Merged: Kubiak Discussions

[rmcjacket23]

You think Gase lands with JAX before interviewing with us?

No idea. Conventional wisdom would think he would surely rather have the Ravens job than the Jags job, but that doesn't really mean much.

 

Gase is an interesting case. No matter what, until he actually starts calling plays, everybody is obviously going to wonder whether or not he's just a product of coaching Peyton Manning.

[GrimCoconut]

Is Mike Shanahan a realistic option to begin with? He's on the short list of repetitive HC candidates annually, and I've heard nobody suggest he's even remotely interested in taking a coordinator job.

We're talking about one of the biggest egos in the entire sport and a guy who generally doesn't even consider a HC position unless he has major say over personnel decisions, which isn't happening in this town.

I get no sense from anybody that he's even remotely being considered, and something tells me he would laugh at any team that asked him to work under another coach...

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/report-mike-shanahan-could-return-49ers-oc

He's certainly being entertained as a potential OC for another team, so it's entirely possible he may entertain an offer from this team if given the opportunity. I've already said I'm not sure how well he'll mesh, but I'm not really commenting on that because that's a mystery to everyone. I agree, though, that his ego could be a problem but I'll trust Ozzie and John on that hire if it's made.

[jazz1988]

Agreed. Same was said about Caldwell, not being a playcaller, when he took over as OC, and then we won the Super Bowl.

Castillo has had about 25 years of coaching. He may have picked up some skills. Of all things, Andy Reid sure thought he could call plays, for the defense.

 

Jim Caldwell may not had been a playcaller before 2012 but he had a  reputation with adding wrinkles and what not to the passing game. He did that with The Buccs and Colts. He was respected around the league as quarterback coach but also for his ideas towards the passing game. When he became our quarterback coach it was him that bought fought the up tempo offense/spread offense which is one of reasons why Harbaugh felt comfortable to make him the offensive coordinator after firing Cam Cameron.

 

 The same can't be said about Juan Castillo but he is a pretty good offensive line coach.

[jazz1988]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/report-mike-shanahan-could-return-49ers-oc

He's certainly being entertained as a potential OC for another team, so it's entirely possible he may entertain an offer from this team if given the opportunity. I've already said I'm not sure how well he'll mesh, but I'm not really commenting on that because that's a mystery to everyone. I agree, though, that his ego could be a problem but I'll trust Ozzie and John on that hire if it's made.

 

I thought Mike Shanahan would be a good options as well.  It's been awhile since he actually called plays though but I kinda would like to see him hired as a senior offensive consultant/head coach assistant(funny) and then maybe if we can get Adam Gase as offensive coodinator those two can work together on keeping the same offensive system Gary Kubiak left.

[bMore Heathen]

You know what? You're right and I'm wrong. I got my guys mixed up. Knapp wouldn't be a bad option at all. He's a WCO guy. He might not be at all bad. I don't recall his blocking system. Does he run ZBS?

I don't recall him running the ZBS, but he has worked with Kubiac, so he's probably familiar with it. I'm not sure about how well. He has always had a good running game, so that's a plus. And if we retain Castillo, we might be alright in terms of running the ball.

I don't know how I feel about Gase at this point. He has shown that he can change his offensive philosophy, from Tebow to Manning, but I feel like we would transition to more of a spread, which we aren't built for at this point. Add into that he's a top choice for HC for the last few year. I just don't want to see us changing systems again only to be in the same situation next year. I get that Gase is probably the best and most experienced, I'm just not sure.

[rmcjacket23]

I don't recall him running the ZBS, but he has worked with Kubiac, so he's probably familiar with it. I'm not sure about how well. He has always had a good running game, so that's a plus. And if we retain Castillo, we might be alright in terms of running the ball.

I don't know how I feel about Gase at this point. He has shown that he can change his offensive philosophy, from Tebow to Manning, but I feel like we would transition to more of a spread, which we aren't built for at this point. Add into that he's a top choice for HC for the last few year. I just don't want to see us changing systems again only to be in the same situation next year. I get that Gase is probably the best and most experienced, I'm just not sure.

I'm not concerned about the ZBS. At least two thirds of the NFL teams use a very similar scheme to begin with, as its getting harder and harder to simply go man to man blocking these days anyway.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't recall him running the ZBS, but he has worked with Kubiac, so he's probably familiar with it. I'm not sure about how well. He has always had a good running game, so that's a plus. And if we retain Castillo, we might be alright in terms of running the ball.

I don't know how I feel about Gase at this point. He has shown that he can change his offensive philosophy, from Tebow to Manning, but I feel like we would transition to more of a spread, which we aren't built for at this point. Add into that he's a top choice for HC for the last few year. I just don't want to see us changing systems again only to be in the same situation next year. I get that Gase is probably the best and most experienced, I'm just not sure.

I definitely understand not wanting to lose another OC as a head coach but you can't just decide to go with a different guy because you don't want to lose your coordinator the following year. If he's good he'll be gone regardless. I'd rather constantly have new OC who are great (not saying Gase is) than sign a guy who's good and probably won't get poached.

[Hjulmann]

Gosh I'm so sick of having a new OC every other season... I hope we rail the Broncos next season

[bMore Heathen]

I definitely understand not wanting to lose another OC as a head coach but you can't just decide to go with a different guy because you don't want to lose your coordinator the following year. If he's good he'll be gone regardless. I'd rather constantly have new OC who are great (not saying Gase is) than sign a guy who's good and probably won't get poached.

I mean him leaving part of it, but a system change is the part that worries me. I guess it would be easier to find or promote somebody with Gase's philosophy than Kubiac's, but still. All we can do is wait and see...

[jazz1988]

I don't recall him running the ZBS, but he has worked with Kubiac, so he's probably familiar with it. I'm not sure about how well. He has always had a good running game, so that's a plus. And if we retain Castillo, we might be alright in terms of running the ball.

I don't know how I feel about Gase at this point. He has shown that he can change his offensive philosophy, from Tebow to Manning, but I feel like we would transition to more of a spread, which we aren't built for at this point. Add into that he's a top choice for HC for the last few year. I just don't want to see us changing systems again only to be in the same situation next year. I get that Gase is probably the best and most experienced, I'm just not sure.

 

Knapp for sure runs a zone blocking scheme because he try it with The Raiders during his time with them in 2012 and it was a  epic fail for their running game because they didn't have the players/running back to fit it. Adam Gase is quite interesting because the guy has been expose to so many different offensive schemes from the air corydell, west coast, and erhardt-perkins. 

 

The Broncos did run a zone blocking scheme last season so atleast he will have some knowledge on that but it is kinda concerning to know if he does a great job  he might be gone after the 2015 season.

[GrimCoconut]

If we could somehow have our cake and eat it too by getting Gase a OC with Knapp as QB coach I'd consider that a coup

[The Raven]

Knapp for sure runs a zone blocking scheme because he try it with The Raiders during his time with them in 2012 and it was a  epic fail for their running game because they didn't have the players/running back to fit it. Adam Gase is quite interesting because the guy has been expose to so many different offensive schemes from the air corydell, west coast, and erhardt-perkins. 

 

The Broncos did run a zone blocking scheme last season so atleast he will have some knowledge on that but it is kinda concerning to know if he does a great job  he might be gone after the 2015 season.

 

What I like about Gase is how scheme versatile he is.The Broncos' offensive approach has varied a lot in the past couple years. They run a little bit of everything, passing wise. They do both zone AND man blocking. Gase is quite a versatile coach from what I can see. 

 

What I also like about him is that he has experience as a QB coach AND as a WR coach. We could use a coach with a deeper insight into the WR position.

[The Raven]

If we could somehow have our cake and eat it too by getting Gase a OC with Knapp as QB coach I'd consider that a coup

 

I mean, we pulled off a coup last year with Kubiak and Dennison. We could maybe pull this off? We'd be lucky to pull it off, but it's possible.

[GrimCoconut]

Knapp for sure runs a zone blocking scheme because he try it with The Raiders during his time with them in 2012 and it was a epic fail for their running game because they didn't have the players/running back to fit it. Adam Gase is quite interesting because the guy has been expose to so many different offensive schemes from the air corydell, west coast, and erhardt-perkins.

The Broncos did run a zone blocking scheme last season so atleast he will have some knowledge on that but it is kinda concerning to know if he does a great job he might be gone after the 2015 season.

That was the year where McFadden had a terrible year and he blamed it on the ZBS right?

[ratedr]

No to Knapp.

[jazz1988]

That was the year where McFadden had a terrible year and he blamed it on the ZBS right?

 

Yes 

[GrimCoconut]

I mean, we pulled off a coup last year with Kubiak and Dennison. We could maybe pull this off? We'd be lucky to pull it off, but it's possible.

Yeah, it's possible. I'm going to be cautiously optimistic. If we did land them then that would be perfect. If Gase leaves next year you'd possibly have his replacement in Knapp. I also agree that Gase could be good since he knows all the different offenses. I just hope he's not a jack of all master of none.

[jazz1988]

What I like about Gase is how scheme versatile he is.The Broncos' offensive approach has varied a lot in the past couple years. They run a little bit of everything, passing wise. They do both zone AND man blocking. Gase is quite a versatile coach from what I can see. 

 

What I also like about him is that he has experience as a QB coach AND as a WR coach. We could use a coach with a deeper insight into the WR position.

 

I feel the same but I hope he likes using full backs lol. I just like seeing Juice being used in the passing game .

[The Raven]

I feel the same but I hope he likes using full backs lol. I just like seeing Juice being used in the passing game .

 

Gase strikes me as the kind of coach that uses what he has, instead of getting what he needs. Know what I mean?

[JoeyFlex5]

Agreed. Same was said about Caldwell, not being a playcaller, when he took over as OC, and then we won the Super Bowl.

Castillo has had about 25 years of coaching. He may have picked up some skills. Of all things, Andy Reid sure thought he could call plays, for the defense.

we won the super bowl because he gave joe more creative control and all he did was go to using the middle of the field more. he was a horrible playcaller the year prior when teams made minor adjustments.

[Militant X 1]

The only thing that I hate about Kubiak leaving is that Joe Flacco has never had a solid O.C. to work with for a long period of time.  That's a shame!  The Baltimore Ravens now must continue to show their resilience and adaptability with all of these constant changes from year to year.  They can do it!

[bMore Heathen]

Gase strikes me as the kind of coach that uses what he has, instead of getting what he needs. Know what I mean?

I can respect this. He has shown the ability to change his system completely and still be sucessful. Just as the squeelers!!! Lol

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

I think right now Gase would have to be my front-runner, there are some concerns though.  My first concern is why other teams seem to be staying away from him, I could see SF and Denver not wanting him for a HC at age 36 but I am wondering why other teams aren't trying quickly to scoop him up for an OC position, specially with Fox not wanting him in CHI.  My next concern would obviously be him being another one and done but with our organization, any coordinator that has success is going to be considered for a promotion job of sorts so it is what it is.  And how much of Gase's success is due to Peyton.  On the other hand, Peyton swears by the guys and has called him the smartest guy he knows, excelling in creating match up problems and game planning.  He is versatile and with our Oline I think we could use both ZBS and MBS effectively.  Another plus is he could bring Knapp along with him, and as we saw with the combo of Kubes, Dennison and Pariani that mesh of coaches makes it easier to implement.  Throw in a guy like Castillio, I think there are enough minds there to keep this thing on the right track toward another playoff run next year.

[RavensFanMania]

Gase strikes me as the kind of coach that uses what he has, instead of getting what he needs. Know what I mean?

Yes, but learning new verbage is not easy.  If we could do base WCO with the same verbage to make it easier on the players it would be beneficial. 

 

I'd like to see Marc Trestman because he is a WCO guy and did wonders with Josh McNown when Jay Cutler was injured in 2013.  I don't blame last year on Trestman.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

 

Pretty soon all this vilifying of our competitors is gonna resemble a comic book narrative.  "HorseFace" "Tom Baby" "The Red Rifle"

So Dick Tracy? Is Al Pacino going to be in this? I want to see him play HorseFace?

 

@RapSheet: #Broncos OC Adam Gase is expected to land in either Jacksonville or Baltimore, source said. #Ravens plan to interview him soon.

Will be very interesting when we play them.

Better than nothing I suppose. 

[3-4ravdef509]

There was speculation, but as someone else said, apparently Adam Schefter said very few in the NFL actually thought he'd get fired

 

To me, it was high enough of a possibility for him to know better than to make the comments he made regarding staying here.

 

I don't fault him for leaving, I fault him for how he handled it.

[platinumxx2]

NFL website just confirmed Gase met with JAX on Sunday and is interviewing with us next

[StingerNLG]

Hey since we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, I hear Chan Gailey might be available.   Everyone but him thinks he's been hired by the Jets.   We could swoop in and get him!   He's only 60 years old and out of the league two years.   Perfect fit!!

[RavensFanMania]

NFL website just confirmed Gase met with JAX on Sunday and is interviewing with us next

That's good news.  He's supposed to be great at exposing matchup problems and putting together a game plan.  I stil hope we interview Trestman, but would hope if we landed Gase he would keep the ZBS in tact.

[Militant X 1]

That's good news.  He's supposed to be great at exposing matchup problems and putting together a game plan.  I stil hope we interview Trestman, but would hope if we landed Gase he would keep the ZBS in tact.

 

Perhaps.

 

Here is what I found out and like about Gase....

 

Adam Gase enters his sixth year with the Denver Broncos and his second season as the club’s offensive coordinator after being named to that position on Jan. 17, 2013.  Prior to his position as offensive coordinator, he spent two seasons (2011-12) coaching Denver’s quarterbacks and two years (2009-10) instructing the club’s wide receivers.  In Gase’s first season as offensive coordinator, the Broncos set the NFL single-season scoring mark (606 pts.) and became the first team in 45 years to top 50 points in three separate games. The team’s scoring differential (+10.1 ppg) over the league’s second-ranked scoring offense was the second-highest in professional football history to the 1941 Chicago Bears (+12.5 ppg).

 

^ Impressive!