field position battle the last few weeks and although, I wont pretend to be an expert on the Dolphins, I am very confident that we will continue to do that. By the stats these teams look evenly matched but they are NOT. I think if the Ravens played the Dolphins schedule and in vice versa their would be a distinct and noticeable difference between the two teams, stat wise. The Ravens numbers would look much better and the Dolphins numbers would look much worse.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Ronnie Brown # 23' post='115285' date='Dec 31 2008, 01:09 PM']He's had one good month in November in which he threw more tds then interception, every other month he's thrown more ints then tds or the same amount so how exactly is he hitting his stride? Not to put him down as he's only a rookie and has done well for what he is and that's a ROOKIE. While you don't necessarly need a great qb to win a superbowl, you proved that in 2000 but having the worst of the 6 afc playoff teams certainly isn't something to be confident about. Lets not forget that the game you beat us was his best game of the year, atleast from what i see stats wise against a Dolphins team who didn't know who they are. I really don't get why Ravens fans are so confident when if you look at the stats, first downs,yardage,turnovers are all nearly the exact same, the difference was your running game in which not only were we missing our starting nose tackle but his backup was also out too. Yes i realize it's one player but when you play a 3-4 your nose tackle is probably the most important player of your front seven. It'll be a good game but the 30-10 predictions i doubt as it'll prolly be a very close game.[/quote]
Stats are simply numbers on paper. The intangibles are what really count - team chemistry, cohesiveness and HEART are what really count. Ravens have the biggest heart and desire to win.

[soflaraven]

[quote name='neepo13' post='115442' date='Dec 31 2008, 06:45 PM']I am going to assume, you havent watched many Ravens games since they played the Dolphins. [b]You want to look at numbers, how many teams with a winning record have the Dolphins beat this year?[/b] The Ravens are the better team because they are more battle tested. Their toughest division opponant is tougher then any other AFC east team. The NFC east and AFC south are much better divisions then the AFC or NFC west. The Ravens simply put have played and beat better teams then the Dolphins did this year. I dont want to be arrogant because I am a firm believer in any given Sunday but truth be told, I've never been more confident in the Ravens on the road in the playoffs. Yes they have their weakness but so do the Dolphins. The last few weeks of the season Mark Clayton has found a groove, he wasnt playing very well when we played you guys the first time. Our DB's are playing much better then they were in the last matchup and with you guys wr core, your going to have a very difficult time moving the ball on our defense. Our special teams is playing much better then it was before, we've won the field position battle the last few weeks and although, I wont pretend to be an expert on the Dolphins, I am very confident that we will continue to do that. By the stats these teams look evenly matched but they are NOT. I think if the Ravens played the Dolphins schedule and in vice versa their would be a distinct and noticeable difference between the two teams, stat wise.[/quote]
The Dolphins are the best team we've beat. There's a thread about it

[macbrak]

Lies, stupid lies, and statistics. Our offense gets alot more help from the defense (#2 vrs. #15).

Flacco's last game is probably now his statistically best game. He may throw ints but we have +14 ratio overall. We also played against every one of the top 5 defenses to do this. At home we had the least about of points per game allowed for the entire year since 1964.

We don't need to rely on Flacco throwing it and don't, we're also the #4 running team. Pennington is a better QB this year.

You can sell whatever you want on how great the fins are but I'm not buying it. They deserve to be in the playoffs and are a good team, but the Ravens are a better overall package.