Merged: Kubiak Discussions

[RedFire]

Yeah I do believe you are correct. And I agree, we all are guilty of that to some extent

That's why you promise nothing to anyone. I never promise anything. Business is about under promise and over deliver.

Granted I'm about iron clad contracts so I don't blame Kubiack. But to keep people happy in general I never promise anything and agree to tentative and good (not best) efforts to do things.

[52N19]

Prestons piece on Kubiak said Kubiak was the best offensive mind for the Ravens since Ted Marchibroda. i didn't relaize Marchibroda was an offensive minded coach. in his last 2 years as the Ravens coached i thought he had two plays, dive right, dive left.

[baltimorefan328]

After watching some of the sports "experts" on TV and radio yesterday, its funny as noone is really praising this move for the Broncos. At least for me, I havent heard one guy outside the Broncos really come out and be like this is an amazing move and will put the Broncos right back in contention. I've heard things like he only made the playoffs 3 times in Houston, the Broncos dont currently have a QB who fits Kubiak, etc. Just interesting to see that for all the off the field perfect match stuff, not many people seem to think this is actually the best on field move for the Broncos

[rmcjacket23]

After watching some of the sports "experts" on TV and radio yesterday, its funny as noone is really praising this move for the Broncos. At least for me, I havent heard one guy outside the Broncos really come out and be like this is an amazing move and will put the Broncos right back in contention. I've heard things like he only made the playoffs 3 times in Houston, the Broncos dont currently have a QB who fits Kubiak, etc. Just interesting to see that for all the off the field perfect match stuff, not many people seem to think this is actually the best on field move for the Broncos

That's because I don't think anybody realistically thought that the only thing standing in the Broncos way was the HC. Fox isn't even remotely a great coach in my eyes, but he's certainly not the reason why the Broncos didn't advance.

 

I still think the Kubiak hire is more for post-Manning as opposed to for-Manning.

[MTRavensFan]

That's because I don't think anybody realistically thought that the only thing standing in the Broncos way was the HC. Fox isn't even remotely a great coach in my eyes, but he's certainly not the reason why the Broncos didn't advance.

 

I still think the Kubiak hire is more for post-Manning as opposed to for-Manning.

I happen to agree with this, but only because I think Elway plans on getting rid of Manning, too.

[The Mom Gene]

I happen to agree with this, but only because I think Elway plans on getting rid of Manning, too.

Which means that they will be "rebuilding" for a very long time....  Their backup could take the 3-4 years to develop that most do...  even while sitting behind Manning.  That being said...  Dennison and Pariani going with Kubiak know how to instill a new offense into a team...  Do the have the personnel to do it???  The Broncos have CAP issues if Manning decides to hang on.  Like $19M...  And the Kubiak system isn't his way either...  I see many problems...   Look at Houston and what has happened to them...  God Help Us.

[rmcjacket23]

Which means that they will be "rebuilding" for a very long time....  Their backup could take the 3-4 years to develop that most do...  even while sitting behind Manning.  That being said...  Dennison and Pariani going with Kubiak know how to instill a new offense into a team...  Do the have the personnel to do it???  The Broncos have CAP issues if Manning decides to hang on.  Like $19M...  And the Kubiak system isn't his way either...  I see many problems...   Look at Houston and what has happened to them...  God Help Us.

1. The Broncos cap situation isn't that bad at all... they have no bad contracts that they can't get out of, and they've got plenty of room to sign guys they want for the most part. Its much better than the Ravens position for sure.

 

2. Maybe they like Osweiler, maybe they don't. Time will tell. I do know that if they can get even a mid-tier QB, they're going to be pretty good on offense. One things for sure... whoever the next QB is, whether he's a rookie or a veteran, he's going to have offensive talent to help him out.

 

They could be highly, highly competitive two years out after Manning leaves if they get a respectable QB and draft some defensive players.

[MTRavensFan]

Their cap situation doesn't look bad because they have a ton of players on the last year of their rookie contracts - it seems half their starters are headed to FA, including two of their most prolific pass-catchers, Julius and Demaryius. If they pay Manning, no way they can keep that team intact. Feels more like dumpster fire to me.

 

Don't know what to make of Osweiler, no one's really seen him play. Elway seems to like him.

 

We'll just have to wait for FA to see what the Broncos are going to look like next year. It could be a very different team.

[rmcjacket23]

Their cap situation doesn't look bad because they have a ton of players on the last year of their rookie contracts - it seems half their starters are headed to FA, including two of their most prolific pass-catchers, Julius and Demaryius. If they pay Manning, no way they can keep that team intact. Feels more like dumpster fire to me.

 

Don't know what to make of Osweiler, no one's really seen him play. Elway seems to like him.

 

We'll just have to wait for FA to see what the Broncos are going to look like next year. It could be a very different team.

True, but that's basically three guys... Thomas' and Von Miller.

 

All of the other "big deals" they have they can get rid of essentially anytime they want. They can cut Ware in 2016 and save $10M in cap space, and they could cut Talib and save $7M. Those two players alone, who were viewed as rentals all along, would free up enough cap space to sign basically anybody they want, meaning high cap numbers in years 2-3 of a deal for guys like the Thomas' isn't really that big of a deal.

 

Key thing to notice with the Broncos salary cap is that practically all of their players have positive cap space benefit from being released... they essentially have very few if any medium or large contracts with negative cap implications from a release. People gave them crap for signing guys like Talib and Ware to big contracts, yet both of them are essentially front-loaded two year deals.

 

After 2015, the Broncos have the flexibility to do just about whatever they want with their roster from a salary cap perspective, which makes them dangerous, considering the quality of players they can keep.

[The Mom Gene]

I happen to agree with this, but only because I think Elway plans on getting rid of Manning, too.

and I agree he's done with Manning too.

[allblackraven]

Just watched SB or bust press conference from Denver. They fully acknowledge it indeed is SB or bust. Kubes was gracious and made a point of this job being the only one he was going to take over Baltimore.

 

Horseface thankfully had a short speech. Is he Donald Trump's brother?

[Gordo52]

No hard feelings, Kubes..... Or better yet, "Buttercup Baby."

I'm thankful for the job he did. He was apart of our greatest offense in franchise history and helped us eliminate the Steelers out of the playoffs.... Wish he could've left here a champion, but it is what it is.

Having said that, I wish him nothing but the worst from a pure football standpoint. I hope he gets fired in two years and returns to building up that house in Baltimore.

[ravensfan160]

I wish Kubiak luck. Talk about pressure to take a job knowing it is Super Bowl or bust.

[callahan09]

So Super Bowl or bust, what does "bust" mean for Kubiak if they don't win it all?  Would they fire him after 1 season if he doesn't take them all the way?  Personally, I think there is very close to a 0% chance that Peyton Manning plays in 2016.  Looks like he won't retire this year, but if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, OR if he does win one, I think he retires after next season.  If he doesn't get it next season, he won't get it, and I think he knows that and retires.  If he does get it, I think he retires on top.  So Kubiak gets, in all likelihood, at most one season with Peyton.  And to be honest, I really don't see them winning a Super Bowl next season.  I just don't.  This just feels like a bad decision by Kubiak in my opinion.  The money is nice, I'm sure, but working for his buddy John is probably not going to end well when the chips fall and he will be fired some day, at least, in all likelihood.  How's that friendship going to be after that, hmm?

[PolishRifle]

I wish Kubiak luck. Talk about pressure to take a job knowing it is Super Bowl or bust.

 

If it is Superbowl or bust, then it's gonna be bust. With or without Peyton (and without is a very really possiblity), that team is already falling apart. Their game against the Colts was awful. I can't see that team getting any better, after all the "brilliant", but most costly FA moves from front office "guru" Elway.

[rmw10]

Marc Trestman is our guy.  Officially hired today.

[GrimCoconut]

Marc Trestman is our guy. Officially hired today.

Trestman could be a long term option as well after washing out at Chicago. I think two years and maybe three at the very least. I'd still take Kubiak back if he lost the Denver job.

[ravensfan160]

Marc Trestman is our guy.  Officially hired today.

Does Adam Gase have cooties or something? I'm fine with Trestman. His personality seems to be a better fit with Flacco but I thought Gase was this hot up and coming offensive genius. Now nobody seems to want him including his former team.

[The Raven]

Good luck to Kubiak. I hope he has a long career there, but I also hope we kill him next year.

[ravensdfan]

Does Adam Gase have cooties or something? I'm fine with Trestman. His personality seems to be a better fit with Flacco but I thought Gase was this hot up and coming offensive genius. Now nobody seems to want him including his former team.

Since Jags passed on him as well, I'm thinking there must be something there we, as fans, don't know about.

[jazz1988]

Since Jags passed on him as well, I'm thinking there must be something there we, as fans, don't know about.

 

Well he is a young guy and maybe teams are a little worried about that. He's only been a offensive cooridnator for two years and  working with Peyton Manning defintiely could have made his job easier so maybe teams are concern that he might not be able to lead a offense in the right direction base off that.

 

Some young guys can  come off too cocky and feel like they are mr hot shot which at times can be a turn off. I know when I went for a job interview and came off to cocky it didn't work in my favor .

[i82much]

Here's here's how I see it - it's like getting left at the altar.

Groom has every intention of marrying his fiance but on their wedding day, his long lost love, who he thought was gone, shows up and professes her undying love for him. So he runs off with her, leaving his fiance there to pick up the pieces. No one faults him for following his heart, but he owes the fiance a serious apology. Period.

Nah.  In any professional setting, it is customary to support your employees if they decide to go elsewhere to obtain a promotion that was not available to them at your organization.  That is having class.  Yeah, there are organizations that will be bitter about it, try to railroad you or stop you from leaving, throw a noncompete in your face, etc.  And those are not the kind of organizations you want to work for and they are not the kind of organizations that do well and attract quality talent over time.  

 

Kubiak did a great job here, I wish him nothing but the best.  If I get a better opportunity, I hope my boss treats me the same way the Ravens did Kubiak and if so I will leave on good terms and have nothing but good things to say about my current job.  That's how you do things when you are an adult.  

[K-Dog]

So Super Bowl or bust, what does "bust" mean for Kubiak if they don't win it all?  Would they fire him after 1 season if he doesn't take them all the way?  Personally, I think there is very close to a 0% chance that Peyton Manning plays in 2016.  Looks like he won't retire this year, but if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, OR if he does win one, I think he retires after next season.  If he doesn't get it next season, he won't get it, and I think he knows that and retires.  If he does get it, I think he retires on top.  So Kubiak gets, in all likelihood, at most one season with Peyton.  And to be honest, I really don't see them winning a Super Bowl next season.  I just don't.  This just feels like a bad decision by Kubiak in my opinion.  The money is nice, I'm sure, but working for his buddy John is probably not going to end well when the chips fall and he will be fired some day, at least, in all likelihood.  How's that friendship going to be after that, hmm?

 

 

This fall Peyton steps to the podium and says  " Today I told my team mates,,,,,, that this would be my last ride.... "

[allblackraven]

This fall Peyton steps to the podium and says  " Today I told my team mates,,,,,, that this would be my last ride.... "

 

No way. He'd choke before he ever got to the microphone.

[Inqui]

So Super Bowl or bust, what does "bust" mean for Kubiak if they don't win it all?  Would they fire him after 1 season if he doesn't take them all the way?  Personally, I think there is very close to a 0% chance that Peyton Manning plays in 2016.  Looks like he won't retire this year, but if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, OR if he does win one, I think he retires after next season.  If he doesn't get it next season, he won't get it, and I think he knows that and retires.  If he does get it, I think he retires on top.  So Kubiak gets, in all likelihood, at most one season with Peyton.  And to be honest, I really don't see them winning a Super Bowl next season.  I just don't.  This just feels like a bad decision by Kubiak in my opinion.  The money is nice, I'm sure, but working for his buddy John is probably not going to end well when the chips fall and he will be fired some day, at least, in all likelihood.  How's that friendship going to be after that, hmm?

I have no bad feelings about Kubiak leaving, but I agree with this. There are going to be some growing pains at best next season for them. And then it's back to square one for them and Kubiak's the one holding the bag.

 

Personally I don't have a problem with him leaving and I enjoyed having him for a season, but it seems a bit strange that he'd take off for that kind of situation at this kind of time. But what do I know.

[Alaska Alaska!]

People still talking about Kubiak?

[GrimCoconut]

I think Kubiak could be back after his stint with the Broncos. If he washes out that is. We'll have to see what happens there. I would take him back.

[darklight1216]

So Super Bowl or bust, what does "bust" mean for Kubiak if they don't win it all?  Would they fire him after 1 season if he doesn't take them all the way?  Personally, I think there is very close to a 0% chance that Peyton Manning plays in 2016.  Looks like he won't retire this year, but if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, OR if he does win one, I think he retires after next season.  If he doesn't get it next season, he won't get it, and I think he knows that and retires.  If he does get it, I think he retires on top.  So Kubiak gets, in all likelihood, at most one season with Peyton.  And to be honest, I really don't see them winning a Super Bowl next season.  I just don't.  This just feels like a bad decision by Kubiak in my opinion.  The money is nice, I'm sure, but working for his buddy John is probably not going to end well when the chips fall and he will be fired some day, at least, in all likelihood.  How's that friendship going to be after that, hmm?

Good assessment. It might be risky in the longer term too, because if things really hit the fan, for example if Manning makes the last 5-7 weeks of last season a permanent thing and they can't bring back key guys or something, Kubes could start to really mess up his resume. Houston won, what two games his last season? And then if he goes one and done in Denver, he's probably not going to look so hot.

 

 

I'm going to really be upset if Kubiak is out of a job, but Trestman does not move on to greener pastures during the same period.

This fall Peyton steps to the podium and says  " Today I told my team mates,,,,,, that this would be my last ride.... "

That was a great post.

 

Does Adam Gase have cooties or something? I'm fine with Trestman. His personality seems to be a better fit with Flacco but I thought Gase was this hot up and coming offensive genius. Now nobody seems to want him including his former team.

That really is strange. I wonder what that's about. It's never a good sign when the Jags don't want you. After that, all that's left is playing secondary for the Ravens...

[beasy2487]

So Super Bowl or bust, what does "bust" mean for Kubiak if they don't win it all?  Would they fire him after 1 season if he doesn't take them all the way?  Personally, I think there is very close to a 0% chance that Peyton Manning plays in 2016.  Looks like he won't retire this year, but if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, OR if he does win one, I think he retires after next season.  If he doesn't get it next season, he won't get it, and I think he knows that and retires.  If he does get it, I think he retires on top.  So Kubiak gets, in all likelihood, at most one season with Peyton.  And to be honest, I really don't see them winning a Super Bowl next season.  I just don't.  This just feels like a bad decision by Kubiak in my opinion.  The money is nice, I'm sure, but working for his buddy John is probably not going to end well when the chips fall and he will be fired some day, at least, in all likelihood.  How's that friendship going to be after that, hmm?

 

I see what you're saying, but what if it does work out? What if he wins the Super Bowl to end Peyton Manning's Hall of Fame career, and then begins a dynasty alongside his best friend as the Head Coach of the franchise that gave him his shot in the NFL? Can't draw it up any better than that. Sure, that probably won't happen but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. I'm bummed he left and I hope we dominate them next year, but I can't fault him. 

[Inqui]

I see what you're saying, but what if it does work out? What if he wins the Super Bowl to end Peyton Manning's Hall of Fame career, and then begins a dynasty alongside his best friend as the Head Coach of the franchise that gave him his shot in the NFL? Can't draw it up any better than that. Sure, that probably won't happen but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. I'm bummed he left and I hope we dominate them next year, but I can't fault him. 

With Brock Osweiler emerging as the new Steve Young.