Vent thread: Texans

[Dfence4champs2052]

Seriously! If the run isn't working, throw it early a few times to set up the run. Since I only saw a decent part of the second half, was there any QB bootlegs or rollouts?

Virtually none. Joe didn't have time honestly.

[arnie_uk]

Maybe Harbs should go tell Peyton that too since he just had 3 INTs and cost his team the game right?

Who are we benching Joe for? The back-up that gave the Patriots 21 pts in like 1/2 a quarter of play? That guy? Then you want to put Joe back in to clean up for him? Riiiiiggghhhtttt. That's how you treat a game you need the win for.

correction 4 and 2 pick 6s

[codizzle]

Currently killing my liver trying to drink my sorrows away as fast as I've watched our playoff chances slip away yesterday and today

10-6 doesn't mean crap... Still a bad season

[FoxRox75]

There goes our best chance of making the postseason; I'd be shocked if the Chiefs beat the Chargers next week. Serves us right, anyway - you can't rely on the help of others to make the playoffs; it rarely works out, anyway. On the bright side, assuming we miss the playoffs, we won't have to be 0-4 against Pittsburgh in the playoffs *knocks on wood*. 

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Maybe we can get some offensive stars this offseason?

[ravensdfan]

correction 4 and 2 pick 6s

oh my. Peyton is not elite then. No elite QB puts up those stats in a game that matters

they should have benched him.

 

mind boggling around here sometimes lol

[ravensdfan]

Maybe we can get some offensive stars this offseason?

eh if they're over 35, on their last legs, and will only be here a year, two at most then yeah, maybe.

[arnie_uk]

oh my. Peyton is not elite then. No elite QB puts up those stats in a game that matters

they should have benched him.

mind boggling around here sometimes lol

every QB has bad games. Accept it, and move on.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

eh if they're over 35, on their last legs, and will only be here a year, two at most then yeah, maybe.

I hop not, if they don't draft any wrs. Then maybe it's time for ozzie to go.

[ravensdfan]

I hop not, if they don't draft any wrs. Then maybe it's time for ozzie to go.

he'll draft one in the 7th and everyone will say he helped the offense out or well they dropped cuz of this or that and they're actually 5th rd talent.

 

That's how it goes, on and on it seems.

 

Maybe he'll prove me wrong this time.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Maybe Harbs should go tell Peyton that too since he just had 3 INTs and cost his team the game right?

Who are we benching Joe for? The back-up that gave the Patriots 21 pts in like 1/2 a quarter of play? That guy? Then you want to put Joe back in to clean up for him? Riiiiiggghhhtttt. That's how you treat a game you need the win for.

If you want to talk about what could have been done - perhaps they shouldn't have left Hurst on an Island against Watt. Or, perhaps he should have shook Kubiak early on and stopped the run on every single first down that was gaining 1 yd. Those things might have been helpful. Who knows though. Perhaps it was just one of those days for Flacco. All QBs have them.

 

We had no chance as long as Joe's mechanics were broken.

Fix those, and now we have a chance again.

If necessary, then yes, you keep Joe on the sidelines to have him work on his form. And maybe to give him a chance to shake off the nervousness and get back to being Cool Joe. Even if it means Tyrod has to be out there for a few plays. Then once Joe's ready, you put him back out there. Hence the phrase temporarily bench him.

You could have Tyrod run our read option plays (we've got a few) until Joe is ready to return.

As for Hurst, that happened when the game was already out of hand.

I'm talking about stopping the avalanche when it was still just a snowball, early in the first quarter.

Or do you actually think that leaving Joe out there to throw incompletion after incompletion while getting battered around in the first half was actually the better choice?

[ravensdfan]

We had no chance as long as Joe's mechanics were broken.

Fix those, and now we have a chance again.

If necessary, then yes, you keep Joe on the sidelines to have him work on his form. And maybe to give him a chance to shake off the nervousness and get back to being Cool Joe. Even if it means Tyrod has to be out there for a few plays. Then once Joe's ready, you put him back out there. Hence the phrase temporarily bench him.

You could have Tyrod run our read option plays (we've got a few) until Joe is ready to return.

As for Hurst, that happened when the game was already out of hand.

I'm talking about stopping the avalanche when it was still just a snowball, early in the first quarter.

Or do you actually think that leaving Joe out there to throw incompletion after incompletion while getting battered around in the first half was actually the better choice?

better choice than a cold Tyrod? Oh yes I do. If you think the game was out of hand at the half with Joe in there, I could almost promise you it would be well out of hand with Tyrod in.

[StingerNLG]

Currently killing my liver trying to drink my sorrows away as fast as I've watched our playoff chances slip away yesterday and today

10-6 doesn't mean crap... Still a bad season

 

I'd say about 60% of the teams in the NFL right now would like to disagree with you.

 

I'd also say someone takes a sport WAY too seriously if they have to try to damage themselves overdrinking because of football.   So I'm assuming you are speaking figuratively and not literally, right?

[ravensfan520]

I will say one thing... if we miss the playoffs again this year... it will be the second time in a row... the second year in a row since the Flacco contract... the second year in a row that Flacco is the leader of the team... I love the Ravens but I think if we (Flacco) are playing bad... we need to play Taylor and see if he is worth signing as a back up or after Flacco's guaranteed money is off the books we can cut him and move on. The Houston game would have been a perfect time to add a wrinkle in the game and use Taylor some to keep Texans from running so far upfield. A little old college option may have worked and gave a Flacco a chance to catch his breath... He was scared and has always played squared against the Texans the bengals and occasionally the steelers. Face it guys we were decimated this year on defense but we (offense) struggled against good defensive teams... yes we beat some bad teams to pad our record but other than that what strong defensive team did we beat. When we beat the steelers early in the year I believe they were hurting on offense and defense... since the Flacco deal I believe we are in rebuilding mode... if we miss the playoffs with this soft of a schedule and for a second time in a row... you have to admit some changes need to be made.

[ravensfan520]

better choice than a cold Tyrod? Oh yes I do. If you think the game was out of hand at the half with Joe in there, I could almost promise you it would be well out of hand with Tyrod in.

Did we win or really make a real run at winning this game with Flacco in... He had maybe one good drive all game...

[ratedr]

I will say one thing... if we miss the playoffs again this year... it will be the second time in a row... the second year in a row since the Flacco contract... the second year in a row that Flacco is the leader of the team... I love the Ravens but I think if we (Flacco) are playing bad... we need to play Taylor and see if he is worth signing as a back up or after Flacco's guaranteed money is off the books we can cut him and move on. The Houston game would have been a perfect time to add a wrinkle in the game and use Taylor some to keep Texans from running so far upfield. A little old college option may have worked and gave a Flacco a chance to catch his breath... He was scared and has always played squared against the Texans the bengals and occasionally the steelers. Face it guys we were decimated this year on defense but we (offense) struggled against good defensive teams... yes we beat some bad teams to pad our record but other than that what strong defensive team did we beat. When we beat the steelers early in the year I believe they were hurting on offense and defense... since the Flacco deal I believe we are in rebuilding mode... if we miss the playoffs with this soft of a schedule and for a second time in a row... you have to admit some changes need to be made.

Tyrod is no answer. He came in during garbage time vs. NE last year and managed to double their point total in 5 minutes.

What changes do you suggest?

[Militant X 1]

I will say one thing... if we miss the playoffs again this year... it will be the second time in a row... the second year in a row since the Flacco contract... the second year in a row that Flacco is the leader of the team... I love the Ravens but I think if we (Flacco) are playing bad... we need to play Taylor and see if he is worth signing as a back up or after Flacco's guaranteed money is off the books we can cut him and move on. The Houston game would have been a perfect time to add a wrinkle in the game and use Taylor some to keep Texans from running so far upfield. A little old college option may have worked and gave a Flacco a chance to catch his breath... He was scared and has always played squared against the Texans the bengals and occasionally the steelers. Face it guys we were decimated this year on defense but we (offense) struggled against good defensive teams... yes we beat some bad teams to pad our record but other than that what strong defensive team did we beat. When we beat the steelers early in the year I believe they were hurting on offense and defense... since the Flacco deal I believe we are in rebuilding mode... if we miss the playoffs with this soft of a schedule and for a second time in a row... you have to admit some changes need to be made.

 

Leave Tyrod out of this!  Don't even bring his name up!  Tyrod is my man but this team rises and falls with Joe Flacco at the helm.  Give it a rest with the Tyrod mentions.  Smh!

[StingerNLG]

I will say one thing... if we miss the playoffs again this year... it will be the second time in a row... the second year in a row since the Flacco contract... the second year in a row that Flacco is the leader of the team... I love the Ravens but I think if we (Flacco) are playing bad... we need to play Taylor and see if he is worth signing as a back up or after Flacco's guaranteed money is off the books we can cut him and move on. The Houston game would have been a perfect time to add a wrinkle in the game and use Taylor some to keep Texans from running so far upfield. A little old college option may have worked and gave a Flacco a chance to catch his breath... He was scared and has always played squared against the Texans the bengals and occasionally the steelers. Face it guys we were decimated this year on defense but we (offense) struggled against good defensive teams... yes we beat some bad teams to pad our record but other than that what strong defensive team did we beat. When we beat the steelers early in the year I believe they were hurting on offense and defense... since the Flacco deal I believe we are in rebuilding mode... if we miss the playoffs with this soft of a schedule and for a second time in a row... you have to admit some changes need to be made.

 

The thing though is you cannot put Tyrod in as long as the Ravens have a chance.   The game was not out of hand, and next week is a must-win even if you're looking for the Chargers to lose.   Putting Tyrod in at any point signals you have given up, and the Ravens aren't that kind of team.  

 

Kubiak contributed to the problem by not recognizing what Crennel was doing and countering it.  No adjustments were made in that game.  Joe gets off his point, and then has a bad game.   He's not alone in blame for that.    Putting in Tyrod wouldn't do much other than let the Texans know the game was over and they were packing it in.

 

BTW it's interesting you brought up the Steelers.   The defense lost that second game by allowing the Steelers to put up 43 on them.   Flacco's stats in Pittsburgh were actually pretty good.  2TD/1INT, 303 yards, 67% completion and a 91.2 rating.   3 of the Steeler's 6 touchdowns were passes over 30 yards, two of them over 45 yards.   And Forsett was limited to 38 yards rushing. 

 

I still say we need a high quality #1 WR.   That's a big piece we're missing.  

[StingerNLG]

Did we win or really make a real run at winning this game with Flacco in... He had maybe one good drive all game...

 

Do you think Tyrod would have scored 2 TD's?   A backup QB against JJ Watt?

[rmw10]

First we had Boldin talks... Now Tyrod?

This thread needs to die.

[Alaska Alaska!]

Currently killing my liver trying to drink my sorrows away as fast as I've watched our playoff chances slip away yesterday and today

10-6 doesn't mean crap... Still a bad season

Oh yes the hell it does!  When FAs hit the market,  who do you think they'll want to go to?  Of course $ is a factor, but another huge factor is "can I win a championship here?"  That 10-6 will look a lot better than 6-10.  

[ravensdfan]

I will say one thing... if we miss the playoffs again this year... it will be the second time in a row... the second year in a row since the Flacco contract... the second year in a row that Flacco is the leader of the team... I love the Ravens but I think if we (Flacco) are playing bad... we need to play Taylor and see if he is worth signing as a back up or after Flacco's guaranteed money is off the books we can cut him and move on. The Houston game would have been a perfect time to add a wrinkle in the game and use Taylor some to keep Texans from running so far upfield. A little old college option may have worked and gave a Flacco a chance to catch his breath... He was scared and has always played squared against the Texans the bengals and occasionally the steelers. Face it guys we were decimated this year on defense but we (offense) struggled against good defensive teams... yes we beat some bad teams to pad our record but other than that what strong defensive team did we beat. When we beat the steelers early in the year I believe they were hurting on offense and defense... since the Flacco deal I believe we are in rebuilding mode... if we miss the playoffs with this soft of a schedule and for a second time in a row... you have to admit some changes need to be made.

Ravens 30 Houston 9

Ravens 20 Houston 13 (playoffs)

Ravens 29 Houston 14

Ravens 34 Houston 28

Ravens 41 Houston 13

 

I'm not seeing the "always scared" there.

[ratedr]

Ravens 30 Houston 9

Ravens 20 Houston 13 (playoffs)

Ravens 29 Houston 14

Ravens 34 Houston 28

Ravens 41 Houston 13

I'm not seeing the "always scared" in a 6-3 record against them.

Pretty sure it's actually 6-2, don't recall any losses besides this year and 2012.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

better choice than a cold Tyrod? Oh yes I do. If you think the game was out of hand at the half with Joe in there, I could almost promise you it would be well out of hand with Tyrod in.

 

If anything a cold but mobile Tyrod possibly throwing an unexpected wrinkle at Crennel = a rattled, mechanically unsound Joe.

 

And obviously the preference would be to have Joe straighten himself out while the defense was on the field, so you wouldn't have to put in Tyrod, but if Joe needed extra time, then yes, I say put in Tyrod and keep working on Joe to get him settled before sending Joe back out there and having him rally the tean back to an inspiring comeback victory that not only would have given us a spot in the playoffs (IIRC) with a chance to still win the division, but also given us momentum and confidence going into the final week and perhaps into the playoffs.

 

A confident Joe is a record tying Super Bowl MVP.

A rattled Joe is "oh well, maybe next year".

 

I know which one I prefer.

[ravensdfan]

If anything a cold but mobile Tyrod possibly throwing an unexpected wrinkle at Crennel = a rattled, mechanically unsound Joe.

 

And obviously the preference would be to have Joe straighten himself out while the defense was on the field, so you wouldn't have to put in Tyrod, but if Joe needed extra time, then yes, I say put in Tyrod and keep working on Joe to get him settled before sending Joe back out there and having him rally the tean back to an inspiring comeback victory that not only would have given us a spot in the playoffs (IIRC) with a chance to still win the division, but also given us momentum and confidence going into the final week and perhaps into the playoffs.

 

A confident Joe is a record tying Super Bowl MVP.

A rattled Joe is "oh well, maybe next year".

 

I know which one I prefer.

 

I know, let me just pull my starting QB, tell him to go over there and settle down, then he can go back in. That's sure to boost his confidence! ....said no football coach EVER.

 

Besides, with the way our O line was being manhandled, the option would have only succeeded in getting Tyrod killed. Not very fair to even put him in that position in that big a game. From the bench. Where he's been all season. Planning to pull him after two plays.

[codizzle]

I'd say about 60% of the teams in the NFL right now would like to disagree with you.

I'd also say someone takes a sport WAY too seriously if they have to try to damage themselves overdrinking because of football. So I'm assuming you are speaking figuratively and not literally, right?

Haha the very definition of figuratively

[codizzle]

Oh yes the hell it does! When FAs hit the market, who do you think they'll want to go to? Of course $ is a factor, but another huge factor is "can I win a championship here?" That 10-6 will look a lot better than 6-10.

Ehh money talks over most but you're right

And that post was mostly a joke anyway

But to be serious... 10-6 isn't a great accomplishment considering the schedule and if we hit 10-6 we may still miss the playoffs

So point is missing the postseason = crap

[PerpetuallyBored74]

I know, let me just pull my starting QB, tell him to go over there and settle down, then he can go back in. That's sure to boost his confidence! ....said no football coach EVER.

 

Besides, with the way our O line was being manhandled, the option would have only succeeded in getting Tyrod killed. Not very fair to even put him in that position in that big a game. From the bench. Where he's been all season. Planning to pull him after two plays.

 

He wouldn't just be going "over there". He'd be working with Dennison, throwing the ball on the sidelines, trying to restore his broken mechanics which would have also gone a long way to restore his broken confidence.

 

I'd think that Joe would understand the difference between being benched and out of the game and being brought over for a few moments to get himself straightened and settled. And as for Tyrod, if he's any type of competitor, then he'd welcome any chance to get on the field.

 

If the option wouldn't work, then have him scramble around before either throwing to a wide open receiver (unlikely) or just throwing it away. If we have to punt once to get Joe back to being Joe, then I'll take that trade-off.

 

Doing something is generally better than doing nothing when doing nothing is sure to lead to certain disaster.

[ratedr]

I won't lie, when Joe was 3/18 for 2 INTs and a zero rating that may have been the only time ever as a Ravens fan that I considered Tyrod as a viable option.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

I won't lie, when Joe was 3/18 for 2 INTs and a zero rating that may have been the only time ever as a Ravens fan that I considered Tyrod as a viable option.

 

Which could have been avoided if Harbaugh had taken charge and seen to it that Joe worked with Dennison to get himself together. Which could have been done while the offense was on the sideline, so Tyrod would not have been needed.