Merged: Kubiak Discussions

[Alaska Alaska!]

I dunno why we go through this gnashing of teeth.  We're Ravens fans.  We wouldn't know what to do with a consistently good offense if we had one.  It's like giving a monkey an Xbox.  Oh sure, he has fun mashing the buttons and being amazed at the pretty lights on the screen, but after a while he gets that glazed over look and then breaks the controller over a rock.  You don't want that to happen do you?

 

No, of course not ... so, back to the familiar territory of "WAIT ..WHAT?!!  .. it was 3rd and 2 .. what are you doing?  WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!  Ok ... D got it back now ... OH FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS BIG AND SMALL ... A DOUBLE REVERSE?  AGAIN?  AGAIN?!!  *vibrate*"

LOL, did the ref in your sig die? 

[ravensdfan]

I dunno why we go through this gnashing of teeth.  We're Ravens fans.  We wouldn't know what to do with a consistently good offense if we had one.  It's like giving a monkey an Xbox.  Oh sure, he has fun mashing the buttons and being amazed at the pretty lights on the screen, but after a while he gets that glazed over look and then breaks the controller over a rock.  You don't want that to happen do you?

 

No, of course not ... so, back to the familiar territory of "WAIT ..WHAT?!!  .. it was 3rd and 2 .. what are you doing?  WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!  Ok ... D got it back now ... OH FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS BIG AND SMALL ... A DOUBLE REVERSE?  AGAIN?  AGAIN?!!  *vibrate*"

Except we don't have that D anymore. The "getting it back" from our D is very rare and making the other team punt is even more rare.

[H8R]

How would people feel about MIKE Shannihan as the OC?

[ravensdfan]

How would people feel about MIKE Shannihan as the OC?

Been mentioned. Seems people think he'd be another one year rental.

[H8R]

That was a pretty unique opportunity, to be fair. My money's still on promoting Thomas Hammock.

What gives you that idea? I'm curious... Because the guy doesn't have any experience

[H8R]

Been mentioned. Seems people think he'd be another one year rental.

If we get to where we need to, anybody probably would be...

[H8R]

I understand the idea; but, I'm not too fond of it. Mike Shanahan probably would want too much control and his last few years in the league were nothing to get excited over.

He was working under Dan Snyder.

[rmw10]

I guess this thread title can change now…

 

 

[FredTomison]

Yes but it's quite possible that Castillo could be a good offensive coordinator.

 

Yes, I agree.

 

I just responded in another thread that those who hate the guy are simply not willing to admit they were wrong about him last year. He has done a fantastic job this year and it was not all Kubiak's doing. Has anyone actually look at his OL stats and DC stats from Philly? They are actually pretty good. He was scapegoated. He was an easy target because the guy never throws anyone under the train. He is extremely humble, which is rare in the dog-eat-dog world of the NFL.

[Alaska Alaska!]

No more one year rentals.  I want an OC that's ready to build a house in MD

[DomMcRaven]

I think Harbaugh already has our new OC on the team, and it's called Madden. He's going to clearly just turn on Madden and let it call the plays. Use Kubiak's playbook and work from there. 

 

In all seriousness, it's certainly a quandary we have right here. I think the ideal replacement was Kyle, considering that he would be motivated to look awesome and get a HC promotion. I can understand why Kyle chose Atlanta, though. Atlanta is a good gig and he will call all the shots and additionally he will turn that franchise around and get a lot more notoriety for doing it. Here, he would have yet again been in Kubiak's shadow. I get the move for him. 

 

I do like the idea of Lane Kiffin, but I am not sure about that either. He has a really really really bad habit of zoning in on one WR and just using that one guy. I would avoid him at all costs, personally. I think he's way too one dimensional and I think it would hurt Flacco more than help. 

 

I'm mixed on Gase. He could be great, could not be that great. I have no idea what he brings because he's an enigma. 

 

I do like the idea of Mike Shanahan, because I personally think he's one of the best at it but the question is whether he wants to do it. I'm not sure if he's all into the idea of taking a back seat to Harbaugh. It could work, though. 

 

I think Craig Ver Steeg could be an option, a 7-year in-house candidate  who is the offensive assistant and probably learned some things from Kubiak. I don't like Engram as an option--he has never been a coordinator anywhere, really. On the subject of Hammock, I'm not so sure I like that idea, considering that he hasn't had a ton of experience as an OC either at the collegiate level. I just don't see any options on the team outside of CVS (lol, the pharmacy), who doesn't have a lot of OC experience either although he has been here a very long time and has also been around a very long time. It's either him or Castillo, as others have said. 

 

I think we have to go outside the organization. Perhaps Joe Philbin if he's fired?

From what I've heard, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said that he's staying in Miami. Perhaps he and Philbin want to "build something special" in Miami. Lol! I couldn't help myself.

[DMH_in_WA]

LOL, did the ref in your sig die?

It almost seems like it, doesn't it?

[ravenfan12560]

Tough one. He has no past play calling expierience. Things didn't go to well when he was promoted to defensive coordinator for the Eagles. I have a hard time believing he's ready to call the shots on offense. He should stick to what he's good at.

 I agree, Juan Castillo has no playcalling experience on Offense. Yet, John did bring him into the very awkward and eventually temporary position of being running game coordinator, which may have involved input on playcalling. He also certainly worked closely with Kubiak this year it seems with some success. Also, think about the fact that two very good head coaches, John Harbaugh and Andy Reid seem to have a ton of confidence in the guy. Andy Reid so much so that he took Juan who was a career O-line coach and suddenly made him the D-Coordinator. Was Andy Reid really that stupid, or was Juan really that impressive as an assistant coach? Yeah, probably a combo of both. It just demonstrates that Juan may be the type of guy that impresses a head coach enough to put him out there.

[Inqui]

What gives you that idea? I'm curious... Because the guy doesn't have any experience

Team sources.

 

In seriousness, you do have a point. I could just see him being one of the guys we'd give a look in, depending on how he looked with Kubiak as OC. You'd back him to focus on the running game while giving Joe a lot more control than a bigger name might.

[Inqui]

How would people feel about MIKE Shannihan as the OC?

I'd be happy enough if we could pull that off. In my perfect world he'd become a Norv Turner kind of figure, since he doesn't seem like too much of a hot name for HC these days.

[PurpleCity5]

I'd be happy enough if we could pull that off. In my perfect world he'd become a Norv Turner kind of figure, since he doesn't seem like too much of a hot name for HC these days.

Shannihan is a good candidate, but I don't think we'll reach continuity with him. We need a OC that'll be here for a while. 

[Bmoreazfan]

I don't think Shanahan would gel right with our offense personally. I seem to remember him constantly making the news for battling it out with his own players especially the qb's. I would rather get someone that connected a little better with the players and played on the nfl level also...

[PurpleCity5]

I don't think Shanahan would gel right with our offense personally. I seem to remember him constantly making the news for battling it out with his own players especially the qb's. I would rather get someone that connected a little better with the players and played on the nfl level also...

I also feel like we need an OC that get's along with his QB as well.... 

[allblackraven]

I'm all for an OC by committee system. Before every play, we come to a consensus in the game threads about what the play will be. Once we've decided, we get one of the admins or someone like Ryan Mink to ring up Joe with the play we've decided on.

 

Good luck getting consensus here on 4th & short anywhere over their 45y line. 

[allblackraven]

How would people feel about MIKE Shannihan as the OC?

 

I wouldn't mind but I'm not sure he wants anything less than HC job.

[jazz1988]

Successful coordinators are always rewarded with head coaching opportunities, unless if you're of the Dick LeBeau kind, who were either a terrible head coach, previously, or just don't have aspirations to lead a NFL team (which would be highly unlikely).

 

So, having an O.C. that'll be here for awhile is a moot point... unless if you want a coordinator that's the offensive equivalent of Dean Pees...

 

EDIT: While I wasn't the biggest fan of either Rick Dennison or Brian Pariani becoming the offensive coordinator, it really, really stings to lose them. That, right there, takes away any potential continuity the offense could have had by learning from Gary Kubiak.

 

At worst, one of Kubiak's understudies could have continued his philosophies with this offense. But, now, that's all gone...

 

 

True but honestly if John Elway wasn't good buddies with Gary Kubiak would he had really got the job? It's not always about how good you are but who you know.

[MTRavensFan]

I don't think Shanahan would gel right with our offense personally. I seem to remember him constantly making the news for battling it out with his own players especially the qb's. I would rather get someone that connected a little better with the players and played on the nfl level also...

I totally agree with this.

Shanny has a reputation for not being able to get along with ANYBODY...

 

I'm not too impressed with Gase, either. I have to wonder if , instead of spending his bye week interviewing for new jobs, he had actually done the job that was his - ie come up with a game plan for the Colts - none of us would be in this situation right now.

[GrimCoconut]

My biggest concern isn't losing Kubiak or necessarily his coordinators. My biggest concern is that we now need new positional coaches for our QB and TE. I could've lived if we retained one of them but losing them all sucks. It's also a shame because we lost our long-time TE coach to bring in Kubiak's guy, who bolted with him to Denver. Kinda blows, to be honest. Furthermore, we also will truly see how much of an impact Kubiak had on the OL. That's my biggest concern right there--the OL. I sincerely hope the OL's success was more Castillo than Kubiak. 

[cursona pirate]

I wish Joe Flacco would come out and be like "bruh".

[ratedr]

No more one year rentals.  I want an OC that's ready to build a house in MD

Well, apparently even that doesn't stop a guy from being a one year rental.

[Guest Omerta]

Who's in college, that we should look at?

Scott Frost would be my ideal candidate now matter who is available at this point.

[codizzle]

So we lose Kubiak and the chance for Kyle all in one night..

Just freaking fantastic

[BSHU_Miami]

I Hope Kyle doesn't make Elite Matty butt and well known name again, It was refresting not to hear his name this year.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Honestly I was very surprised Kubiak declined interviews with the 3 or so teams that offered him HC gigs a few weeks ago. I knew from the second we hired Kubiak that he would be a rental, it was my biggest problem with him. I speculated last year that with Kubiak we would have an improved (but not overly amazing) new offense in 2014, and that Kubiak would use that leverage to get himself a new HC job. Kubiak got more of a stress reducing gig here in Baltimore, succeeded and opened up new doors for himself. And it would be hard for any coordinator to decline working with Peyton Manning and one of the top teams in the NFL. Kubiak showed that his system can definitely propel a struggling offense, and maybe now he can help Peyton Manning as he ages and his skill declines.

As for out new OC search, Ozzie and Harbaugh can make it very simple. Keep this same system and find an OC who can run it successfully and can maybe bring some new talent to the table. Mike Shannahan is the most intriguing prospect due to the fact that he is pretty much the gran daddy of this system and taught Gary Kubiak the ropes back in Denver a while ago. However Shannahans attitude and mindset might come as highly questioned from his previous fallout in Washington, and his desire to be an OC may be in question too...does he want to stay for the long run or pull a Kubiak next off season?

I'd say we will look for a guy who can successfully run a Kubiak style zone blocking based PA style offense similar to what we got, or something close to it. Definitely be surprised if we changed systems again this offseason

[ratedr]

I Hope Kyle doesn't make Elite Matty butt and well known name again, It was refresting not to hear his name this year.

The Falcons will remain irrelevant if they don't get any defensive talent in the draft.