Rashaan Melvin

[03tsal]

I don't know what game some of you were watching But I easily saw Melvin miss 2 tackles that turned into 1st downs & 1 which turned into a TD.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't know what game some of you were watching But I easily saw Melvin miss 2 tackles that turned into 1st downs & 1 which turned into a TD.

I thought I saw three missed tackles by him, though it could've been two.

[RaineV1]

I can't put all the blame on Melvin. It probably wasn't his idea to play ten yards back and allow the short passes constantly. That said, he's a good nickleback or depth DB but not a starter.

[PuRock]

I don't know what game some of you were watching But I easily saw Melvin miss 2 tackles that turned into 1st downs & 1 which turned into a TD.

 

 

Well the Patriots were really targeting him tonight.  He was the top tackler on the team today, which is a bad sign (9 tackles for Melvin to Mosley's 7). Plus these were shifty receivers and there were plenty of tackle opportunities for Melvin.  He got burned on a few.   

[Ngata Chance]

Melvin was in way over his head out there as an undrafted guy.  He played admirably given the circumstances.  My hats off to him.  

[ccflraven]

Watch the game , h tackled very well... Better than any other DB on the field

he led the team with 11

[757RavensFan]

Week in and week out we complain about ALL the missed tackles by Elam who was a high draft pick. Melvin an undrafted practice squad guy made more noise in 3 games than Elam has all season. He didn't have a great game tonight, but he didn't have a terrible one either. I like his upside. An off-season with this team and he'll be even better.

Edited January 11, 2015 by 757RavensFan

[CalvinSmoke]

He did his job, New England just uS more receivers than we have corners. Levine got worked too. With more time in our zone schemes (what we do best right now) he will be solid. He's fearless and has a good attitude. See you next year Melvin

[52520Andrew]

Pats picked on him, honestly he is the 2nd best HEALTHY CB we have though. Hopefully he can learn and improve on it. I would love to see Jimmy, him and then Webb going at it for the future although maybe a decent vet would be nice as well for some competition right now.

[rmw10]

Whether it was off man coverage or not, this is a rough stat line against him...

 

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun  11m11 minutes ago

Ultimately secondary sunk them in end: Melvin was nice story but gave up 15 catches for 224 yards, two TDs vs. Pats. Not the answer yet.

[allblackraven]

Whether it was off man coverage or not, this is a rough stat line against him...

 

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun  11m11 minutes ago

Ultimately secondary sunk them in end: Melvin was nice story but gave up 15 catches for 224 yards, two TDs vs. Pats. Not the answer yet.

But how don't you give catches when you're asked to play off the receiver for almost entire game? I'm pretty sure those monster yards include big passes to Gronk on which Melvin actually came in to make tackles.

[rmw10]

But how don't you give catches when you're asked to play off the receiver for almost entire game? I'm pretty sure those monster yards include big passes to Gronk on which Melvin actually came in to make tackles.

 

Because he got burned in man coverage too.  I get support for the guy but he had a very tough game yesterday.  I'm still impressed by what he was able to do overall considering he was on a practice squad for half of the season, but there's no way we can rely on him to be an answer yet.  Off man coverage or not, that is not a good day.

Edited January 11, 2015 by rmw10

[allblackraven]

Because he got burned in man coverage too.  I get support for the guy but he had a very tough game yesterday.  I'm still impressed by what he was able to do overall considering he was on a practice squad for half of the season, but there's no way we can rely on him to be an answer yet.  Off man coverage or not, that is not a good day.

 

Oh, he definitely needs to do heaps more learning to play himself into starting role. I'm rooting for the guy, though - has right attitude.

[rmw10]

Oh, he definitely needs to do heaps more learning to play himself into starting role. I'm rooting for the guy, though - has right attitude.

 

For sure.  He definitely seems like a likable guy.  Regardless of whether or not he was playing close to the WR or 8-10 yards off, that's a very rough day no matter how you slice.  Tom Brady was really the first to ever test him like that and it really exposed his weaknesses.

[Guest]

But how don't you give catches when you're asked to play off the receiver for almost entire game? I'm pretty sure those monster yards include big passes to Gronk on which Melvin actually came in to make tackles.

 

 

Because he got burned in man coverage too.  I get support for the guy but he had a very tough game yesterday.  I'm still impressed by what he was able to do overall considering he was on a practice squad for half of the season, but there's no way we can rely on him to be an answer yet.  Off man coverage or not, that is not a good day.

 

if Melvin was capable of playing man to man at the line of scrimmage, that's where he would have been lined up.

 

that stat line tells you all you need to know he was toasted like a marshmellow held directly in the bonfire.

 

never want to see that guy on our field again

 

we'll let the coaches judge that but if he can't get his head around on a pass like that he's got no ability

[Gordo52]

Well, it was a great learning experience in the least.

Hope he figures things out and we keep him around to compete in training camp.

[rmw10]

if Melvin was capable of playing man to man at the line of scrimmage, that's where he would have been lined up.

 

that stat line tells you all you need to know he was toasted like a marshmellow held directly in the bonfire.

 

never want to see that guy on our field again

 

we'll let the coaches judge that but if he can't get his head around on a pass like that he's got no ability

 

Now that's a little harsh.  It was the guy's 5th career game, and he had shown some signs of ability in previous games.  Yesterday was not a good one for him but to say you never want to see him on the field again is pretty ridiculous.

[Guest]

Now that's a little harsh.  It was the guy's 5th career game, and he had shown some signs of ability in previous games.  Yesterday was not a good one for him but to say you never want to see him on the field again is pretty ridiculous.

 

no its not ridiculous at all

 

he personally cost us the game along with elam, who was a draft mistake

 

if it was up to me he'd be waived immediately, but its up to the coaches....if they think he can recognize his responsibilities and get his head around next year i'll defer to them.

 

he was waived by one team, made practice squad on another,  was poached by the ravens and then poached by brady and the pats

 

but its most certainly not ridiculous to ask that he be released after that embarrassing performance and anyone thinking it is stands a strong likelihood of repeating the same mistakes next year

 

we didn't have many options with the IR situation, but if it was up to me he's gone yesterday. just in no frame of mind after that debacle to be the least bit tolerant of ineptitude

[Guest Omerta]

I think a lot of people in here are suffering from some very unrealistic expectations with this guy just because he has shown you more than you thought he would. With that, in some weird twist we have gone from praise to he is not starter material. Lets take a step back and look at things here now that we dont have the stress of another QB facing our secondary next week.

 

He was plucked off of a practice squad, this alone should be all someone needs to understand this. He was looked at as a developmental prospect by most teams and was thrust into the limelight on a difficult stretch where we face some of our best offenses of the season and he performed admirable going from practice squad to a starting corner against Rivers, Brady, Roethlisberger, and so on. 3 top 5 QB's for a guy who had not played a meaningful snap in his life. What were you realistically expecting ?

 

Then consider the fact he did not even come from our own practice squad. This is relevant because he was not familiar with terminology or how our defense ran or had any sort of chemistry on the back end with anyone. he came in not knowing anybody's name or any of the coaches. He was unfamiliar with what he would be doing, but he stepped off the plane and we threw him a playbook and thrust him into the line up.

 

Considering those factors and what were you expecting ? A Sherman, Revis, Peterson, Haden type of performance ? This has proven to me he deserves to be in the NFL with the way that he has played, he just needs a little more practice, time, and attention. I think that in the offseason we could get really good in the secondary minus a safety. Just having Jimmy back will be a huge help, another developmental corner in Melvin, as our outside corners and we now have some lengthy guys who can play ball. I expect nothing from Webb or Asa as Webb was great but I dont think he will ever fully recover, and I think Asa is nothing special. He graded out mediocre and he is always injured.

 

With all that said I think we have the luxury of having few NEEDS which are really just WR, but the secondary can certainly be addressed. In the first Ozzie has options.

[rmw10]

no its not ridiculous at all

 

he personally cost us the game along with elam, who was a draft mistake

 

if it was up to me he'd be waived immediately, but its up to the coaches....if they think he can recognize his responsibilities and get his head around next year i'll defer to them.

 

he was waived by one team, made practice squad on another,  was poached by the ravens and then poached by brady and the pats

 

but its most certainly not ridiculous to ask that he be released after that embarrassing performance and anyone thinking it is stands a strong likelihood of repeating the same mistakes next year

 

we didn't have many options with the IR situation, but if it was up to me he's gone yesterday. just in no frame of mind after that debacle to be the least bit tolerant of ineptitude

 

Don't let the emotions of a tough loss get to you.  We'd have no one on this team if we cut players after one bad game.  It was a rough one for him no doubt, but he showed some promise in other games.  He's a young guy taking his lumps at one of the most difficult positions to learn.

[Guest]

 

 

Then consider the fact he did not even come from our own practice squad. This is relevant because he was not familiar with terminology or how our defense ran or had any sort of chemistry on the back end with anyone. he came in not knowing anybody's name or any of the coaches. He was unfamiliar with what he would be doing, but he stepped off the plane and we threw him a playbook and thrust him into the line up.

 

 

 

valid points

 

still, a cornerback has to know where the ball is

 

that skill is innate you don't train it up

 

you might be able to train up a safety.....well.....then again we haven't been able to do that either

[ravensnick]

Because he got burned in man coverage too.  I get support for the guy but he had a very tough game yesterday.  I'm still impressed by what he was able to do overall considering he was on a practice squad for half of the season, but there's no way we can rely on him to be an answer yet.  Off man coverage or not, that is not a good day.

Yeah, that Lafell touchdown is still burning in my mind.

[ravensnick]

I do think Elam is personally responsible for about 14 of the Pats point and that may be generous. He looked like a little boy caught on the field.

Edited January 11, 2015 by ravensnick

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Ras led all of the team with 11 tackles in freezing weather. A good job if you asked me. Lots of potential there.

[BmoreBird22]

Ras led all of the team with 11 tackles in freezing weather. A good job if you asked me. Lots of potential there.

He had 11 tackles because they had no problem going right at him...

[rmw10]

He had 11 tackles because they had no problem going right at him...

 

Yep.  You never want your CB to have that many tackles.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

He had 11 tackles because they had no problem going right at him...

True, but scheme had more to do with it. They didn't want to test our front 7 and preoccupied any support. He's still has shown a lot of potential and should be interesting doing training camp. He reminds me of a few of Seattle's DBs. He might just prove everybody wrong. He may make the cut and contribute during the season. That said: Our first draft should be the most intimidating/enforcer with high football iq coming out. We need a physical presence in the DB. Really missing that for a while.

[ravensnick]

So much for that positive outing Elam had in Pittsburgh, last week...

 

That's ultimately the story for Matt "One Step Forward, 26 Steps Back" Elam; he'll make a play-or-two during a game and you'll think, "Hmm... maybe he's final turning the corner." But, LOL, nope!

Time to trade him IMO. I don't want the coaches trying to get him some reps. Cut our losses.

[rmcjacket23]

Time to trade him IMO. I don't want the coaches trying to get him some reps. Cut our losses.

Zero trade value.

[ravensnick]

Zero trade value.

Barron got something. Elam could as well.