Perhaps the Harbaugh era needs to come to an end?

[Raving_Heathen]

...and sadly...Scott Farkus (aka Andy Dalton) and the Bengals...have beaten Denver...

 

Peyton was the MVP for Cincy though... 4 INTs... way to go old man.

[EAP-2K10]

...yes...Harbs is a "good HC" ... Flacco is a "good QB"...Ravens are a "good football team"...Happy with that? ...not me...I want the Ravens to be great! Don't want to pretend....

[Bryden88]

Okay. Let's fire the coach, and get a HC that leads us to 3 straight 8-8 seasons. Better yet, lets get rid of Flacco.

 

Will you be happy when we go 2-14?

[EAP-2K10]

...but see you next Sunday...Let's Go Ravens!!!

[Raving_Heathen]

...yes...Harbs is a "good HC" ... Flacco is a "good QB"...Ravens are a "good football team"...Happy with that? ...not me...

 

 I guess the point is that I think we have the pieces every year to win another SB. Can probably only say that about maybe 5-7 other teams from year to year...

 

Don't get me wrong though. I'm not a fan of Harbaugh and his situational mediocrity/bumbling nor his condescending pressers. I just don't think he makes much of a difference overall one way or the other.

[HazDaGeneral]

I read everybody responses, but its a two things I will like to point out just from my point of view.....#1 this team is on the verge of not making the playoffs two years in a row.....i say since ray and ed has left, it seems like this team lacks leadership and discipline.....Harbs is a good coach but i think personally the only reason him and flacco has that good track record is mainly because of ed and ray, they were the leaders and coaches......#2 i see people saying that many teams would kill for the production of Harbs, but if we dont make it to the playoffs this year, then when do you start thinking is he the coach for going forward.....just because we finished with records of 500 or more the last two seasons doesn't mean nothing.....and to be quite frank, i wins came mostly against bad teams this year.....matter of fact the whole nfc south who is terrible.....

[ratedr]

Ask Chicago how much better they are after firing a 10-6 coach.

[ravensdfan]

this is just a discussion,no need to get angry, I am that couch QB when I am not at the game(living in atlanta from west baltimore) As a fan yes I do expect the best and I do trust the  FO and their decisions so I am down with the RAVENS.

 but look at the point that is made,

    Last year we gave HARB a pass,but we had 2-4 games we should have won,,FACT

    this year no difference we have games we should have won FACT

you 2 have many post here,this is just a question.When  should we start to expect more?

 If you look at his after game media address it's the same thing.come on guys.

last year we went down to the wire needing help this year down to the wire needing help.

Did you hear suggs wired,he said in the beginning all he cared about was stats and probowls,in 2006 his mindset changed he wanted wins. Now I am not saying Harb just want stats, but to me allot of people here talk about his wins (happy for the wins) but is about more.AS a head coach if your team is starting slow go to you OC and make him change up.HARB will not do it cause well it does not matter my personnel views.  you 2 hall of famers I am not advocating fire anybody but he has a point. 

lol you mistake sarcasm for anger.

 

There are things I dislike about Harbaugh, one of which I am not even certain is his fault. He seems not to challenge when he should and challenge when he shouldn't. Fairly positive that decision comes from the booth, so that might not even be on him.

 

I think he sometimes calls timeouts without thinking about what he is doing and wastes them.

 

I can't say he tells his coaches things - I'm not there on the sidelines for the entire game. Thing is, you can't say he doesn't either cuz neither are you.

 

Coaches are human and they will make mistakes. Saying this or that was a mistake, hey , that's fair. Saying to move on from a winning coach because of one game, not even logical. Even if you are talking about missing the playoffs for two seasons (which not even a certainty yet this season) they weren't losing seasons.

[Guest Omerta]

I personally think the dude is a mediocre at best coach, I don't think he is great or even good, but I don't think he is bad. He has some good qualities, but to ignore the fact that he has terrible ones is equally ridiculous.

 

The question being should he be fired ? No. At least not yet, I would have to see two more crap seasons before I say something like that. I think we were gutted after the SB and naturally we had to rebuild. With the way the last couple of drafts have been and if Ozzie hits another one like he did this time, I think it is going to be hard to argue that we are not talented enough. I think that Harbs should get one year to get this group and next years rookies on board and then 2 seasons from now it is produce or your gone. I don't think 4 years is unreasonable to as a team to rebuild when your GM is Ozzie Newsome personally.

 

Also if you fire him, who do you bring in ? I would take  several HC's over harbaugh, but none are available nor will be so it is a mere pipe dream. The only 2 candidates I can think of that are available that I would consider is Wade Phillips and Ray Horton, but I would like them better in DC roles than anything.

[HazDaGeneral]

Ask Chicago how much better they are after firing a 10-6 coach.

nooooo it wasn't the coach firing, thats the jay cutler effect 

[StingerNLG]

...yea, yea...I know the stats...problem is the play has been mediocre (with some exceptions which the Ravens were lucky to win those games) and we fans are supposed to except as great football...point is (and you will learn this when you grow up)...when you are a manager of men and those men don't produce and worse you loose the ability to control their production...

...it's time to make a change...

 

What matters more to you.   Flashy stats or wins?  

 

And who do you bring in?  Who of the current crop of upcoming losers who are going to get fired because they couldn't make it on their own teams are you bringing in to replace a Super Bowl winning coach who has never had a losing season?

 

Why don't you ask the Chicago Bears how great things are after they fired Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season.

 

And what "production" has stopped?   This team is riddled with injury, had to deal with the Ray Rice crap, losing their pro-bowl DL to a suspension at the worst time, and yet somehow this team has 9 wins and still has a chance to win 10 and get into the playoffs with a little help.   We hear time and again from players how inspiring John Harbaugh is in the locker room, and how much respect the players have for him.  

 

And you want to throw that away because we missed the playoffs?   I just can't even.

[omar586]

1. Obvious overreaction.

 

2. Technically, they are heading in the right direction. Last season we won 8 games, and this season we will have won at least 9 and probably 10. That, by definition, is heading in the right direction. There is nobody that would argue that the 2014 Ravens are worse or even equal to the 2013 Ravens... they are better, and better in almost every aspect of football (except probably the secondary).

 

The only REAL problem is fan expectations, which have become unreasonable. You expect an 8-8, clearly rebuilding franchise coming off a SB victory to get back to the dance two years later.

 

What that is, quite simply, is a FAN problem, not a Ravens problem.

 

If you want to be a realistic fan, its time to realize one simple truth... wholesale changes aren't coming. Again, that's a fan expectation problem, not a Ravens problem.

cant agree more.

[I AM LEGEND]

I just want consistency.

Even if it's consistently bad...just be consistent.

Don't score 30 pts and look capable one week only to struggle to put up 7 the next. This has been the Ravens m.o. and it's beyond frustrating.

[HazDaGeneral]

I just want consistency.

Even if it's consistently bad...just be consistent.

Don't score 30 pts and look capable one week only to struggle to put up 7 the next. This has been the Ravens m.o. and it's beyond frustrating.

EXACTLY!!!! Thats what people keep missing is that we come out and look like we ready to take on the world and then go up against the texans and look like we a college team thats not ready for the big leagues

[HazDaGeneral]

I just want consistency.

Even if it's consistently bad...just be consistent.

Don't score 30 pts and look capable one week only to struggle to put up 7 the next. This has been the Ravens m.o. and it's beyond frustrating.

Aye man I didnt mean to give you a neg, i was trying to give you a plus, but i dont know how to remove the neg and change it, so my fault 

[ratedr]

nooooo it wasn't the coach firing, thats the jay cutler effect

Cutler was there when they were 10-6.

[StingerNLG]

I just want consistency.

Even if it's consistently bad...just be consistent.

Don't score 30 pts and look capable one week only to struggle to put up 7 the next. This has been the Ravens m.o. and it's beyond frustrating.

 

Points scored this year:

 

Week 1 - 16

Week 2 - 26

Week 3 - 23

Week 4 - 38

Week 5 - 13

Week 6 - 48

Week 7 - 29

Week 8 - 24

Week 9 - 23

Week 10 - 21

Week 11- 34

Week 12 - 33

Week 13 - 28

Week 14 - 20

Week 15 - 13

 

So, two weeks out of the entire year scoring under 15 points, and no weeks scoring 7.

 

I'm failing to see this M.O. you are talking about.

[PoeDinkum]

I'd say, it's more like "How does Harbaugh reassess his efficacy as coach so that he doesn't find himself out of a job in a few years?"

 

From what I saw last weekend either this team just hit the wall due to injuries and off the field issues and he managed to hold them together for that long, OR when push came to shove his "4 fights" message fell flat with vet leadership and/or most players to create the kind of intensity necessary for the final push.

 

Hate to say it, but last year's "push" in weeks 16 and 17 looked pretty lackluster, too.

 

Seems to me Harbs has been the right man for the job since being hired, BUT these last two years have to serve as a wake up call. He must take a page out of his "W.I.N" philosophy to ensure that moving forward he gathers and inspires the right mix of players (and coaches) with discipline, empathy, and brilliance to build a team that plays for one another to achieve big things.

[52520Andrew]

Not a single losing season under Harbaugh including multiple trips to the playoffs and the AFC Championship game and a Super Bowl win. I think we just need to reload on talent as our core went after 2012 and we are in the process of gathering a new one.

[codizzle]

Man just be happy you have money to spend on something you love..

It's a chore every week just to find somewhere to watch the games let alone go to them

[SomeCreepinaVan]

How about we draft some WR and TE in the first 2 rounds.

[757RavensFan]

...oh and just so I am not misunderstood...I'm not expecting SB, playoffs or even wins...I just want to see good football from the Ravens...not just the 3 point wins...

I would have loved a 3 point win this year vs SD, CIN, and/or HOU right about now. You're not going to win every game by a blow out. The best games are the competitive ones.

[757RavensFan]

All things considered, I think Harbs did a good job holding this team together considering everything that went on this season. Losing; Rice, multiple starters due to injury, and Ngata this team had every reason to fold up shop. But they somehow held it together and have an opportunity to be 2 wins better than last season. That's progress dude! Typically 10-6 will get you in the post season. Unfortunately, it may not happen this year.

[Inqui]

Man just be happy you have money to spend on something you love..

It's a chore every week just to find somewhere to watch the games let alone go to them

Preach it. I get up at 7am every Monday (5am before the end of DST) and would make some horrible deals with Bill Belichick the devil to even go to two games every year.

 

As for whether we should fire Harbaugh, there are probably 15 teams that would make similar deals to have his seven-year record. We've missed the playoffs once, at most twice, with an 8-8 and 9-7/10-6 record. This season literally every single cornerback has missed time (aside from a freshly promoted practice squad guy) and the OL was one of the worst in league history for a string of reasons that have mostly been ironed out since.

 

And you guys think that's not good enough? If you want to be a fan of a team that fires its coaching staff after ever other 8-8 season go become a Browns fan - but even they're starting to get the idea. This is clearly an obscenely spoiled fanbase.

[Tank 92]

I'd say, it's more like "How does Harbaugh reassess his efficacy as coach so that he doesn't find himself out of a job in a few years?"

 

From what I saw last weekend either this team just hit the wall due to injuries and off the field issues and he managed to hold them together for that long, OR when push came to shove his "4 fights" message fell flat with vet leadership and/or most players to create the kind of intensity necessary for the final push.

 

Hate to say it, but last year's "push" in weeks 16 and 17 looked pretty lackluster, too.

 

Seems to me Harbs has been the right man for the job since being hired, BUT these last two years have to serve as a wake up call. He must take a page out of his "W.I.N" philosophy to ensure that moving forward he gathers and inspires the right mix of players (and coaches) with discipline, empathy, and brilliance to build a team that plays for one another to achieve big things.

.......this is spot on. I think while Harbs has done a great job in holding the team together this year in the face of one issue after the other, a reassessment of "the mix" needs to happen to put the ship back in the channel. Good post.

[Gordo52]

*enters Ravens talk*

*leaves Ravens talk*

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

Wow-

Jimmy Smith back in the line up and things are very different. Do you really think Keenum would burn Jimmy for the passes that he got off Sunday? Imagine if our secondary wasn't made up of 3rd and 4th string left overs. Major injury issues this year and your going for Harbs????

I hear they are talking the same way up in Green Bay. From what I am hearing McCarthy has his head on a platter right now for that loss in Buffalo. Yup, they are riding him out of town for poor performance.

Wait, wait, no, no they're not. Play off spot clinched and McCarthy is fine. Funny how winning shut ups silly banter about firing talented and capable people!

[jimmypowder]

I am a devote Ravens fan, but I am disgusted at the level of play...tired of status quo, tired of three point wins, tired of multi-score losses...tired of the endless excuses...tired of being told it is what it is and accept it...tired of spending thousands of dollars on this crap every year...sometimes change (albeit painful) is necessary in order to move forward...Let's face it...Harbs/Ravens are heading in the wrong direction..

 

You are overreacting. We have been injury plagued this season ,particularly in the secondary. If we had two decent corners,we beat San Diego and  win one of the Cincy games. that would put us at 12-4 if we beat the Browns on Sunday.

[rmcjacket23]

...lot of good responses from you all who are so happy with mediocre play and coaching...and yea...if that doesn't change, that PSL will be sold...yea I am a fan who expects more...actually I expect the best..."a fan problem"...you're kidding right?

Take a look around the league and see what actual "mediocre play" looks like.

 

Sell the PSL.then... there's certainly no shortage of people who will gladly buy it.

 

Yes, its a fan problem. Part of being a fan is actually being realistic. It'd be hard to argue you're a realistic fan at this point.

[rmcjacket23]

I just want consistency.

Even if it's consistently bad...just be consistent.

Don't score 30 pts and look capable one week only to struggle to put up 7 the next. This has been the Ravens m.o. and it's beyond frustrating.

Can you literally name another NFL team that is actually "consistent"? I can't, and neither can anybody else.

 

If you were to macro it and say "well the Patriots make the playoffs every season", then yes, I guess they'd be "consistent". But then again, if you actually watch their team play on a weekly basis, you'd see they clearly aren't consistent.

 

This notion of "consistency" isn't really a Ravens problem... its an NFL basic factoid. In the NFL, even the best teams don't play their best every week, and the best teams typically lose at least 2-3 games a season.

 

Frankly, the very well the NFL is designed makes it borderline impossible for any team to be consistent.