Merged: Kubiak Discussions

[Tiz]

I sincerely hope Kubiak is sitting at home on his couch next February watching the Ravens hoist up the Lombardi.

Well duh. It has more to do with us wining that feelings about any other team

[Alaska Alaska!]

I look forward to watching the Broncos crash and burn for the next 4 years.  That'll wipe the smile off of horseface's smug face.

Pretty soon all this vilifying of our competitors is gonna resemble a comic book narrative.  "HorseFace" "Tom Baby" "The Red Rifle"

[Tiz]

I've seen this a couple times. He was made DC after Philly fired their DC and without him ever coaching on the defensive side of the ball. No wonder he failed .. he's a purely offensive minded coach.

1996 Offensive Assistant; 1997 TE coach; 1998-2010 (13 seasons) Offensive Line Coach

2011 is when he took over as DC, fired in 2012 and went back to offense as Ravens OL coach in 2013. Saying he's no good because of his job as a DC doesn't make much sense .. he should never have been a DC. But that's Philly for you.

Kinda like baltimore making Nolan a wr coach?

[Bruce_Almty]

Offensive coordinators are all well and good for practice, but Flacco should have much more latitude to make the play call at the LOS. He had a very good season this year, I'd hate to see him and the team regress next year.

[HoldingCall]

Wow LOL didn't take you long to change your mind about Castillo.

Gary Kubiak showed me how to do that, lol.

[Alaska Alaska!]

Gary Kubiak showed me how to do that, lol.

HaHaHa!

[Tiz]

Offensive coordinators are all well and good for practice, but Flacco should have much more latitude to make the play call at the LOS. He had a very good season this year, I'd hate to see him and the team regress next year.

Iirc he did this year too. There was talk about it before the season and during the bye.

I still wanna see January joe year round

[1/28/01]

I'm going to Colorado (Breckenridge) in March. May have to seek out Kubiak or Elway and say "hi".

[ravenfan12560]

My original point had been based on the assumption that he had OC experience from Philly in place of DC. However you are correct! It doesn't mean he won't get the job or wouldn't be good at it. He just has no proven ability as an OC.

Yeah, and remember the history of Castillo and the Ravens. First John Harbaugh brought him in as a consultant in the Super Bowl year, as soon as Cam was gone, he couldn't even wait until the next year. Then the following year, Harbaugh couldn't really fire his O-line coach so he invented the Juan running game coordinator position in a move that demonstrated a commitment to Castillo even though it led to some confusion for the O-line. The run game was a disaster and the o-line as well that year. Castillo then moves to O-line coach and the Ravens hire an OC (Kubiak) who fits with Castillo's blocking schemes, knowing also that if Kubiak is successful there is a good chance he moves on. Everything works from an o-line standpoint and in fact all the young players on the o-line way outperform expectations. The o-line goes from being a weakpoint to a strongpoint. To Ozzie this might help to affirm what Harbaugh says about Castillo, that he's one of the best. Castillo has been known from years in Philly to enable a very strong running game and had major involvement in running that offense. Harbaugh has always seemed to favor a run first mentality and is a disciple of the same coach as Juan, Andy Reid. I think Castillo was already the heir apparent to Kubiak. This was the plan and I also think Castillo was being considered last year before Kubiak took the job. Castillo is Harbaugh's guy, and he has 20+ years of coaching experience that he can use to find assistants.

[ravensfan160]

I don't blame Kubiak for leaving even after saying he wouldn't. It's just unfortunate because how this all went down really hurt us. Now we're left to pick at the scraps of the coaching pile for not only a new OC but probably a QB coach and TE coach when Kubiak inevitable takes those guys with him to Denver.

[jimmypowder]

I don't blame Kubiak for leaving even after saying he wouldn't. It's just unfortunate because how this all went down really hurt us. Now we're left to pick at the scraps of the coaching pile for not only a new OC but probably a QB coach and TE coach when Kubiak inevitable takes those guys with him to Denver.

Will you blame him if our offense is a mess next season because the window for hiring a good OC(Shanahan) was closed by his flip flop?

[Tru11]

ravenfan12560, on 19 Jan 2015 - 3:08 PM, said:

Yeah, and remember the history of Castillo and the Ravens. First John Harbaugh brought him in as a consultant in the Super Bowl year, as soon as Cam was gone, he couldn't even wait until the next year. Then the following year, Harbaugh couldn't really fire his O-line coach so he invented the Juan running game coordinator position in a move that demonstrated a commitment to Castillo even though it led to some confusion for the O-line. The run game was a disaster and the o-line as well that year. Castillo then moves to O-line coach and the Ravens hire an OC (Kubiak) who fits with Castillo's blocking schemes, knowing also that if Kubiak is successful there is a good chance he moves on. Everything works from an o-line standpoint and in fact all the young players on the o-line way outperform expectations. The o-line goes from being a weakpoint to a strongpoint. To Ozzie this might help to affirm what Harbaugh says about Castillo, that he's one of the best. Castillo has been known from years in Philly to enable a very strong running game and had major involvement in running that offense. Harbaugh has always seemed to favor a run first mentality and is a disciple of the same coach as Juan, Andy Reid. I think Castillo was already the heir apparent to Kubiak. This was the plan and I also think Castillo was being considered last year before Kubiak took the job. Castillo is Harbaugh's guy, and he has 20+ years of coaching experience that he can use to find assistants.

 

he has 0 experience in playcalling and im pretty sure andy reid ran that offense.

 

Castillo is know for turning 1st round o-liners into pro bowlers lol

[jazz1988]

Will you blame him if our offense is a mess next season because the window for hiring a good OC(Shanahan) was closed by his flip flop?

 

In the field of business you suppose to be prepared for anything. The Ravens knew there was a chance Kubiak was going to leave before the season even started so overall they should of had some bad up plan in mind.

[ravensfan160]

Will you blame him if our offense is a mess next season because the window for hiring a good OC(Shanahan) was closed by his flip flop?

We've got the QB and offensive line in place that should make our offense solid no matter who the OC is. So no I wouldn't blame Kubiak. Besides, maybe now is our chance to get a young up and coming guy who will actually be here awhile. We all thought when we hired Kubiak in the first place he was only a rental.

[Dr. Kelley]

Wouldn't surprise me if this entire fiasco was planned. We are in competition with the Broncos after all.

I mean, think about it. Media is speculating that Fox could be fired if the Broncos lose. Kubiak comes out with that big unsolicited announcement about building something great. Elway doesn't fire Fox right away, no waits a day. Doesn't ask to interview Kubiak right away, waits a few days. Let's all the good options make other commitments. Then he makes his move. Done deal, neat as a pin, Ravens are left scrambling through the leftovers.

Just a thought.

This thought did cross my mind. After our divisional loss, we were touted as a major afc contender next year. I wouldn't put it past elway to have planned for as much damage to be done as possible to weaken a rival for the afc crown, especially since he is in win now mode.

[JoeyFlex5]

No. However, I think Juan is one of John's guys. He has demonstrated a lot of success this year. John is loyal. Juan is very experienced and he is right there. Jason Lacaforna speculated more than a year ago that Juan might be John's long term goal to be OC. I think if you think about who the Ravens are, who John is, and recent history, Juan is right there.

juan is not a playcaller, he is possibly the best teacher an offensive lineman could ever ask for, but he had a hand in the playcalling in 2013, i mean, what else could "offensive line coordinator" mean? he had to have had a small hand in the playcalling. 

 

who knows, maybe he would dial up an incredible run game, but i dont know how he calls the passing game, kubiak was a bit of a wiz with getting the unsuspecting guy open for a surprise play, its possible juan castillo gets in way over his head when he tries to start calling route combinations. 

 

but then again, an offensive line coach of his stature could be interesting, maybe he knows a way to hold off pass rush that other teams cant counter or something?

[Dr. Kelley]

Pretty soon all this vilifying of our competitors is gonna resemble a comic book narrative. "HorseFace" "Tom Baby" "The Red Rifle"

Sounds like villains from Dick Tracy

[Almaxel]

Kubiak, you gave your word to stay and now broke it. You are dead to me!

[Gordo52]

@RapSheet: #Broncos OC Adam Gase is expected to land in either Jacksonville or Baltimore, source said. #Ravens plan to interview him soon.

Will be very interesting when we play them.

[GrimCoconut]

From what I've heard, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said that he's staying in Miami. Perhaps he and Philbin want to "build something special" in Miami. Lol! I couldn't help myself.

It depends. I heard rumblings that Philbin was only there because they were waiting until after the SB. I can see the Dolphins dump him and sign McDaniels, for instance, to come there. It wouldn't surprise me to say the least. 

[GrimCoconut]

@RapSheet: #Broncos OC Adam Gase is expected to land in either Jacksonville or Baltimore, source said. #Ravens plan to interview him soon.

Will be very interesting when we play them.

He's probably my top guy right now, with Shanahan behind him.  Knapp would be last. I'm not feeling any of the Ravens in-house candidates. Gase or bust for me. I doubt  Shanahan comes here and Knapp has never called plays. Maybe we can bring Knapp here as a QB coach, though?

[Gordo52]

I think if it's between us and the Jags, Ravens have him if we want him.

Sucks that he'll likely be a 1 year rental if we have success though.

[ravenfan12560]

juan is not a playcaller, he is possibly the best teacher an offensive lineman could ever ask for, but he had a hand in the playcalling in 2013, i mean, what else could "offensive line coordinator" mean? he had to have had a small hand in the playcalling. 

 

who knows, maybe he would dial up an incredible run game, but i dont know how he calls the passing game, kubiak was a bit of a wiz with getting the unsuspecting guy open for a surprise play, its possible juan castillo gets in way over his head when he tries to start calling route combinations. 

 

but then again, an offensive line coach of his stature could be interesting, maybe he knows a way to hold off pass rush that other teams cant counter or something?

Agreed. Same was said about Caldwell, not being a playcaller, when he took over as OC, and then we won the Super Bowl.

Castillo has had about 25 years of coaching. He may have picked up some skills. Of all things, Andy Reid sure thought he could call plays, for the defense.

[Gordo52]

He's probably my top guy right now, with Shanahan behind him. Knapp would be last. I'm not feeling any of the Ravens in-house candidates. Gase or bust for me. I doubt Shanahan comes here and Knapp has never called plays. Maybe we can bring Knapp here as a QB coach, though?

Same....I put Trestman 2nd though. I get why people say no but I think he'd be worth the risk. Also isn't a HC candidate for at least another 2 years most likely regardless what our offense does in his first year, imo. Would like some continuity for once unless he doesn't do good....

Not sure about Knapp at QB coach. I think he'll prefer Denver now that his old staff is there, unless we interview him for OC.... I expect Kubiak to bring him in any day now.

[rmcjacket23]

He's probably my top guy right now, with Shanahan behind him.  Knapp would be last. I'm not feeling any of the Ravens in-house candidates. Gase or bust for me. I doubt  Shanahan comes here and Knapp has never called plays. Maybe we can bring Knapp here as a QB coach, though?

Shanahan is going to the Falcons. Its essentially a done deal.

 

He's not part of the consideration anymore.

[bMore Heathen]

He's probably my top guy right now, with Shanahan behind him. Knapp would be last. I'm not feeling any of the Ravens in-house candidates. Gase or bust for me. I doubt Shanahan comes here and Knapp has never called plays. Maybe we can bring Knapp here as a QB coach, though?

I'm pretty sure Knapp was the OC and play caller with the Falcons (Vick), Raiders, 49ers and Seahawks. So he does have experience calling plays, and was with Houston's staff for a couple years under Kubiac. I'm not saying he's the best option or anything, but he does have some experience.

I assume Marty Mornhinweg got fired with the rest of Rex's staff in NY. He knows Harbs from their Philly days. Again, not saying he's the best choice, but could be an option.

[GrimCoconut]

Shanahan is going to the Falcons. Its essentially a done deal.

He's not part of the consideration anymore.

I suppose I have to spell things out for you, but I'm clearly referring to Mike considering that Kyle is not an option. Next time you should clarify if not sure rather than assuming. I didn't think I needed to specify that I was referring to Mike considering that Kyle isn't an option. Seemed obvious. Guesd not but nice try.

[rmcjacket23]

I suppose I have to spell things out for you, but I'm clearly referring to Mike considering that Kyle is not an option. Next time you should clarify if not sure rather than assuming. I didn't think I needed to specify that I was referring to Mike considering that Kyle isn't an option. Seemed obvious. Guesd not but nice try.

Is Mike Shanahan a realistic option to begin with? He's on the short list of repetitive HC candidates annually, and I've heard nobody suggest he's even remotely interested in taking a coordinator job.

 

We're talking about one of the biggest egos in the entire sport and a guy who generally doesn't even consider a HC position unless he has major say over personnel decisions, which isn't happening in this town.

 

I get no sense from anybody that he's even remotely being considered, and something tells me he would laugh at any team that asked him to work under another coach...

[GrimCoconut]

I'm pretty sure Knapp was the OC and play caller with the Falcons (Vick), Raiders, 49ers and Seahawks. So he does have experience calling plays, and was with Houston's staff for a couple years under Kubiac. I'm not saying he's the best option or anything, but he does have some experience.

I assume Marty Mornhinweg got fired with the rest of Rex's staff in NY. He knows Harbs from their Philly days. Again, not saying he's the best choice, but could be an option.

You know what? You're right and I'm wrong. I got my guys mixed up. Knapp wouldn't be a bad option at all. He's a WCO guy. He might not be at all bad. I don't recall his blocking system. Does he run ZBS?

[platinumxx2]

You think Gase lands with JAX before interviewing with us?