Vent thread: Texans

[rmcjacket23]

Either we should cut his pay and get some talent around him, or he has to play to his worth or leave.  TDs might not be a end all be all, but he needs to throw over +2 TDs more than ONCE the whole stinking season.  

 

1. You basically can't cut his pay.

2. He's playing up to his worth, because his worth is whatever a team is willing to pay him... its just that fans have no vague clue what it costs to get a QB these days.

3. His next TD will be a career high in TD passes, and no, in this offense, he doesn't need to throw more than 2 TDs in a game more than once. That's just fantasy stat stuff.

[Ravenseconbeast]

1. You basically can't cut his pay.

2. He's playing up to his worth, because his worth is whatever a team is willing to pay him... its just that fans have no vague clue what it costs to get a QB these days.

3. His next TD will be a career high in TD passes, and no, in this offense, he doesn't need to throw more than 2 TDs in a game more than once. That's just fantasy stat stuff.

 

But you can and we have to in 2016.  

[ratedr]

A Texan fan called into 105.7 the Fan and said while he's seen Flacco struggle against the Texans, he's never ever seen Flacco look that bad and that he was really shocked.

He also said he thought the main issue was Kubiak, saying that any Texan fan can attest that in the biggest games, Kubiak's gameplan come up small.

Personally I don't really blame Kubiak for yesterday (aside from stupidly putting Hurst 1 on 1 with Watt) but I found it interesting a Texans fan said this.

[izvoodoo]

A Texan fan called into 105.7 the Fan and said while he's seen Flacco struggle against the Texans, he's never ever seen Flacco look that bad and that he was really shocked.

He also said he thought the main issue was Kubiak, saying that any Texan fan can attest that in the biggest games, Kubiak's gameplan come up small.

Personally I don't really blame Kubiak for yesterday (aside from stupidly putting Hurst 1 on 1 with Watt) but I found it interesting a Texans fan said this.

I remember in the first quarter, you could tell those guys had been practicing against Kubiak's offense for what?  4 years for some of those guys?

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

In late for my vent, but the way this team is playing is really hacking me off.

 

We have stumbled to victories over poor teams in recent weeks; and we haven't had one signature win over a good team all year. The state of our secondary is as bad as I can recall in the 10 or so years I have watched the Ravens.

 

As for Joe, and our offence. Blow outs against bad teams have inflated the effectiveness of our this unit. Against decent defences, we are erratic at moving the ball through the air. For all the hype the Smiths get, they are missing in action half the time. Torrey's route running remains too limited, and Steve is simply too small at times. I sincerely hope we address WR and CB with our first picks next year.

 

We are fortunate not be eliminated as of yet. Although, unless our passing game improves against good calibre teams, not to mention our atrocious secondary, there really is no point making the post season - as we will be beaten by two touch downs on the road.

 

Sort it out, Ravens. 

[hn68wb4]

Torrey isn't a #1 WR either but with the production he has given in the last couple years, he is either that or a On/Off #2, which is what we have tons of already. And tbh I can name a handful of WRs(Boldin, Marshal, V.Jackson, Evans) that are stronger and show it by producing just as well as Smitty has this season without his speed but for some reason still able to get enough separation to make a difference. Point blank, you can get a speed guy anywhere, we need one that can make a difference consistently and not just vanish from games like has several times this season....

We all know Torrey isn't a #1, but that doesn't make him a slot guy by any means, his skill set is far from what it takes to be a slot receiver. I mean SSS pound for pound is just as strong as any of those guys you listed and has been more productive than Marshall and just as productive as Boldin, Jackson, and Evans. SSS isn't just a speed guy, not at his age, if thats all you see from SSS then you need to open your eyes, his toughness is rare and you can't just find that anywhere

[blazeon32]

Wasn't it last year when Flacco complained about using Tyrod Taylor as a runner and not having him under center? Didn't he say that was a high school offense. Maybe that's all he's capable of. He sure doesn't show me he's capable of doing anything that takes thinking when involved in a professional sport like the NFL. How come Kubiak has to dumb down things for him? WHy do we never use screens to get the ball out quicker and avoid the pass rush? How come the tight ends aren't being used more? WHy does this offense look like a high school offense because Flacco sure told us all that he doesn't like that. How about this. SHow us you're capable of more than that, and then complain about having a high school offense. By the way, I do not want Tyrod Taylor as the starting QB for this team. He is only capable of running the ball and can not throw it down field. He showed me how bad he was in the New England game last year.

[rmcjacket23]

But you can and we have to in 2016.  

Ehh, not really.

 

He still holds most of the leverage in that season as well, since the cap savings from cutting him would be $2.7M (pretty minimal) with almost $26M in dead money. You won't be finding a better QB for under $3M, so cutting him isn't really an option.

 

Funny how fans only care when players are overpaid, but they never say a word when they are underpaid (see Flacco's first five years in the league).

[redrum52]

Ehh, not really.

He still holds most of the leverage in that season as well, since the cap savings from cutting him would be $2.7M (pretty minimal) with almost $26M in dead money. You won't be finding a better QB for under $3M, so cutting him isn't really an option.

Funny how fans only care when players are overpaid, but they never say a word when they are underpaid (see Flacco's first five years in the league).

Same for Ngata. I have no problem with guys getting their money, which is why you will almost never see me mention someone's contract.

The only time it really upsets me is when the player is signed and then always hurt. I know a player can't control that, but it's just aggravating.

[Middleagedravensfan]

I am very disappointed in Flacco's performance in last weeks game.  He does not  play consistently from one game to the next...and this past weeks game was not the game to play poorly. Maybe it is time for a change.

[52N19]

i watched the first half on rewind. don;t know if i can watch anymore. flake throws a long ball to smith in the middle of the field. smith is covered but the ball hits him in both hands and bounce off his chest. you have to make those catches in the NFL. i'm not talking about beckham catches i'm just saying catch the damn ball.

 

later smith is wide open on a crossing pattern deep in the middle of the field and flacco misses him. it looked like a training camp pass and somehow flacco does;t make the play. 

 

the redskins suck as an organization but dejean jackson makes long catch after catch. if we had jacksin we would be a different offensive team.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

All this talk of Boldin's trade is silly.  That was two years ago.  He wasn't worth $6M/yr to us.  He would've never topped 1000 yards here like he was able to do in SF.  They just didn't use him that way.

 

What we should be asking is "why aren't we using Marlon Brown more?"  Every time I see him get his hands on the ball he is maniacally going for more YAC.  He may not be the fastest WR, but he's faster than Boldin and he has good hands too.  Smith Sr. brings fire, but he's dropped more passes this season (9) since 2006.  That's more than Torrey in any given season.

 

I scratched my head over Jacoby's deal too.  He had that one great season en route to the Super Bowl, but he's otherwise barely been worth a roster spot.

 

You and RATEDR either have very poor memories or you don't pay attention to what Jacoby contributes. Granted, he's not a top notch receiver by any stretch of the imagination but he is one of the only Raven players who competed against Houston. He's one of the best KO and Punt Returners in the league. He nearly broke a KO return for a TD and he does it mainly on his own. Imagine how good he could be if some of our other players learned how to block properly on a KO return. His off year last year was due in part to a very stupid play on the part of Brendon Trawick who hit Jacoby in the knee. Now, if you're looking for somebody to release, Trawick should have been long gone. He's not even a good ST player. I don't know how many times he was targeted yesterday but I know he caught a pass. I would have only given out three game balls after yesterday's game and he would have gotten one of them. Rashaan Melvin and

Ladarius Webb would ave gotten the other two. At least, they competed.

[rmcjacket23]

 

You and RATEDR either have very poor memories or you don't pay attention to what Jacoby contributes. Granted, he's not a top notch receiver by any stretch of the imagination but he is one of the only Raven players who competed against Houston. He's one of the best KO and Punt Returners in the league. He nearly broke a KO return for a TD and he does it mainly on his own. Imagine how good he could be if some of our other players learned how to block properly on a KO return. His off year last year was due in part to a very stupid play on the part of Brendon Trawick who hit Jacoby in the knee. Now, if you're looking for somebody to release, Trawick should have been long gone. He's not even a good ST player. I don't know how many times he was targeted yesterday but I know he caught a pass. I would have only given out three game balls after yesterday's game and he would have gotten one of them. Rashaan Melvin and

Ladarius Webb would ave gotten the other two. At least, they competed.

Its not a small amount of money for a guy who is essentially just a kick returner.

[52520Andrew]

I'd argue it was the worst game of his career. He began to feel pressure Early and rushed his throws.

One throw to Daniels where he totally missed him was awful.

 

The first half is right up there for the worst half of his career, don't want to rush to judgement but it is hard to think of a half where he played worse. I didn't watch much of the second half but he at least got some TDs and stopped with the picks. As for worst game of his career, probably Buffalo, 5 ints is just inexcusable even if it was the 2013 offense.

[StingerNLG]

I am very disappointed in Flacco's performance in last weeks game.  He does not  play consistently from one game to the next...and this past weeks game was not the game to play poorly. Maybe it is time for a change.

 

So you haven't been watching this season huh, since he's been more consistent than he has at any point in his career.

 

And a change of what?  And to whom?  

[HoldingCall]

The entire offense got an F. All of them if you watch the entire video.

 

He lost me on credibility though when he talked about the one INT and said "2nd INT by Flacco to Torrey, someone fell down, but still an INT". Does he not realize it was Torrey who fell down? lol Kind of difficult to put a timing route on Flacco when the target falls down and isn't where they're supposed to be.

 

Flacco had a horrendous game and deserves his F. So do the receivers, all of them. So do Forsett and Pierce. So does the O line. F's all around.

Aiken, Daniels and Brown did not deserve an "F" since we want to be picky. Actually, I see only the OL, Forsett and Smith Sr. with "Fs" all others on the offense managed a "D"

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Its not a small amount of money for a guy who is essentially just a kick returner.

Valid point. I'm just saying he's had some big games for us and he was one of the only competitors on

our team yesterday.

[ravensdfan]

Aiken, Daniels and Brown did not deserve an "F" since we want to be picky. Actually, I see only the OL, Forsett and Smith Sr. with "Fs" all others on the offense managed a "D"

Fair enough on Aiken & Brown. Torrey though - I still have to go with an F for him.

[HoldingCall]

Fair enough on Aiken & Brown. Torrey though - I still have to go with an F for him.

I elevated Torrey to a "D" due to the two touchdowns and felt it should be worth something.

[Raving_Heathen]

 

And a change of what?  And to whom?  

 

Exactly. Flacco might not be in the same company as Rodgers, Brady, and Peyton on the QB totem pole, but he's definitely in that 1B group with guys like Eli and Roethlisberger. None of these guys grow on trees, and they can all win you championships. People only need to look at teams like Cincy, KC, and Arizona to realize how valuable Flacco is. Best case scenario if we get rid of Flacco is that we wind up with someone like a noodle arm Dalton or one-read Kaep/RG3/whoever else. QBs like Luck only come around a couple times a decade. Ravens aren't going to wind up with anyone like that.

[ravensdfan]

I elevated Torrey to a "D" due to the two touchdowns and felt it should be worth something.

Yeah but one TD gets eliminated for the INT that is on him. Tripping over your own feet is pretty bad.

[The Raven]

I am very disappointed in Flacco's performance in last weeks game.  He does not  play consistently from one game to the next...and this past weeks game was not the game to play poorly. Maybe it is time for a change.

 

This is simply not true. Go look at the game stats and get back to me with how much his performance changes from game to game. Not as inconsistent as you think, but hey, believe what you want.

[HoldingCall]

Yeah but one TD gets eliminated for the INT that is on him. Tripping over your own feet is pretty bad.

You get no argument from me there, lol. But, I also didn't give Joe an "F" for the same reason, the touchdowns.

[ravensdfan]

You get no argument from me there, lol. But, I also didn't give Joe an "F" for the same reason, the touchdowns.

I give Joe an F. He was clearly rattled. A rattled Joe, though rare, is not just not good but usually a major disaster movie.

[StingerNLG]

Exactly. Flacco might not be in the same company as Rodgers, Brady, and Peyton on the QB totem pole, but he's definitely in that 1B group with guys like Eli and Roethlisberger. None of these guys grow on trees, and they can all win you championships. People only need to look at teams like Cincy, KC, and Arizona to realize how valuable Flacco is. Best case scenario if we get rid of Flacco is that we wind up with someone like a noodle arm Dalton or one-read Kaep/RG3/whoever else. QBs like Luck only come around a couple times a decade. Ravens aren't going to wind up with anyone like that.

 

That's how I feel.  And guess what?  Peyton and Rodgers for all their stats, all their accomplishments, both have exactly the same amount of Super Bowl rings as Flacco.   And Luck hasn't proven anything yet other than he was a flashy draft pick.   Let's see him go deep into the playoffs for multiple years and win a Super Bowl.   Then he can be there.

 

Flacco won us a championship.   Is he perfect?  No.  Will he have a game like this once in a while?   Yep.   Is he still a great QB and do I trust him with my Ravens?   Absolutely.  The guy just wins, and a couple of games this year we put the ball in his hands and he gave the team a lead that the defense blew in the last seconds.  

 

Let's also keep in mind Rothlisberger and the Steelers missed the playoffs the last 2 years.    With two back-to-back 8-8 seasons in there.   The Ravens might miss the playoffs this year, but they might also do it with 10 wins.    Flacco has yet to have a losing season since he's been here, which Rothlisberger can also say.  

 

And BTW no one wants to give Flacco any credit for even helping GET this team in a position to even be THINKING about the playoffs this year, after everything that has happened to them.   Including taking control of the Miami game on the road.   All things considered the Ravens should be a 5-6 win team this year with all the injuries and distractions.   But they aren't.   They have 9 wins, and it sure as heck isn't because of how great our defense has been this year.   It's because Flacco's had a career year up until Sunday.   But no one want's to say jack squat about that.

 

I'll take Joe Flacco on my team any day of the week.   And let's be honest, I could list at least half the teams in the NFL that would take Joe Flacco in a heartbeat and demote their current QB to get there.   Right now Flacco would be the instant starter on the Bears, Bills, Bucs, Raiders, Browns, Jets, Jaguars, Texans, Titans, Redskins, Eagles, Cardinals, or Rams.   Any of these teams would kill to have Flacco as their QB.

 

In the meantime we've suffered through garbage QB's like Kyle Boller, Stoney Case, Jeff Blake, Chris Redman, and Elvis Grbac, and yet here we are with people calling for a change at QB and telling us how horrible Flacco is the minute he has a bad game; with some people just waiting for it to happen so they can jump up and proclaim it. 

 

It really frustrates me that we have "fans" like this.   And if I'm Joe Flacco I'm thinking "what else do I have to do for this city for people to stop bashing me?"

[FoxRox75]

Bottom line, it is stupid to say we need to get rid of Flacco after the game (or even bench him). So he has one bad game? Big deal; look at how he played all year last year. Let's not forget that the Texans knew our offense better than any other team in the league. He wasn't any worse than Rodgers was last week, honestly. 

 

EDIT: And keep in mind, I'm not at all excusing the way Flacco played yesterday; yes, it was awful. But it's time to move on - we all know Flacco doesn't consistently produce the same way as Brady or Manning or Rodgers, but he is also rarely this bad. 

[HoldingCall]

Watching the Bronco, Bengal game tonight it's easy to see the Ravens as a step below. I believe the Ravens are capable but is not playing up to ability, especially the past two weeks.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Harbaugh should have told Joe to stop throwing off his back foot and start setting his feet and stepping into his throws, promising him that Kubiak would go spread and start calling screens and rubs/picks out of bunch/stack formations with Joe either throwing from the shotgun or on 3 step drops to neutralize the pass rush.

If necessary, Harbs should have called a timeout to talk to Joe before his nervousness snowballed and his game completely unraveled.

And if that wasn't enough, he should have temporarily benched Joe so that Joe could work on the sidelines to straighten out his mechanics before re-inserting him into the game.

We still could have still won if Harbs would only be willing to step in and do what needs to be done instead of hoping for a miracle that has no chance of coming. This loss, this embarassment, is first and foremost on Harbs for not stepping in, even when it's obvious that he has no choice.

[rmw10]

Welp… if there's a positive, I don't have to root for the Steelers.  Go Chiefs.

[ravensdfan]

Harbaugh should have told Joe to stop throwing off his back foot and start setting his feet and stepping into his throws, promising him that Kubiak would go spread and start calling screens and rubs/picks out of bunch/stack formations with Joe either throwing from the shotgun or on 3 step drops to neutralize the pass rush.

If necessary, Harbs should have called a timeout to talk to Joe before his nervousness snowballed and his game completely unraveled.

And if that wasn't enough, he should have temporarily benched Joe so that Joe could work on the sidelines to straighten out his mechanics before re-inserting him into the game.

We still could have still won if Harbs would only be willing to step in and do what needs to be done instead of hoping for a miracle that has no chance of coming. This loss, this embarassment, is first and foremost on Harbs for not stepping in, even when it's obvious that he has no choice.

Maybe Harbs should go tell Peyton that too since he just had 3 INTs and cost his team the game right?

Who are we benching Joe for? The back-up that gave the Patriots 21 pts in like 1/2 a quarter of play? That guy? Then you want to put Joe back in to clean up for him? Riiiiiggghhhtttt. That's how you treat a game you need the win for.

If you want to talk about what could have been done - perhaps they shouldn't have left Hurst on an Island against Watt. Or, perhaps he should have shook Kubiak early on and stopped the run on every single first down that was gaining 1 yd. Those things might have been helpful. Who knows though. Perhaps it was just one of those days for Flacco. All QBs have them.