Merged: Kubiak Discussions

[jazz1988]

I'm not concerned about the ZBS. At least two thirds of the NFL teams use a very similar scheme to begin with, as its getting harder and harder to simply go man to man blocking these days anyway.

Definitely true but when it comes to Kubiak and  The Shanahans they are probably the absolute best at using the zone blocking scheme. 

[HoldingCall]

In the field of business you suppose to be prepared for anything. The Ravens knew there was a chance Kubiak was going to leave before the season even started so overall they should of had some bad up plan in mind.

I expect there was/is a backup plan.

[ravensdfan]

Say whatever you like, believe whatever you like, but speculation was everywhere that Fox would be fired if the Broncos lost. Elway & Kubiak have been buddies for 32 years but Kubiak had no clue that might open up? Nope not buying it. See ya Kubiak. Hope you crash and burn in Denver.

Also, with the remaining candidates, who all might be very good OC's, we are still scraping the bottom of the barrel. One comes from a Manning led offense, that is his only experience at OC so you really don't know what his play calling skills are. An unknown in Gase. I do like his QB coaching background.

Knapp - not really an impressive resume. Castillo - zero OC experience. Trestman - very Cam Cam like. Plus all reports have him going to Oakland. So say what you like here, we're not really very prepared.

Also take note of the one statement: "will be difficult to separate the OL's success from Kubiak's scheme". Yep about to see how much Castillo "improved" or if it was Kubiak's tweaks.

[edthehead]

Well, obviously, we aren't going to start interviewing OCs until Kubiak actually accepts the position.

 

Franchise would look extremely bad in every possible aspect if they started interviewing this weekend for a position that isn't even available yet.

 

They may be placing calls and feeling out certain candidates, but its clearly too early for the interview process.

soooo ,,, who do you think they placed calls to.Now it seems like gase is the number 1 candidate for our OC,I think he is FOOLS gold,shananhan is off to atlanta .who is our best option at this point.

[Tank 92]

Say whatever you like, believe whatever you like, but speculation was everywhere that Fox would be fired if the Broncos lost. Elway & Kubiak have been buddies for 32 years but Kubiak had no clue that might open up? Nope not buying it. See ya Kubiak. Hope you crash and burn in Denver.

 

 

Yeah, there's no way they hadn't spoken prior to the colts game.  That's why it's such a head scratcher that Kubes came out with the "building something great" statement.

 

I don't wish any bad on Kubes on a personal level, but anything that horse mouth is associated should just crash and burn! 

[edreed2o]

No way. Joe will still throw passes, our big boys on both sides are among the best in the league. We will even have a secondary next season.

Yea... As long as Jimmy Smith doesnt hold out, Lardarius Webb gets an off the field season ending injury, We find out Asa Jackson has a crack addiction, Will Hill goes back to being the previous Will Hill, Yanda retires and Joe Flacco doesnt agree on the restructuring deal. But hey, it sounds like a normal offseason for us.

[SeaHawk]

None of these candidates are even a quarter the coach that Kubiak was for us. Trying to stay positive and trying to stay real are very hard to do when you're trying to do both at the same time. I definitely see regression

[Sami84]

yeah…its the elephant in the room. Our offense will not take a step forward next year. * unless we get an insane talent in FA or the draft that makes play calling not as important. Makes me wonder if we should take a gamble on josh gordon

[BmoreBird22]

To me, it was high enough of a possibility for him to know better than to make the comments he made regarding staying here.

 

I don't fault him for leaving, I fault him for how he handled it.

It was all just speculation. As others have pointed out, how many coaches win the division every year, with Tebow no less, and get fired? I'm not saying he's a good coach, but he didn't seem like a candidate to get fired

[radicals]

It's kinda hard to stay positive. I'm not mad at Kubiak. Just very disappointed he left. Not very optimistic that if we were to hire Gase, he will be able to control the offense as well as Kubiak did for us. gase led a great offense in Denver but you can only wonder how much of it was because of Manning being the QB. We already have a very tough schedule next year facing both the AFC & NFC West... It's going to be hard to replicate the offensive year we had. Gase might be able to keep the system Kubiak implemented. If not, I feel we will struggle. I think Hammock or Castillo may be interesting role players in our offense. They clearly rejuvenated our run game and o-line in 2014. I wouldn't be against seeing one of them promoted to OC, but I think they would be able to strive under Gase if he were hired. I would Another interesting thing would be see what free agents would come in if we got Gase. Perhaps Demariyus Thomas...I'm being entirely imaginative but I might as well think of something interesting to be optimistic.

[rmcjacket23]

It's kinda hard to stay positive. I'm not mad at Kubiak. Just very disappointed he left. Not very optimistic that if we were to hire Gase, he will be able to control the offense as well as Kubiak did for us. gase led a great offense in Denver but you can only wonder how much of it was because of Manning being the QB. We already have a very tough schedule next year facing both the AFC & NFC West... It's going to be hard to replicate the offensive year we had. Gase might be able to keep the system Kubiak implemented. If not, I feel we will struggle. I think Hammock or Castillo may be interesting role players in our offense. They clearly rejuvenated our run game and o-line in 2014. I wouldn't be against seeing one of them promoted to OC, but I think they would be able to strive under Gase if he were hired. I would Another interesting thing would be see what free agents would come in if we got Gase. Perhaps Demariyus Thomas...I'm being entirely imaginative but I might as well think of something interesting to be optimistic.

Thomas will be a Bronco for a long, long, long time.

 

Not worth even being optimistic about.

[PeRK82]

Can we please get rid of this TOPIC completely.

 

And start a new one with " WHO DO YOU WANT OR WILL BE OUR NEW O.C. "

 

Im done talking about KubiRaT.

 

He really doesnt deserve any attention from any of us RAVENS fans.

[gotekiraven]

I am sick of the constant turnover in our coaching staff. There should be a rule or something that says that a coordinator must serve out his contract before being able to interview for a head coaching job. We have gone through 2 OC in 2 years Before that we couldn't get rid of the other OC for anything in the world. The Ravens might as well be called the mother of NFL coaches, because it always seems that they are giving birth to head coaches, popping them out left and right. If anything, the next time I would like to see the QB coach hired separately, So now Flacco has to get use to yet another new QB coach and a new OC.

 

As for Kubiak, it was said that Fox left because him and Elway had a differing view on what it would take to get the Broncos to the next level and win the superbowl right  Well how in the hell could Kubiak know what it would take, when he couldn't even get it done as the Head Coach in Houston? 

[rmcjacket23]

I am sick of the constant turnover in our coaching staff. There should be a rule or something that says that a coordinator must serve out his contract before being able to interview for a head coaching job. We have gone through 2 OC in 2 years Before that we couldn't get rid of the other OC for anything in the world. The Ravens might as well be called the mother of NFL coaches, because it always seems that they are giving birth to head coaches, popping them out left and right. If anything, the next time I would like to see the QB coach hired separately, So now Flacco has to get use to yet another new QB coach and a new OC

Not exactly realistic, and its not going to happen.

 

If you're going to force coaches to honor the contract they sign, then it would only be prudent to force the teams to honor the same contract.

 

Or, in essence, if the coach sucks, you can't fire him either.

 

Neither the teams nor the coaches would want such requirements to take place...

[PeRK82]

I am sick of the constant turnover in our coaching staff. There should be a rule or something that says that a coordinator must serve out his contract before being able to interview for a head coaching job. We have gone through 2 OC in 2 years Before that we couldn't get rid of the other OC for anything in the world. The Ravens might as well be called the mother of NFL coaches, because it always seems that they are giving birth to head coaches, popping them out left and right. If anything, the next time I would like to see the QB coach hired separately, 

Thats exactly what ive been saying. We should get some draft picks or something.

Who ever we sign next, the clause should have in it that they have to serve a min. of 2 yrs no matter what, unless the RAVENS decide to cut ties.

RAVENS have been through this way way too many times with the DEF. as you can see the affects of it now. our def. is a shell of what it used to be and i honestly feel it because the lack of continuity.

[rmcjacket23]

Thats exactly what ive been saying. We should get some draft picks or something.

Who ever we sign next, the clause should have in it that they have to serve a min. of 2 yrs no matter what, unless the RAVENS decide to cut ties.

RAVENS have been through this way way too many times with the DEF. as you can see the affects of it now. our def. is a shell of what it used to be and i honestly feel it because the lack of continuity.

I suppose they could do that, except if all the NFL teams aren't putting such clauses in their deals, then chances are the Ravens would eliminate potential suitors by having such a dumb provision.

 

Basically, any coach who has other potential suitors would never, ever come here to coach. Then, you won't have to worry about them staying for at least two years, because they aren't great coaches to begin with, so there's no reason for them to leave.

[RavensFanMania]

Not exactly realistic, and its not going to happen.

 

If you're going to force coaches to honor the contract they sign, then it would only be prudent to force the teams to honor the same contract.

 

Or, in essence, if the coach sucks, you can't fire him either.

 

Neither the teams nor the coaches would want such requirements to take place...

I agree it isn't going to happen, but coaches contracts are guaranteed.  You have to pay them whether they are fired or not.

[rmcjacket23]

I agree it isn't going to happen, but coaches contracts are guaranteed.  You have to pay them whether they are fired or not.

Yes, and teams are also protected by being allowed to block basically "lateral" coaching moves.

 

Blocking a coordinator from a HC opportunity, while would appear to be beneficial for the team, is really only going to hurt the team in the long run. Unless the entire league agreed to do it, you'd quickly find yourself having a difficult time attracting quality coaches to come here, particularly if they have HC aspirations.

 

Or, coaches would just adapt, and only agree to sign like 1-2 year deals exclusively, which would just lead to more turnover than already exists.

[Moderator 3]

98 pages is a LOT to weed through.

Try this thread for new OC discussion. It was already in progress under one candidate's name,

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/62157-who-should-be-our-next-oc/

[DMH_in_WA]

Good to see there's a new thread for OC.  Kubiak as the topic was getting old.  I wish him health, but since success for him means success for Elway, I can't wish him that...kind of the opposite.  Ah well.

 

 

One final thing I was thinking today ... Elway kind of screwed us twice on this one.  He fires Fox and the league drops ProBowl duties on our staff. Then he raids (kind of a strong word but too lazy to think of another one right now) our coaching staff, putting us down 5 bodies and at a time we should be working on getting guys squared away for net year our coaching staff still has to go off and coach the ProBowl.  If we had candidates locked in/down it would be okay, but so far we don't. 

 

I can already feel the extra Broncos hatred rising in me for our game with them next season.

[mdrsharon]

Yes, Elway is a creep.

One rule - never work for family or friends , it can go bad and the relationship is never the same.

Also, Peyton is over the hill, every coach that has him gets fired, what a surprise.

Too bad Kubiak doesn't realize all this.

 

Oh well, let's find another offensive brainiac!

 

Go my Ravens!!

[Tank 92]

Yes, Elway is a creep.

One rule - never work for family or friends , it can go bad and the relationship is never the same.

Also, Peyton is over the hill, every coach that has him gets fired, what a surprise.

Too bad Kubiak doesn't realize all this.

 

Oh well, let's find another offensive brainiac!

 

Go my Ravens!!

 

 

well, he already kinda worked for/together with him for about 20 years, so...........

[D-Rey]

Same.

 

And lets start a new topic, i hate this topic. The Tool is gone and he took everyone with him.What a  P.O.S, ill be honest, i am pretty livid. Dream job or not. This is unreal.

 

The Pats dont have to deal with this, what are they doing to keep their Coaches. They are more successful then us , arnt they.

They did lose Josh McDaniels for awhile to the Broncos. He sucked as a HC and came back. No one wants him as a HC anymore.

[K-Dog]

They did lose Josh McDaniels for awhile to the Broncos. He sucked as a HC and came back. No one wants him as a HC anymore.

Didnt Dean Pees come from the patriots ?

[D-Rey]

Didnt Dean Pees come from the patriots ?

Ya he did

[cwfRaven]

Here's here's how I see it - it's like getting left at the altar.

Groom has every intention of marrying his fiance but on their wedding day, his long lost love, who he thought was gone, shows up and professes her undying love for him. So he runs off with her, leaving his fiance there to pick up the pieces. No one faults him for following his heart, but he owes the fiance a serious apology. Period.

[allblackraven]

Here's here's how I see it - it's like getting left at the altar.

Groom has every intention of marrying his fiance but on their wedding day, his long lost love, who he thought was gone, shows up and professes her undying love for him. So he runs off with her, leaving his fiance there to pick up the pieces. No one faults him for following his heart, but he owes the fiance a serious apology. Period.

 

At least in this case fiance is much prettier.

[Underdogsontop!]

Heartbreaker to lose Kubiak, but I believe everything happens for a reason. Hopefully some how or some way there's something better out there for the Ravens!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'm just saying that this season, they could have $40 million to work with. That'll be a really good chunk of change to work with.

They have to sign both Thomas'. And weren't a lot of their FA signings 1 yr deals they'll have to resign?

Either way spend all the cap they want - with manning at qb they're not winning a Super Bowl. They better go all in on mariota or Winston or watch as that window quickly closes bc manning and that talented roster will do just enough to keep them drafting at the back end of the 1st round.

Ain't finding a qb there and as we saw in Houston - kubiak with a very talented roster but no qb gets you 2 playoff appearances in like 8 years.

Have fun watching us in the playoffs Denver!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Definitely true but when it comes to Kubiak and The Shanahans they are probably the absolute best at using the zone blocking scheme.

My thoughts on this are that our guys learned it. Kubiak had to teach it to them and they had to learn it. They did and executed it to perfection. They're all returning and Castillo will still be here to continue to teach.

We just tell whoevers coming in that this is the running game were using, implement your passing game.

Our guys will be able to run it themselves. Now let's improve the passing game which i think either gase or trestman can do.

I'm excited for a new opportunity. joe is going to be the most scheme diverse, adaptable quarterback in the league. He knows every offense and playbook around.

Look for the positives!