Merged: Kubiak Discussions

[Inqui]

I don't believe they could block that either, unless Dennison went with Gary and was a QB coach elsewhere.

 

I don't believe you are allowed to block assistant coaches from taking promotional jobs, so if Dennison left to go be the OC with Kubiak, I don't think we could stop him.

 

Plus, needless to say, I'm sure the coach himself wouldn't be very happy if you could block him and did from essentially taking a better, higher paying position. My guess is he would just resign if that were the case.

And it wouldn't look good for the Ravens down the line when it comes to hiring other guys.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

The Jets are coming, the  Jets are coming! All puns intended, but Rex is toast and with the fact that he may know defense, he don't know "O"! They will bring their money and that "Rotten Apple"  appeal and want that offense no matter what the cost. I just hope that coach "K" would not fall for that and take another year to wait it out. Gary, I know a H.C. job is what you'd really like but to lead the Raven's to something we never been known for(except the Ring)? Pad that resume and wait, the best has yet to come. For you and us (another ring?) 

[ravensnick]

It was not a heart attack, it was a mini-stroke.

"The official diagnosis is that Kubiak suffered a TIA, or transient ischemic attack, which occurs when a blood clot blocks an artery for a short time and affects blood flow in the brain.

A TIA involves temporary but reversible loss of function, and doctors tell Rapoport there are no residual effects. A TIA is considered to be a warning that blood flow is not what it should be and can be seen as a precursor for a larger stroke."

--NFL.COM

Ok, it was first reported as a heart attack. Still, thats a major bad thing to happen, becuase of the stress and little sleep of NFL coaching.

[Footman DCXLV]

I'm really hoping we get at least a second year with Kubiak, but if Caldwell got a head coaching job after one full season as our offensive coordinator with how little we produced last year, I don't see why Kubiak wouldn't be coveted even more. The only way I see him sticking around is if he wants to. I'm sure he wants to be a head coach again someday, but maybe another year of familiarity will be appealing to him. Family might play into that decision, if it comes to moving to another part of the country.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't believe they could block that either, unless Dennison went with Gary and was a QB coach elsewhere.

 

I don't believe you are allowed to block assistant coaches from taking promotional jobs, so if Dennison left to go be the OC with Kubiak, I don't think we could stop him.

 

Plus, needless to say, I'm sure the coach himself wouldn't be very happy if you could block him and did from essentially taking a better, higher paying position. My guess is he would just resign if that were the case.

I believe the Steelers had the opportunity to block Kirby Smart from interviewing for the Ravens OC position, if they so chose

[The Mom Gene]

I believe the Steelers had the opportunity to block Kirby Smart from interviewing for the Ravens OC position, if they so chose

I believe Dennison was Gary's OC

[The Mom Gene]

I'm really hoping we get at least a second year with Kubiak, but if Caldwell got a head coaching job after one full season as our offensive coordinator with how little we produced last year, I don't see why Kubiak wouldn't be coveted even more. The only way I see him sticking around is if he wants to. I'm sure he wants to be a head coach again someday, but maybe another year of familiarity will be appealing to him. Family might play into that decision, if it comes to moving to another part of the country.

You're forgetting that Caldwell also was a head coach for the Colts too....

[RavensFanMania]

If I follow your logic correctly, you're saying the farther we advance in the playoffs the less likely Kubiak is to leave. I think the reverse is true. I think the only way he stays is if we fail to make the playoffs to finish the job he started. Clearly, Kubs is one of the primary reasons we are as successful as we are. His offense works with Joe at the helm. Obviously, Matt Schaub is no Cool Hand Joe Flacco. One can only imagine how good this offense would be if Ray Rice and Dennis Pitta had played all year.

It is true the further we advance the less likely he will leave. Reason being is that many coaches do not like interviewing in the playoffs as it is a distraction to the team. Hence the Seahawks last yr and the pats two sb. It is how they kept ther OC and DC together.

[Footman DCXLV]

You're forgetting that Caldwell also was a head coach for the Colts too....

 

It's a pretty good comparison, with Kubiak having coached the Texans. The one thing Caldwell had over Kubiak was that there were two years between head coaching jobs, whereas Kubiak, if he were hired somewhere this year, would only have had had one year to erase the memory of why he was fired to begin with.

[Inqui]

You're forgetting that Caldwell also was a head coach for the Colts too....

It's tough to get a gauge of how much impact he actually had there though, given he had Peyton F Manning for most of those years and went 2-14 in the year he didn't. If I'm a GM, I'd take Gary Kubiak over Caldwell any day of the week based on their HC records.

[BmoreBird22]

I believe Dennison was Gary's OC

Correct

[rmcjacket23]

I stand corrected. Under what I've read about NFL rules regarding coaches, the NFL only has two designations for coaches... head coach and assistant coaches. From the NFL rules perspective, there is no segregation between coordinators or position coaches.

 

As such, an NFL team can block another team from hiring an assistant coach to another assistant coach position (such as OC or DC)... but they are not allowed to block assistants from HC interviews.

 

So, in theory, the Ravens could block Dennison from leaving with Kubiak. However, as I said, there's some risk involved. They would risk the standard "ethical" dilemma coming into play, and there's also the risk of the assistant coach simply resigning his position out of frustration.

[Tenacious Faulker]

Maybe Kubiak realizes he likes being an Oc and stays here til he retires...

I really hope that's the case, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Bmoreazfan]

I don't know whats going through Kubiaks mind or what hes planning next year obviously. But from the little I have seen him he seems like he has good chemistry with the rest of the coaching staff. As far as a coaching position goes the Ravens have one of the top 5 organizations to work for with our history of stability. As all of you know all successful Baltimore Coaches have the chance to take a head coaching job or move up within the organization if they stick around.

[redrum52]

I really hope that's the case, but I'm not holding my breath.

Me neither

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think Kubiak stays at least one more season. He seems comfortable and enjoying getting back to his roots and just coaching offense.

I'm getting the impression that he really is an "X's and O's" guy who likes teaching, running the offensive meetings and getting his hands a bit dirty so to speak. He's in a great situation with the pieces we have in place and with a head coach who doesn't have an ego and is willing to completely give him full reign over the offense.

He's got his coaches with him and some of his favorite players. He doesn't have the stress of being the head coach and the bs that comes along with that. He's also with a stable franchise that can compete for a ring now and is technically still rebuilding.

I truly think for him to leave it would have to be a perfect situation. Biscotti will make the financial commitment to keep him here so I don't think money will entice him away. It would take a team with an established QB or a young guy with the potential to be a franchise QB with a solid defense that is just a few pieces away from contending... And a good location for his family.

If for some reason Dallas opened up I think he'd go there since he's a Texas guy, but it won't. I could see him going to Denver to reunite with Elway and the opportunity to coach Peyton but that won't happen either. Oakland has Carr who looks like the real deal but that's too volatile and they're too far away.

Washington might be intriguing since they're only a year removed from Shanahan so the core guys there know the principles of his system and had success running it until shanahan and rg3 started butting heads. Plus they have tons of weapons and a decent defense that's just far underperformed. An RG3 reclamation project might be interesting for him.

But at the end of the day he really seems to enjoy being here and he seems like a guy that has pride and wants to finish the job (which I think contributed to his health issues in Houston... He built them up but couldn't quite get over the hump and then watching it crumble with one foot out the door ate him up) so even though he's done wonders for the offense if we get into the playoffs but don't win the Super Bowl I think he will want to come back and get that ring.

We have a long shot at it this year, but I think it's plain as day that with an offseason to fix the secondary and with Jimmy Smith coming back next year, and if we get the continuity of a 2nd year with Kubes were gonna be downright scary next season. We have a young core on both sides of the ball, Joe's finally playing like a top 5 QB and the scary thing is he's still improving, both lines are dominant, and there's only one weakness (secondary) to fix which when healthy really isn't that glaring of a weakness.

I think you can all but bank on Kubes coming back next year.

[The Mom Gene]

It's tough to get a gauge of how much impact he actually had there though, given he had Peyton F Manning for most of those years and went 2-14 in the year he didn't. If I'm a GM, I'd take Gary Kubiak over Caldwell any day of the week based on their HC records.

I don't know....  We'll have to see how the Lions fair this season...  He seems to have cleaned that team up a little.. and they seem to be making a push.. And then there this... it appears that Suh isn't happy there now....  So he can't play dirty like he has been....  He won't take a hometown discount, and he said he'll go wherever his agent gets him a gig.   I think Caldwell has done pretty good with that team this year so far.

[AsianRice]

The Ravens organization are too proud and classy to hold back anyone's career or dream; they even encourage them to get better job. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean they didn't do their best financially and physically to keep their best interest.  Therefore, in the end it's up to Kubiak or any candidate  to make the final decision.

 

Fans just gotta pray that Kubiak won't leave.........

[baltimorefan328]

Besides the obvious effects on the offense, I think one of the greatest things Kubiak has brought is consistency. We haven't really seen terrible offensive performances against bad teams and especially since the bye, Joe has been on fire. There were some bad games early on but I love what Kubiak did on "Wired", telling the offense about no communication and how thats not an excuse. Having John, but then also a former head coach in Kubiak both stressing the message of starting fast and being consistent has really helped this team stay more level headed and away from those giant crashes we are so used to seeing. For what it's worth, the offense while not amazing on the road has played much better this year than we have seen in a long time, and maybe ever under harbaugh

[K-Dog]

Who would you rather have as HC
Harbaugh or Kubs ?

[allblackraven]

Who would you rather have as HC

Harbaugh or Kubs ?

Harbs, no doubt.

 

Takes a special kind of person to be HC in the NFL with as much consistent success as Harbaugh had so far.

[RaineV1]

Who would you rather have as HC

Harbaugh or Kubs ?

Harbaugh, definitely. Kubiak is an amazing OC but doesn't have a great history as a HC.

[Gordo52]

Yeah. Harbs and it really isn't even close IMO.

My respect for him has only increased with the job he's done this season in the face of controversy and crucial injures. I think it's worth noting this will be 7 years with him (already!!) without a losing record... Sure he's got his flaws, but no one can question his consistency and the success he's had here. We're truly fortunate to have him.

Didn't mean get a little off topic here....I wonder how Gary and Johns relationship is. That obviously plays a big factor.

[codizzle]

Harbs and it shouldn't even be a question

Just look at his numbers.. Crazy amount of success in his short head coaching career

If he coached till he was 60 (8 more years) with the consistency he's shown since 2008 and your looking at a HOF career easily

Currently has a .648 career winning %

9-4 in the playoffs

Add to that.. Another ring maybe and yea I could see it

We got really lucky here in baltimore.. Not often you see a first time head coach do what he's done

[codizzle]

Adding to that.. If somehow, Kubiak decides to go the lebeau type route and stay a coordinator then watch out lol it'll get real fun around ravennation

[K-Dog]

It was just a random question that popped into my mind.

I would pick Harbaugh 100% too.

[Inqui]

Harbs and it shouldn't even be a question

Just look at his numbers.. Crazy amount of success in his short head coaching career

If he coached till he was 60 (8 more years) with the consistency he's shown since 2008 and your looking at a HOF career easily

Currently has a .648 career winning %

9-4 in the playoffs

Add to that.. Another ring maybe and yea I could see it

We got really lucky here in baltimore.. Not often you see a first time head coach do what he's done

First time head coach and a franchise QB in the same offseason. We got pretty much nothing else out of it in terms of what we have today, but at least 10 franchises would hold dark rituals like the one in Indiana Jones just to have an offseason like that.

And the Raiders have probably already tried it.

[Inqui]

Adding to that.. If somehow, Kubiak decides to go the lebeau type route and stay a coordinator then watch out lol it'll get real fun around ravennation

I'd be doing cartwheels if that happened. A guy like Rex Ryan making a similar decision would more or less give us the coaching dream team for a long time to come.

[/wishful thoughts]

[AsianRice]

I'd be doing cartwheels if that happened. A guy like Rex Ryan making a similar decision would more or less give us the coaching dream team for a long time to come.

[/wishful thoughts]

don't be greedy, man lol..Gary is already a dream-come-true.....

[Tenacious Faulker]

 Chances of Kubiak staying next year?

 

 

Ngata!