January Joe

[Ed_Reed20]

Not sure if anyone has shared this article on this topic, but it's one of the best articles primarily on Joe I've read. To me, you can't put his regular season numbers in proper context without addressing factors like system and surrounding personnel but that's another debate. Simmons killed this article for the most part.  

 

The Tale of Two Flaccos

[gooftroop]

Dude are you sharing an account with your brother or something?

My response still stands. Absurd to blame him for being aggressive in that situation, i.e. for taking a shot any QB worth their salt takes because we see it all the time, every Sunday. It is a play that won us a SB.

 

I mean what part of "Joe's aggressive play is the only reason we even had a chance to win that game so to then blame him for being aggressive in that situation is absurd." is not registering? Which is exactly what you're doing by blaming him for taking that shot. It is exactly what I said. smh

It would only "register" if it was relevant to this particular play- which it's not. At some point you have to judge a decision by the situation and by the results, not by some vague "that's what got us here" blather. But, hey, if you're satisfied, so be it. Not much else to discuss, I figure.

[gooftroop]

If Joe never threw into coverage he would never throw.

Well, sure, he's always throwing into coverage. Sometimes that coverage is good, sometimes not. My point is why roll the dice at that point in the game? I think at some point a better option could have presented itself.

[arnie_uk]

Well, sure, he's always throwing into coverage. Sometimes that coverage is good, sometimes not. My point is why roll the dice at that point in the game? I think at some point a better option could have presented itself.

if they didn't want him to roll the dice they shouldn't have sent Torrey deep. Flacco throws the when he's is matched one on one every single time. If your blaming anyone from taking a shot blame kubes, blAme Flacco for not having accurate enough placement ie closer to the sideline and blame Torrey for inexcusably not making a play on the ball.

Torrey Imo shoulders most, then joe for the poor throw then kubes for calligraphy a route he knows Flacco is going to throw every time.

[Hardbaugh]

Looks like Gooftroop may have taken over for me at the top of the Flacco bashing mantle.

 

I don't blame Flacco for throwing the ball , I would have liked to see him use his head/eyes to draw the safety to the opposite side for atleast a few steps.  That said, without the stellar play of Joe in this game they wouldn't even have been in that position.

 

Putting any blame on Flacco for this game would be akin to blaming your cleanup hitter for striking out and losing the game after he knocked three out of the park in previous at bats. 

 

If you play that game------------------->There's some blame to go around but Joe should be one of the last on the staff  or starting units to get it.

[ratedr]

If Hardbaugh says you're blaming Joe too much...you should listen LOL

[1/28/01]

Looks like Gooftroop may have taken over for me at the top of the Flacco bashing mantle.

I don't blame Flacco for throwing the ball , I would have liked to see him use his head/eyes to draw the safety to the opposite side for atleast a few steps. That said, without the stellar play of Joe in this game they wouldn't even have been in that position.

Putting any blame on Flacco for this game would be akin to blaming your cleanup hitter for striking out and losing the game after he knocked three out of the park in previous at bats.

If you play that game------------------->There's some blame to go around but Joe should be one of the last on the staff or starting units to get it.

Who are you and what have you done with Hardbaugh?!?!?

[Tank 92]

WHAAAAT!!!!

[K-Dog]

Well, sure, he's always throwing into coverage. Sometimes that coverage is good, sometimes not. My point is why roll the dice at that point in the game? I think at some point a better option could have presented itself.

Because we were loosing ?

[arnie_uk]

Looks like Gooftroop may have taken over for me at the top of the Flacco bashing mantle.

I don't blame Flacco for throwing the ball , I would have liked to see him use his head/eyes to draw the safety to the opposite side for atleast a few steps. That said, without the stellar play of Joe in this game they wouldn't even have been in that position.

Putting any blame on Flacco for this game would be akin to blaming your cleanup hitter for striking out and losing the game after he knocked three out of the park in previous at bats.

If you play that game------------------->There's some blame to go around but Joe should be one of the last on the staff or starting units to get it.

excatly this. End of discussion.

[Militant X 1]

Looks like Gooftroop may have taken over for me at the top of the Flacco bashing mantle.

 

I don't blame Flacco for throwing the ball , I would have liked to see him use his head/eyes to draw the safety to the opposite side for atleast a few steps.  That said, without the stellar play of Joe in this game they wouldn't even have been in that position.

 

Putting any blame on Flacco for this game would be akin to blaming your cleanup hitter for striking out and losing the game after he knocked three out of the park in previous at bats. 

 

If you play that game------------------->There's some blame to go around but Joe should be one of the last on the staff  or starting units to get it.

 

That's my thoughts on that final play as well.  Joe starred Torrey down from the time he received the snap and it gave the safety plenty of time to break on the ball.  I would have loved to see the Ravens run the ball to run the clock down some more before scoring the game winning TD.  However, with that said; Joe played extremely well!  Proud of his performance.

[flynismo]

If Hardbaugh says you're blaming Joe too much...you should listen LOL

LMAO....you know you have reached a new level of ridiculousness with the Flacco hate when Hardbaugh is offended by your comments

[gooftroop]

Looks like Gooftroop may have taken over for me at the top of the Flacco bashing mantle.

I don't blame Flacco for throwing the ball , I would have liked to see him use his head/eyes to draw the safety to the opposite side for atleast a few steps. That said, without the stellar play of Joe in this game they wouldn't even have been in that position.

Putting any blame on Flacco for this game would be akin to blaming your cleanup hitter for striking out and losing the game after he knocked three out of the park in previous at bats.

If you play that game------------------->There's some blame to go around but Joe should be one of the last on the staff or starting units to get it.

I'm a huge fan of Joe- read my posts up until now. Made that play all the worse, for me...

[ravensdfan]

All the blather about "The Play" aside, they need to figure out the formula. We need to see more of January Joe in the months from September through December.

I don't care if they hypnotize him and ring a bell before each game so he thinks it's a playoff game - just figure it out and get it done.

[redrum52]

All the blather about "The Play" aside, they need to figure out the formula. We need to see more of January Joe in the months from September through December.

I don't care if they hypnotize him and ring a bell before each game so he thinks it's a playoff game - just figure it out and get it done.

Exactly. Would be nice if the playoffs went thru M&T once in while.

[gooftroop]

Because we were loosing ?

Well, I guess anything goes, then. Even with second-and-five, two minutes and one timeout left, the ball on the Pat's 40-yard-line, and an offense that's moved the ball well all day. I misunderstood...

[arnie_uk]

Well, I guess anything goes, then. Even with second-and-five, two minutes and one timeout left, the ball on the Pat's 40-yard-line, and an offense that's moved the ball well all day. I misunderstood...

the same offense that dropped a sure fire td the drive before, or had to covert a clutch 4th and long to even get in that position?

Anything can go wrong. Drop,sack, penalty etc. If you can score you score. End of.

[Bltravens]

Don't know how you're hating on the 2nd INT, he threw it too far inside but the decision was fine.  The first one was a far worse throw and decision in my mind.

[PurpleCity5]

Maybe off topic, I find it ridiculous and silly as to how Mathew Stafford could be in the Pro Bowl over Joe. Just silly. 

[StingerNLG]

Maybe off topic, I find it ridiculous and silly as to how Mathew Stafford could be in the Pro Bowl over Joe. Just silly.

Popularity

[ratedr]

Maybe off topic, I find it ridiculous and silly as to how Mathew Stafford could be in the Pro Bowl over Joe. Just silly.

His numbers (that those fantasy nerds care about so much) weren't even better than Joe's. But as was stated, the Pro Bowl is a junk popularity contest.

[beasy2487]

whoa... http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-10-types-of-nfl-quarterbacks/?ex_cid=espnFB

 

Essentially uses QBR to lump Flacco in with clutch names like Griffin, Newton, and Garrard. Imo just further proves the point that Flacco is an anomaly. January Joe is the most dangerous man in football.

[ratedr]

whoa... http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-10-types-of-nfl-quarterbacks/?ex_cid=espnFB

 

Essentially uses QBR to lump Flacco in with clutch names like Griffin, Newton, and Garrard. Imo just further proves the point that Flacco is an anomaly. January Joe is the most dangerous man in football.

That's why analysts hate him, he consistently shows how irrelevant their advanced stats are.

[flynismo]

That's why analysts hate him, he consistently shows how irrelevant their advanced stats are.

Pretty much. Nobody likes to be so very wrong when they take such a strong stance

[ratedr]

Pretty much. Nobody likes to be so very wrong when they take such a strong stance

It's the same with Eli. It's also why Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford still get praised despite accomplishing a absolutely nothing. With the current NFC landscape I think Ryan especially has missed his Super Bowl window.

[flynismo]

It's the same with Eli. It's also why Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford still get praised despite accomplishing a absolutely nothing. With the current NFC landscape I think Ryan especially has missed his Super Bowl window.

Not that I ever imagined a day when Ryan would be hoisting a Lombardi, but you are absolutely right...Ryan's best chance is behind him now.

[gooftroop]

the same offense that dropped a sure fire td the drive before, or had to covert a clutch 4th and long to even get in that position?

Anything can go wrong. Drop,sack, penalty etc. If you can score you score. End of.

Don't you know that "end of" means you're afraid of further discussion? Well, you should be...

[gooftroop]

Don't know how you're hating on the 2nd INT, he threw it too far inside but the decision was fine.  The first one was a far worse throw and decision in my mind.

I don't know how not not liking a decision is "hating"-seems like an overreaction. Anyway, the repercussion from pick #2 was far worse than from pick #1. But I guess you're a style points guy.

[redrum52]

I don't know how not not liking a decision is "hating"-seems like an overreaction. Anyway, the repercussion from pick #2 was far worse than from pick #1. But I guess you're a style points guy.

Fighting a losing battle my friend. Good luck though.

[StingerNLG]

I'll say this. Joe Flacco continues to prove how elite of a QB he is. 4 years, 4 offensive coordinators and how many QB coaches?  And yet still continues to win and get a Super Bowl ring through it all.

 

How about we start taking this into account when we talk about January Joe vs. regular season Joe.