Wild Card Post-Game: Steeler's G3

[berad]

Well, there probably was. We don't even know that it was his head that was the problem... basically just speculating what the injury was.

 

Speculating, as well

 

Especially when Roethlisberger holds his head, squeezes the bridge of his nose, but comes back with a 'neck injury'

 

Melvin went in for concussion protocol when he was down.

[rmcjacket23]

Heath took a head to head shot from Mosley, was down for a minute, he held his head at one point, and he looked dazed. That's a concussion.

Except both came off the field, were evaluated by team medical personnel, and according to them nether exhibited any symptoms of a concussion.

 

Neither went through the NFL's concussion protocol (which is not up to the team by the way... it is evaluated by an independent doctor).

 

My question was specific... what fans have the medical education and resume to dictate the proper protocols and symptoms moreso than the people on the field who are in the business of doing such things?

[AsianRice]

A little late to the party but I've had a smile on my face since the Suggs knee-ception and the offense went out and Flacco threw that TD to Gilmore.

 

Finally exorcised that demon.

 

Awesome on so many levels, made the weekend great.

 

edit - also, Roethlisberger and Miller definitely had concussions but didn't go through the protocol and ran right back out with 'neck injuries', I lol'd.

lol...I was like what? so you can't handle the spanking the Ravens laying on you huh? lol

[rmcjacket23]

Speculating, as well

 

Especially when Roethlisberger holds his head, squeezes the bridge of his nose, but comes back with a 'neck injury'

 

Melvin went in for concussion protocol when he was down.

True, but there's also photographs and video of both players being looked at by team medical personnel. I suppose what they were discussing could be viewed as "speculation", but something tells me they weren't discussing the latest fashion trends.

[berad]

True, but there's also photographs and video of both players being looked at by team medical personnel. I suppose what they were discussing could be viewed as "speculation", but something tells me they weren't discussing the latest fashion trends.

 

Sure, treated for 'neck injuries'.

[rmcjacket23]

Sure, treated for 'neck injuries'.

Correct, whiplash to be specific in Ben's case.

 

Whether fans believe it or not doesn't matter in the slightest.

[rmw10]

Working in health care, I see concussions walk through the door all the time, and I've had a couple myself.  Obviously, I wasn't on the sidelines so I'm just speculating on what I was able to see.  I'm not a doctor or nurse, but I've worked in hospitals and ambulatory settings, so I've seen this stuff walk in.  Heath Miller, from my view, was dazed.  You could see it in his eyes immediately.  Ben, on the other hand, didn't really show the signs of a concussion.  I'm sure it sucked that his head bounced, but he didn't show the signs you immediately look for.  Neck injuries though?  That's bull.

[berad]

Except both came off the field, were evaluated by team medical personnel, and according to them nether exhibited any symptoms of a concussion.

 

Neither went through the NFL's concussion protocol (which is not up to the team by the way... it is evaluated by an independent doctor).

 

My question was specific... what fans have the medical education and resume to dictate the proper protocols and symptoms moreso than the people on the field who are in the business of doing such things?

 

The independent doctor tells the team they "MAY" have to look at it. Lot of gray area:

 

 

To assist the medical teams on game day, there is now an "eye in the sky"[,] a certified athletic trainer sitting in a stadium box who watches the game and television replays to scan the field and look for players with a potential head injury who may require assessment by the medical staff.

 

Players who are suspected of suffering a concussion are assessed by their teamâs medical staff. The team physician first reviews a six-item checklist outlining findings that necessitate a player's immediate removal from the game. This checklist includes the more obvious symptoms of concussion: loss of consciousness, unresponsiveness, confusion, amnesia and other concerning symptoms. The team doctor then administers the rest of the sideline concussion assessment tool in order to further assess for concussion.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000253716/article/nfls-2013-protocol-for-players-with-concussions

 

The independent doctor (a different one) will only get involved if the Steelers say the player has a concussion. Otherwise, it's all on the teams medical staff. If they say he's good to go, he's back on the field.

 

Now to the "may" part... can the Steelers disregard the independent trainers suggestion? If so, are there consequences? The article goes on to say the concussion test takes 8-12 min, Roethlisberger and Miller were back faster than that. Was the independent guy asleep at the wheel. Anytime there's an injury timeout on a hit to the head, where the players stay down and look groggy, shouldn't they suggest to look for concussions?

[berad]

Correct, whiplash to be specific in Ben's case.

 

Whether fans believe it or not doesn't matter in the slightest.

 

Ok, then why the big fuss to refute it if you agree that you're just speculating, too?

[rmcjacket23]

Ok, then why the big fuss to refute it if you agree that you're just speculating, too?

For the exact opposite reason as the big fuss for people to be 100% certain (with no medical training or any realistic basis for their assessment) that both players had concussions and that the Steelers should be fined for not following proper protocol, which again, as you just agreed, is pure speculation.

 

You're going to need to ask several other people what the "big fuss" is all about, because for me, this was a non-issue 2 minutes after it happened.

 

This really has nothing to do with whether either of those players had concussions or not. If we were playing the Jaguars, nobody would care.

 

Its simply a product of fan bashing against the Steelers (which I support, though sometimes just goes way over the top) and the mythical notion that the Steelers get preferential treatment from the NFL.

[codizzle]

https://twitter.com/fauxjohnmadden/status/553241621253197825

^^ just freaking watch it

John harbaugh is a boss

[cursona pirate]

Lol a friend from college shared a picture talking about the amount of total Patriots playoff wins under Brady. I just post a link of Joe Flacco winning stats.

[cursona pirate]

https://twitter.com/fauxjohnmadden/status/553241621253197825

^^ just freaking watch it

John harbaugh is a boss

Thats awesome. Go Ravens I love how nobody picks us ever.

[StingerNLG]

https://twitter.com/fauxjohnmadden/status/553241621253197825

^^ just freaking watch it

John harbaugh is a boss

 

That is fantastic!   And then walks away from him.

[ellicottraven]

I am so over kicking the Steelers butts; now it's onto kicking some softer butt in NE!

[darklight1216]

This part of the Byrne Identity was interesting.

just after 2 a.m. Sunday, and some of the coaches went directly to our Under Armour Performance Center to start the preparation for the Patriots. Truth be told, some of the coaches were doing that at our hotel in Pittsburgh during the day on Saturday.

It makes me wonder if they were just that confident that they would win or if that is just something that everyone does all the time in the league... well you know, the best 12.

[codizzle]

This part of the Byrne Identity was interesting.

It makes me wonder if they were just that confident that they would win or if that is just something that everyone does all the time in the league... well you know, the best 12.

I've read that before somewhere... Makes sense.. Have someone dedicated to planning for the following week already since the gameplan is already set and delivered for Pitt game.. Not surprising and something every team would do

Have some tape/info prepared for NE before the Pitt game would allow the coaches to have info in hands literally right after the Pitt game and leaves no dead time