Vent thread: Texans

[rmcjacket23]

Don't agree with you on Steve Smith, but I'll leave it.

So what's the issue, then? If Boldin was a golden, team-first guy why would Harbaugh ship him out? Harbaugh said he was sad to see Boldin go but it was Ozzie who saw the $6M number and sent him packing.

So who are the "problem children" that Harbaugh sent away?

General consensus (which I don't agree with and generally laugh at) is that those guys are mostly Boldin and Pollard.

 

Things like salary cap space, long-term future of the franchise, and benefit/risk analysis don't have any place in a good old fashioned conspiracy theory, so good luck with your impending debate with X-files supporters.

[stampedehero]

We need wide receiver help badly next year.  

 

Also, we have some of the worst fans in all of the NFL.   That game thread was absolutely horrible.

Wow..... you asked for a beat down.  Not me   I can give you an alternative and mention the Eagles fans or the non chalant Dolphins minion    We do NOT have some of the  worst fans in the NFL based on this thread  or in general.  I believe a lot  of them are bitterly disappointed and/or  mis guided.   Good luck to ya

[ravensfan520]

Do you think Tyrod would have scored 2 TD's? A backup QB against JJ Watt?

Whose to say he wouldn't have... a fourth string practice squad did against us... and our starter was proving that he wasn't doing any better... so why is it always that you have to stick with a starter even when he is playing so bad... Look at the Patriots or seahawks... they had starters or qbs being paid big money and they pulled them or played them after a starter came back from injury and haven't looked back. Everyone talks about how Flacco can make all the throws or is durable... but so was Boller (strong arm not so much durable) but just doesn't lead an offense. We have put so much faith in him that he can develop wrs and we can pick up Veterans or undrafted practice squad guys and he will turn them to something they aren't. He is not Brady or Any of the elite guys so why do we coddle him and believe that he is going to lead us to the promise land again when he has never proven he is more than an inconsistent qb that got hot at the right time... and don't discount how much the wrs meant during that run... or even Rice and his 4th and 29...

So we pull Flacco and put in Taylor and that was going to show the Texans that we folded... I believe the Texans knew that after the first quarter... even without pulling Flacco... without Jones and his return we may have never scored... that gave us life... just like every time game in the superbowl run... Jones or Boldin would give us life... that run is over and we are left with rebuilding... but we could get lucky and the Chiefs beat the chargers and we beat the Browns and off the playoffs we re hopefully he could get hot...

[ravensfan520]

Except the contract has been incredibly team friendly so far...

Doesn't change the fact we are in line for a second year in a row missing the playoffs... a second year we gave Flacco the keys to the ride and said take us there. We showed the nfl... we are going to get behind Flacco and throw everyone else under the bus... you really think offensive guys want to play for a team like that... why else would veterans on their last leg or guys who have never tasted success come here. I understand defensive guys... everyone knows what it means to play defense for the Ravens...

[StingerNLG]

Whose to say he wouldn't have... a fourth string practice squad did against us... and our starter was proving that he wasn't doing any better... so why is it always that you have to stick with a starter even when he is playing so bad... Look at the Patriots or seahawks... they had starters or qbs being paid big money and they pulled them or played them after a starter came back from injury and haven't looked back. Everyone talks about how Flacco can make all the throws or is durable... but so was Boller (strong arm not so much durable) but just doesn't lead an offense. We have put so much faith in him that he can develop wrs and we can pick up Veterans or undrafted practice squad guys and he will turn them to something they aren't. He is not Brady or Any of the elite guys so why do we coddle him and believe that he is going to lead us to the promise land again when he has never proven he is more than an inconsistent qb that got hot at the right time... and don't discount how much the wrs meant during that run... or even Rice and his 4th and 29...

So we pull Flacco and put in Taylor and that was going to show the Texans that we folded... I believe the Texans knew that after the first quarter... even without pulling Flacco... without Jones and his return we may have never scored... that gave us life... just like every time game in the superbowl run... Jones or Boldin would give us life... that run is over and we are left with rebuilding... but we could get lucky and the Chiefs beat the chargers and we beat the Browns and off the playoffs we re hopefully he could get hot...

 

So with the team only down 11, and knowing that at anytime your offense COULD strike, you're going to pull your starting QB and let your career backup run in there and run around for a while?   You do know Tyrod can't pass right?   There's a reason he's not a starting QB.

 

If the Texans knew we folded already, why did they keep playing hard the whole game?   Why not roll into a prevent defense and rest their guys?  

 

I'm really having a hard time with some of these posts.

[StingerNLG]

Wow..... you asked for a beat down.  Not me   I can give you an alternative and mention the Eagles fans or the non chalant Dolphins minion    We do NOT have some of the  worst fans in the NFL based on this thread  or in general.  I believe a lot  of them are bitterly disappointed and/or  mis guided.   Good luck to ya

 

I would say bring it then.   I have friends outside of Baltimore, and even they say it.  One of my buddies is a New Yorker and loves the Giants.  He is absolutely floored that anyone would say the things he reads about Harbaugh and Flacco down here, by our own fans. 

 

Again, read the game thread.  Then go read Tony Lombardi's garbage.   Then let me know I'm asking for anything.

[rmcjacket23]

Doesn't change the fact we are in line for a second year in a row missing the playoffs... a second year we gave Flacco the keys to the ride and said take us there. We showed the nfl... we are going to get behind Flacco and throw everyone else under the bus... you really think offensive guys want to play for a team like that... why else would veterans on their last leg or guys who have never tasted success come here. I understand defensive guys... everyone knows what it means to play defense for the Ravens...

I don't know... ask Steve Smith. He came here. Go ask him why he came here?

 

And for actually watching the games, looks like we didn't give him the keys to anything. We told him to throw the ball less and throw it quicker and shorter than he did last season.

 

But obviously the contract has very little to do with it right now. You paid a QB what he deserved because the idea of not doing that is unfathomable. Its the precise reason why literally no person in two years has explained why this team would be better by NOT paying Joe to stay. They can't come up with a name of a QB who we could have gotten that would do better.

 

The reason for that? There was no alternative. The fans that can't get past this are the one's who are still stuck in the past, remembering the "old days". The league changed, and franchises change.

[stampedehero]

I would say bring it then.   I have friends outside of Baltimore, and even they say it.  One of my buddies is a New Yorker and loves the Giants.  He is absolutely floored that anyone would say the things he reads about Harbaugh and Flacco down here, by our own fans. 

 

Again, read the game thread.  Then go read Tony Lombardi's garbage.   Then let me know I'm asking for anything.

Lombardi is on par with the haters award.  In here a lot of people prefer negative consumption rather than the positive outlook. I would say this is a sample group who like their interests first and team support when we win.  Could it be that any place could have the worst fans? I live in NJ and the big topics found in the public orbit around the Philly fan attitude.   Gotta say Jets and Giants fans are loyal. I see your point but had to help you from the neg connotations from others with your general viewpoint 

[frank cambra]

I think the problem Sunday was the inability to gain anything on run plays, while insisting on running on first & second and longs. When the other team sells out for the run, and you keep trying, bad things will probably happen. I read an article that was praising our use of the 21 set since the bye (Flacco & co. were killing it) and I think that's what lead to our demise. Joe typically excells in the shotgun, which we took until the 3rd quarter I beleive to implement. This is why I was reluctant about the Kubiak hiring. While I think a good run game is catalyst to winning, I think it should be use in a complementary way. 11 personell is what needs to be the focus of our offense. Someone recently put up some stats that really told the story. In the first half over the last few weeks, we have literally been the worst offences in the the league. Then when the second half rolls around we are healthily in the top ranks in most metrics. In essence, our run game falters in the first half, while we try to salvage it. Only to realize in the second half the the pass is what is needed to win, and set the run up for the kill.

 

 

p.s. Anybody realize how pressure up the middle, lack of pressure on the defensive side, and a bad run game are the common denominators in every loss? It seems when one of the three happen, the other 2 follow suit.

[redrum52]

General consensus (which I don't agree with and generally laugh at) is that those guys are mostly Boldin and Pollard.

Things like salary cap space, long-term future of the franchise, and benefit/risk analysis don't have any place in a good old fashioned conspiracy theory, so good luck with your impending debate with X-files supporters.

I think some night have a point with Pollard. Yiu can say his play wasn't up to par, but you trust a rookie the next season? Also, hadn't Bernard just been re-signed that season? I understood the Boldin move, as much as I hated it.

The only excuse I think they could use for getting rid of Pollard to me is, maybe, we wanted to get younger and just rebuild.

[redrum52]

I'd also just like to say the hostility on these boards is comical around this time when the team isn't handling business. You can pick almost any thread to see the in fighting. Lmao

[TheRavenouseD2008]

I will be honest this is not our season ,  even if we make it into the playoffs we wont make it far ,  our secondary looks like the cast from the walking dead(not the human members of the show honestly the zombie might play better in some instances) but I seriousesly think we need to look at our conditioning staff  and evaluate methods being used , I noticed the field after we had the army navy game was slick as all get out  players on both teams looked like they were having issues with footing ,  maybe we need to re-evaluate that for health reasons ..... injury wise this one stung , moral it stung  and right before christmas ..... harbs better go out with a bang all I can say as atleast we did not lose to tampa

[rmcjacket23]

I think some night have a point with Pollard. Yiu can say his play wasn't up to par, but you trust a rookie the next season? Also, hadn't Bernard just been re-signed that season? I understood the Boldin move, as much as I hated it.

The only excuse I think they could use for getting rid of Pollard to me is, maybe, we wanted to get younger and just rebuild.

Younger, cheaper, and most likely, the team got tired of all his ridiculous personal foul penalties.

[DomMcRaven]

I'd also just like to say the hostility on these boards is comical around this time when the team isn't handling business. You can pick almost any thread to see the in fighting. Lmao

I know right. Polar opposite when we're winning.

[redrum52]

I know right. Polar opposite when we're winning.

For a few... I'very been over the loss cause I expected the offense to struggle, though not to that extent. We shot ourselves in the fpot and whatevee happens happens. I was more upset about the money I lost betting Ravens would win the division at the start of the season.

[Tenacious Faulker]

 

You and RATEDR either have very poor memories or you don't pay attention to what Jacoby contributes. Granted, he's not a top notch receiver by any stretch of the imagination but he is one of the only Raven players who competed against Houston. He's one of the best KO and Punt Returners in the league. He nearly broke a KO return for a TD and he does it mainly on his own. Imagine how good he could be if some of our other players learned how to block properly on a KO return. His off year last year was due in part to a very stupid play on the part of Brendon Trawick who hit Jacoby in the knee. Now, if you're looking for somebody to release, Trawick should have been long gone. He's not even a good ST player. I don't know how many times he was targeted yesterday but I know he caught a pass. I would have only given out three game balls after yesterday's game and he would have gotten one of them. Rashaan Melvin and

Ladarius Webb would ave gotten the other two. At least, they competed.

No - I have pretty darn good memory.  Jacoby's deal was pretty much a reward for playing over his head in two games - Denver and the Super Bowl.  If they left him walk tot he Giants I would not have been too concerned.  The Ravens just offered him a bit too much to stay imho.  

 

I think its been stated that he's paid an inordinate amount of money for essentially KR.  Since 2012 he's been unreliable as a receiver.  He can;t run a route and makes big plays on busted plays.  Mostly luck on his part.  I was once a big proponent of getting him the ball more.  Then when he got those targets he failed.

 

JJ wasn't the only one though.  Torrey is hovering at about 50% career receptions vs targets.  Steve Smith is on pace for a personal best in drops.  Owen Daniels has been inconsistent.  

 

They need a playmaker and one that is in his prime.  They may need to draft high on a WR as much as DB or Safety in 2015.  Until they get THAT guy I say they try and do more with Marlon Brown.  He seems to have the head and tools.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

No - I have pretty darn good memory. Jacoby's deal was pretty much a reward for playing over his head in two games - Denver and the Super Bowl. If they left him walk tot he Giants I would not have been too concerned. The Ravens just offered him a bit too much to stay imho.

I think its been stated that he's paid an inordinate amount of money for essentially KR. Since 2012 he's been unreliable as a receiver. He can;t run a route and makes big plays on busted plays. Mostly luck on his part. I was once a big proponent of getting him the ball more. Then when he got those targets he failed.

JJ wasn't the only one though. Torrey is hovering at about 50% career receptions vs targets. Steve Smith is on pace for a personal best in drops. Owen Daniels has been inconsistent.

They need a playmaker and one that is in his prime. They may need to draft high on a WR as much as DB or Safety in 2015. Until they get THAT guy I say they try and do more with Marlon Brown. He seems to have the head and tools.

Agree with everything, really dislike Jacoby. Getting paid too much for too little.

[rmcjacket23]

No - I have pretty darn good memory.  Jacoby's deal was pretty much a reward for playing over his head in two games - Denver and the Super Bowl.  If they left him walk tot he Giants I would not have been too concerned.  The Ravens just offered him a bit too much to stay imho.  

 

I think its been stated that he's paid an inordinate amount of money for essentially KR.  Since 2012 he's been unreliable as a receiver.  He can;t run a route and makes big plays on busted plays.  Mostly luck on his part.  I was once a big proponent of getting him the ball more.  Then when he got those targets he failed.

 

JJ wasn't the only one though.  Torrey is hovering at about 50% career receptions vs targets.  Steve Smith is on pace for a personal best in drops.  Owen Daniels has been inconsistent.  

 

They need a playmaker and one that is in his prime.  They may need to draft high on a WR as much as DB or Safety in 2015.  Until they get THAT guy I say they try and do more with Marlon Brown.  He seems to have the head and tools.

I'll preface this by saying that I am far from a Jacoby supporter (in fact, I'd consider myself a Jacoby basher)...

 

His contract isn't really a problem. He was always viewed as a luxury item in my eyes, and we signed him for a lot less than I thought he was asking for or would get elsewhere. On the surface, its a 4 year $12M deal. Realistically.... he got $4.5M guaranteed. Its basically a two year deal at around $5-6M total. After that, you can cut him quite easily. Its more than I would like to pay for a kick returner, but he doesn't at least offer some depth at the WR position in the event of injury. Turns out we didn't really need him on offense this season, which is a good thing.

 

I think the biggest problem most people have is the notion that we spent this money on him instead of somebody else, namely somebody like Corey Graham. In the grand scheme of things, are money would have been better spent elsewhere. However, people need to take into account that the Jacoby resigning occurred before we sign Steve Smith.

[DomMcRaven]

For a few... I'very been over the loss cause I expected the offense to struggle, though not to that extent. We shot ourselves in the fpot and whatevee happens happens. I was more upset about the money I lost betting Ravens would win the division at the start of the season.

For a few weeks straight, I've been doing reverse-jinxes in hopes of us winning. It worked for a while. But in all honesty, I didn't expect us to win. I had us going 10-6 before the season started.....................

[cobrajet]

I personally like Marlon Brown and Kamar Aiken...... 

They really seem to be future stars.

[ravensdfan]

+1

People keep screaming we needed WR. But look at where we picked our players. #1 absolutely were BPA.

Mosley and Jernigan were the right pick.

Next year we hope a major playmaker on offense is there @ our reach, but if its a stretch, we're not wasting our top picks on bad players.

lol no we'll waste another season with bad WRs.

[codizzle]

lol no we'll waste another season with bad WRs.

And it'll be flacco's fault as always

[Tenacious Faulker]

I'll preface this by saying that I am far from a Jacoby supporter (in fact, I'd consider myself a Jacoby basher)...

 

His contract isn't really a problem. He was always viewed as a luxury item in my eyes, and we signed him for a lot less than I thought he was asking for or would get elsewhere. On the surface, its a 4 year $12M deal. Realistically.... he got $4.5M guaranteed. Its basically a two year deal at around $5-6M total. After that, you can cut him quite easily. Its more than I would like to pay for a kick returner, but he doesn't at least offer some depth at the WR position in the event of injury. Turns out we didn't really need him on offense this season, which is a good thing.

 

I think the biggest problem most people have is the notion that we spent this money on him instead of somebody else, namely somebody like Corey Graham. In the grand scheme of things, are money would have been better spent elsewhere. However, people need to take into account that the Jacoby resigning occurred before we sign Steve Smith.

I generally agree here.  I do think that JJ's contract was really for "past performance".  He was after all a chief reason for our success in 2012.  He's a real talent on S/Ts but not even average as a WR.

 

However, his contract does take away from talent needed elsewhere on the team.  KRs are a dime a dozen (can be had for >$1M) and he's too frail to be used elsewhere else on special teams.  When I think about the FA receivers in 2012 that were available, I just wonder why they couldn't be signed here:

 

Desean Jackson - Think Jacoby, but with a good set of hands.

Pierre Garcon - A do-it-all receiver.

Eddie Royal - Jacoby-speed, better hands and proved to be a deep threat as a rookie and has KR experience.

Vincent Jackson - Think Marlon Brown but with Torrey Smith's speed and much more experience.

[mdrsharon]

Bottom line - we need someone who can CATCH the ball.

We need a WR of Megatron or similar high caliber.

other than last week, Flacco can put it in the numbers, and our guys do not make those catches.

 

Check out all the  crazy good one handed catches making the weekend films. I don't know if any of our guys can do that.

Since Joe likes to air it out, we need a burner down the field.

 

Still hoping for a miracle this year - always want my Ravens to win, not break my heart.

Let's see what happens this weekend.....

[rmcjacket23]

Bottom line - we need someone who can CATCH the ball.

We need a WR of Megatron or similar high caliber.

other than last week, Flacco can put it in the numbers, and our guys do not make those catches.

 

Check out all the  crazy good one handed catches making the weekend films. I don't know if any of our guys can do that.

Since Joe likes to air it out, we need a burner down the field.

 

Still hoping for a miracle this year - always want my Ravens to win, not break my heart.

Let's see what happens this weekend.....

If you're desiring a Megatron caliber WR, its not coming. Those players are overall pretty rare, and they almost always require very high draft picks or a lot of cash to acquire, something the Ravens don't figure to have anytime soon.

[RaineV1]

The Ravens don't need a Megatron style receiver. They just need two or three guys that can run good routes and hold onto the ball. Looking at the upcoming draft, they do have a shot at getting a receiver that can be a game changer for them. Maybe Kevin White or Jaelen Strong in the first. Or someone like Ty Montgomery or Nelson Agholor in the second.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Keystone Cops   Thats funny   The team destroyed themselves both morally and physically against a team that wanted it more. 

You got that right!

[frozen joe flacco fan]

No - I have pretty darn good memory.  Jacoby's deal was pretty much a reward for playing over his head in two games - Denver and the Super Bowl.  If they left him walk tot he Giants I would not have been too concerned.  The Ravens just offered him a bit too much to stay imho.  

 

I think its been stated that he's paid an inordinate amount of money for essentially KR.  Since 2012 he's been unreliable as a receiver.  He can;t run a route and makes big plays on busted plays.  Mostly luck on his part.  I was once a big proponent of getting him the ball more.  Then when he got those targets he failed.

 

JJ wasn't the only one though.  Torrey is hovering at about 50% career receptions vs targets.  Steve Smith is on pace for a personal best in drops.  Owen Daniels has been inconsistent.  

 

They need a playmaker and one that is in his prime.  They may need to draft high on a WR as much as DB or Safety in 2015.  Until they get THAT guy I say they try and do more with Marlon Brown.  He seems to have the head and tools.

Let me test your memory. How many times was Jacoby targeted yesterday? How many catches did he make?

[StingerNLG]

The Ravens don't need a Megatron style receiver. They just need two or three guys that can run good routes and hold onto the ball. Looking at the upcoming draft, they do have a shot at getting a receiver that can be a game changer for them. Maybe Kevin White or Jaelen Strong in the first. Or someone like Ty Montgomery or Nelson Agholor in the second.

 

 I disagree.  We need someone that can take the top of a defense.   Someone that the other team HAS to gameplan for.   Someone you have to make an effort to take out of a game, and can fail to do it when you do.  We need a playmaker at WR.

[cushrinada1986]

We all know Torrey isn't a #1, but that doesn't make him a slot guy by any means, his skill set is far from what it takes to be a slot receiver. I mean SSS pound for pound is just as strong as any of those guys you listed and has been more productive than Marshall and just as productive as Boldin, Jackson, and Evans. SSS isn't just a speed guy, not at his age, if thats all you see from SSS then you need to open your eyes, his toughness is rare and you can't just find that anywhere

What I can and most analyst see is a player that has shown his age and has been declining. He has not been reliable and for all his power, he has not stepped up and been that constant WR that wont drop a ball during critical moments or has been that safety net Pitta once was. And at this point and time, Jackson, Evans, Boldin, and a few other rookies are currently beating him in either yards or TDs. I dont blame Marshall for his production because Cutler has played at a Ryan Leaf like level for the last couple seasons. Back to torrey, outside of the fact that is runs like the stiffest WR ever when he goes in and out of brakes, for someone with his speed, its all he has as a weapon. He is not very agile, not many juke moves in his arsenal, just deep ball, and that little spin move he does after a button hook. At this point, if we do keep both, SSS is gonna need to be Slot, which at this point is his real position at his age and talent at this time. We still need a WR that can take attention off Smith and Smith Sr, as well as camp when he is in the slot. Once we get a true threat at WR, Flaccos stats will go well over 4k yards.