Hard to Argue w/Ravens' 1st 2 Picks in this year's draft but.......

[Pats]

True, but we still need an elite receiver soon. Our receivers were passable 3 years ago, but no longer. The league and rules demand high flying passing attacks. The only time we look to be flying high is against teams picking in the top 5 in the draft. 

Yeah that's true so in that case since the ravens don't need one or 2 good needs, they should trade their first and second rounders to stock pile a lot of 3rd round and 4th rounders and maybe a late 2nd and just grab any decent TE,WR,OL and CBs they can. There's always teams willing to give up a lot of picks just for a first rounder. Last year the vikings gave us 3 picks for our first rounder alone.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Yeah that's true so in that case since the ravens don't need one or 2 good needs, they should trade their first and second rounders to stock pile a lot of 3rd round and 4th rounders and maybe a late 2nd and just grab any decent TE,WR,OL and CBs they can. There's always teams willing to give up a lot of picks just for a first rounder. Last year the vikings gave us 3 picks for our first rounder alone.

 

My hope for the secondary is healthy Jimmy Smith and Lardarius Webb, with Terrence Brooks learning free safety. Matt Elam needs to figure out strong safety because he's been close to a bust so far. IF we can at least sort corner, that will help a lot, and we do have good guys in the system already - they're just not healthy.

 

I would be happy to let any receiver walk. T. Smith is too one dimensional for my liking, and seems allergic to contact, or running anything other than a hook, curl, or 9 route. Give me a physical receiver who is 6'3" plus, and wants to deliver punishment! 

[Tru11]

StingerNLG, on 23 Dec 2014 - 04:35 AM, said:

And I don't understand people who want to keep our team mediocre where it needs to be better.  To each his own I guess.

 

this mediocre team had more succes then the team you wished we where lol

 

also you cant get better in 1 area without getting worse somewhere else.

 

its the whole point of why there is a salary cap.

 

why people cant grasp this concept is beyond me....

[Tru11]

I see you're easily impressed

well show me which draft class did better or what you think is impressive.

TO is 2nd on the ALL-time receiving list

Harrison is 7th.

having both of them in the same draft class is as impressive as it gets.

Heck having 3 HOF worthy WR in 1 draft class is as impressive as it gets.

you are arguing this draft class will net 4 HOF WRs ?

[Drew P]

Why couldn't we run a 1 TE, 3 WR, 1 back offense? Not to mention having somebody that could come in for Smith Sr when they were running 2 WR 2 Back 1 TE or 2 WR 2 TE 1 Back sets would be nice as well. Smith Sr is clearly gassed, breaking down, or lacks the motivation when not playing against NFC south teams.

 

They really need to put Smith in the slot as a # 3 like the Cows do with Beasley. He has no business being the primary target neither does Torrey. Experiment a little by lining up Brown or Aiken as the primary who knows.. but I do know what they are doing now isnt effective.

[Moderator 3]

this mediocre team had more succes then the team you wished we where lol

 

also you cant get better in 1 area without getting worse somewhere else.

 

its the whole point of why there is a salary cap.

 

why people cant grasp this concept is beyond me....

The salary cap and the draft order are both designed to make every team 8-8. Any time we beat that, we've been successful.

[StingerNLG]

this mediocre team had more succes then the team you wished we where lol

 

also you cant get better in 1 area without getting worse somewhere else.

 

its the whole point of why there is a salary cap.

 

why people cant grasp this concept is beyond me....

 

Then you are ok with the way this season has gone?  

 

And you are suggesting a #1 WR on this team would not have been a difference?

[Tru11]

StingerNLG, on 23 Dec 2014 - 3:45 PM, said:

Then you are ok with the way this season has gone?  

 

And you are suggesting a #1 WR on this team would not have been a difference?

 

Im not okay with how this season is seeming to end.

 

I know for a fact a #1 WR would have made a difference.

 

Im realistic enough to understand that #1 wr dont grow on trees and we dont have the cap to sign one , nor Ozzie is mad enough to trade for 1 and the draft is lottery where you have to be Lucky 1 falls in your lap.

 

the 3 #1 worthy WRs where all long gone before we picked and trading up would have cost way to much.

 

Id love to have a Dez bryant or julio jones.

Im against throwing away the future of this team for short term succes.

 

Im still waiting on the 1st to come up with a realistic option on how to acquire a #1 WR.

 

As of right now we can only hope 1 drops to us in the draft.

Since we are picking in the mid rounds again i have a hard time believing 1 would since they seem to go very early.

[Tru11]

The salary cap and the draft order are both designed to make every team 8-8. Any time we beat that, we've been successful.

 

its what im saying lol.

 

try explaining it to everyone wanting Dez bryant and such what the salary cap is and how we arent in the position to make huge moves.

[Alexir]

Yeah, I mean we have a DROY in Mosley and Timmy has been great. I am happy with them but I agree we need a WR. We will worry about that next year though as long as we get a great WR and not another Torrey Smith.  Not a shot at Torrey but he is a 4th round talent that we reached for. We need a game changer at WR or TE. We can't keep up with trying to develop limited talented individuals or kicking the tires of people at the end of their careers through FA.

[PurpleCity5]

Im not okay with how this season is seeming to end.

 

I know for a fact a #1 WR would have made a difference.

 

Im realistic enough to understand that #1 wr dont grow on trees and we dont have the cap to sign one , nor Ozzie is mad enough to trade for 1 and the draft is lottery where you have to be Lucky 1 falls in your lap.

 

the 3 #1 worthy WRs where all long gone before we picked and trading up would have cost way to much.

 

Id love to have a Dez bryant or julio jones.

Im against throwing away the future of this team for short term succes.

 

Im still waiting on the 1st to come up with a realistic option on how to acquire a #1 WR.

 

As of right now we can only hope 1 drops to us in the draft.

Since we are picking in the mid rounds again i have a hard time believing 1 would since they seem to go very early.

My guess is that I'm hoping Dorial-Green Beckham, Devin Funchess or Sammy Coates blow up their draft so that Jaelen Strong will be there for us. If we miss the playoffs I think we have a shot at Strong who just declared by the way. Also considering that Kansas City will be in our way. 

 

I can see us trading up with Miami maybe which won't be too big of a deal when you consider what we're going to be giving up. They pick close to our range if the season was to end today. 

[Dfence4champs2052]

well show me which draft class did better or what you think is impressive.

TO is 2nd on the ALL-time receiving list

Harrison is 7th.

having both of them in the same draft class is as impressive as it gets.

Heck having 3 HOF worthy WR in 1 draft class is as impressive as it gets.

you are arguing this draft class will net 4 HOF WRs ?

Pointless. Your whole argument is the group you posted is the best. I never said the 2014 was I quoted it. Pointless.

[PurpleCity5]

They really need to put Smith in the slot as a # 3 like the Cows do with Beasley. He has no business being the primary target neither does Torrey. Experiment a little by lining up Brown or Aiken as the primary who knows.. but I do know what they are doing now isnt effective.

If we were to have our fate decided with San Diego just blowing out K.C early on by half time. I'd say that we give Marlon Brown a huge work load and see what happens from there. Maybe he'll flash enough potential, IDK. Just a thought. 

[rmw10]

They really need to put Smith in the slot as a # 3 like the Cows do with Beasley. He has no business being the primary target neither does Torrey. Experiment a little by lining up Brown or Aiken as the primary who knows.. but I do know what they are doing now isnt effective.

 

Torrey is not a slot WR.  He doesn't run routes well enough.

[Dfence4champs2052]

in my Maury voice.....And that was a lie

LOL, yup. We're still waiting........

[PurpleCity5]

Torrey is not a slot WR.  He doesn't run routes well enough.

Yeah, honestly, this is kind of why I want Strong, a guy with a huge catching radius and size, combine that with Torrey on the other side with his speed and we got a pretty good group of guys. I'd say our WR's would be a threat to anyone. 

[Drew P]

Torrey is not a slot WR.  He doesn't run routes well enough.

 

I should have clarified- SR. SSS, ICE, hands of stone or whatever the hell his name is now and not Torrey.

[rmw10]

I should have clarified- SR. SSS, ICE, hands of stone or whatever the hell his name is now and not Torrey.

 

My mistake.  I read that wrong.  It's definitely tough having two Smiths playing the same position.  I see where you mentioned Torrey later in that sentence though.

[Tru11]

Dfence4champs2052, on 23 Dec 2014 - 8:58 PM, said:

Pointless. Your whole argument is the group you posted is the best. I never said the 2014 was I quoted it. Pointless.

 

you said the class i posted wasent impressive.

 

you still failed to produce an even more impressive class.

 

ill wait.

[jdynamite]

not really though.

we would had to reach for most and or trade up to get them.

none of them are really worth giving up mosley or jernigan at this point.(outside top 3)

 

 

also i think its the 1996 class that is labeld the best WR class ever:

Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn, Eddie Kennison, Marvin Harrison, Eric Moulds, Bobby Engram, Terrell Owens, Muhsin Muhammad, Amani Toomer, Jermaine Lewis, and Joe Horn

  

How? I see one HoFer on there but not much else.

You only see 1 HOFer?? T.Owens & M.Harrison that's 2. ( which one you leaving out ?). Other than them you have a ton of Pro Bowls, All Pro selections from Keyshawn, Moulds, Kennison, Muhammad, Horn, Glenn. Jermaine Lewis was key contributor to our Super Bowl dynamic return man. Also there was longevity and consistent production from these WRs.

[stampedehero]

It's just hard to look at all the WRs in this class that are just killing it this season. Looking at just the first two rounds, we had 3 go before we picked Mosley (Watkins, Evans, Beckam) and two after in the first round (Cooks, Benjamin).

 

Second round, three before us (M. Lee, J. Matthews, P. Richardson) and four after us (D.Adams, C. Latimer, A.Robinson, J. Landry). 

 

Both of our two picks have been impactful starters so there's no argument there. It's still just hard to reconcile how we missed out on the "best WR class in NFL history." Outside of Marlon Brown (I'm very high on him) I'm just not thrilled with our receiving corps. What could or should we have done????

Landry would have been awesome.  His work in LSU was stellar  The Dolphins now have someone who could concievably take over.  The guy is lights out.  

[stampedehero]

That's probably the best way to put it.  The closest thing we might have had to a "star" would have been a healthy Dennis Pitta.

Interesting views from both you and H8R. Pitta without that hip injury would have been the  "go to" guy.  If Jus had kept away from his fumbles and done more to proove himself after that first and only TD  I would add him in a latter conversation  

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Maybe my expectations are low, but I still think we have a pretty good receiving corp with Sr, Torrey, Marlon, Aiken, and Camp. Throw in Pitta, OD, and Juice, and things look really good on paper.

 

Regardless I don't think there's any Ravens fan that would give up Mosley for any of those receivers, even Beckham, and even with 20/20 hindsight.

With 20-20 hindsight,I wouldn't have given up Mosley for any of those WRs. I might have at draft tim

knowing we also needed a stud WR as much as a Linebacker to replace Ray. Rolando McClain might have

been adequate to fill that void. He seems to be having a pretty good season for someone who couldn't pass a physical. I think he wanted to start and saw the handwriting in the wall. He would be a

reserve in BMore once we drafted Mosley. Oh well!

Its too bad football isn't played on paper. The 1969 Baltimore Colts looked strong on paper too.

[jdynamite]

not really though.

we would had to reach for most and or trade up to get them.

none of them are really worth giving up mosley or jernigan at this point.(outside top 3)

 

 

also i think its the 1996 class that is labeld the best WR class ever:

Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn, Eddie Kennison, Marvin Harrison, Eric Moulds, Bobby Engram, Terrell Owens, Muhsin Muhammad, Amani Toomer, Jermaine Lewis, and Joe Horn

Honorable mention classes below:

91' WR class was stacked as well

Herman Moore, Alvin Harper, Jake Reed, Ed Mccaffrey, Yancey Thigpen, Raghib Ismail, Michael Jackson, Keenan McCardell, & Shawn Jefferson.

Jake Reed being the HOF caliber. But still an impressive list of productive WRs.

Once upon time the 2001 WR class looked stacked, within first 3 years Koren Robinson, Rod Gardner looked strong faded away fast.

Chris Chambers, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith & Santana Moss had long careers. Reggie Wayne future HOF.

[Tru11]

jdynamite, on 24 Dec 2014 - 5:52 PM, said:

Honorable mention classes below:

91' WR class was stacked as well

Herman Moore, Alvin Harper, Jake Reed, Ed Mccaffrey, Yancey Thigpen, Raghib Ismail, Michael Jackson, Keenan McCardell, & Shawn Jefferson.

Jake Reed being the HOF caliber. But still an impressive list of productive WRs.

Once upon time the 2001 WR class looked stacked, within first 3 years Koren Robinson, Rod Gardner looked strong faded away fast.

Chris Chambers, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith & Santana Moss had long careers. Reggie Wayne future HOF.

 

yup looks like a solid class as well.

[RaineV1]

I think Jernigan being available where he was really messed up any plan that Ozzie might have had. Here was a guy that Ozzie probably considered a top twenty pick (maybe top thirty) and was one of the surest bets to be a successful pro that you're going to get in the draft still sitting there halfway through the second round. He's definitely one of the biggest steals in the draft. To turn him down at that point in the draft would have been an extremely tough call the make.

[Tiz]

I don't agree with the op.

I look at our passing game as well as our balance and feel we are just fine.

Next year I feel we need cb help and sadly help at safety but pretty much everywhere else I feel comfortable going forward although a back up plan for Monroe would be nice

[Dfence4champs2052]

Landry would have been awesome.  His work in LSU was stellar  The Dolphins now have someone who could concievably take over.  The guy is lights out.  

I agree. It looks like he'll be a great gem for their offense. And he's multi-skilled just like the Ravens like!

[Dfence4champs2052]

I don't agree with the op.

I look at our passing game as well as our balance and feel we are just fine.

Next year I feel we need cb help and sadly help at safety but pretty much everywhere else I feel comfortable going forward although a back up plan for Monroe would be nice

Opening post didn't say anything other than I'm not thrilled with our WR corps. 

[Dfence4champs2052]

  

You only see 1 HOFer?? T.Owens & M.Harrison that's 2. ( which one you leaving out ?). Other than them you have a ton of Pro Bowls, All Pro selections from Keyshawn, Moulds, Kennison, Muhammad, Horn, Glenn. Jermaine Lewis was key contributor to our Super Bowl dynamic return man. Also there was longevity and consistent production from these WRs.

I left Team Obliterator out, but I meant as we speak only Harrison is in right now right?