Merged: Kubiak Discussions

[K-Dog]

This thread is eerily similar to those " When is Ray retiring "  from a few years ago.

 

I am pretty sure looking Kubiak would be worse than loosing Ray.  ( no disrespect to Ray of course )

[Inqui]

This thread is eerily similar to those " When is Ray retiring "  from a few years ago.

 

I am pretty sure looking Kubiak would be worse than loosing Ray.  ( no disrespect to Ray of course )

Towards the end of his career, Ray's big impact was as the on-field chess master taking on guys like Brady and Peyton pre-snap (on another note, I really want to see CJ take on Peyton in those kinds of adjustments before Manning retires - I think it'll be good for him). Watching the Super Bowl was both great and depressing, with Ray always being a step behind the guy he needed to cover and just being picked on over the middle.

 

I agree losing Kubiak would be bigger, but I just hope we can keep his system.

[The Raven]

Brace yourselves for the Juan Castillo as OC era.

 

 

John Harbaugh hiring his Harbuddies for big roles. His track record for nepotism will set our team back 50 years.

 

 

 

 

 

(Will be what fills an entire thread if his name is mentioned as an OC candidate)

 

Tell ya what, I would be interested in seeing what Castillo's offense would look like. Having worked under Andy Reid and now under Kubiak, it could be interesting. I'd prefer someone else at OC, but I'd be interested to see his offense.

[ravensnick]

Three reasons lead me to believe he stays:

 

1. His heart attack in Houston: He can't risk another problem like that, obtained from all the stress of coaching

 

2. He is perhaps the best offensive coordinator in history, He may has play up to his strong suit

 

3. His success here. He would most likely have to completely turn around a struggling franchise if he left.

[ravensnick]

Brace yourselves for the Juan Castillo as OC era.

Honestly, with how our o-line has played this year, I'm not entirely opposed. We tried to run a zone scheme with Mckinnie and Mr. False Start last year. As well as try to bear the worst center in the league. That's not completely on Castillo.

[Tank 92]

Not much he can do in the face of the right offer from another team - short of booting John Harbaugh to make Kubiak the HC himself.

 

 

idk..... Hearing Kubes speak preseason he may be inclined to stay as an OC for a while, especially if the $ are right.

[K-Dog]

idk..... Hearing Kubes speak preseason he may be inclined to stay as an OC for a while, especially if the $ are right.

I will throw in an extra fifty bucks if it helps....

[gabefergy]

Tell ya what, I would be interested in seeing what Castillo's offense would look like. Having worked under Andy Reid and now under Kubiak, it could be interesting. I'd prefer someone else at OC, but I'd be interested to see his offense.

 

 

Honestly, with how our o-line has played this year, I'm not entirely opposed. We tried to run a zone scheme with Mckinnie and Mr. False Start last year. As well as try to bear the worst center in the league. That's not completely on Castillo.

I don't think it would be that terrible, but I can only imagine the kind of reaction we would see if he was named OC after how he was demonized last season. He does have a good track record if you look past 2013 so I think he could be OK, and he would also potentially allow for some continuity. I think what we would miss the most is the work Kubiak has done with Flacco more than the running game.

[hawkprey]

He's tried the head coach role, why chance it? The Kubiak/Flacco/Harbaugh connection is great. I don't think there's much incentive for him to leave. (Or maybe it's just wishful thinking?)

[RavensFanMania]

I could see Kubiak leaving for Chicago, but I think he stays one more year. I hope.

I think Mike or Kyle Shanahan could be headed to Chicago. Mike is from Chicago, not sure where Kyle was born.

[RavensFanMania]

I think we've been fortunate to have him this year, but I think we all knew it won't last forever. I could see him looking to go to Chicago or maybe Atlanta or Washington. Once those guys have hired their new coaches I'll feel more comfortable about hanging onto him for another year. Hell, even the Steelers might not be completely out of the question.

It's all yet another reason we want to make the playoffs. Add another week or two to our season and let these other sides try to find a guy.

If I had to guess, I think we'll get one more year out of him. But anything beyond this season should be considered a bonus.

Kubiak would never go to Washington as he is too close with Mike for that to ever happen.

[PurpleCity5]

Good chance.

 

Where else would he go? Honestly, Oakland? Tampa? New York? These are all pretty bad options. 

 

Chicago, I'd figure they'd look for an Defensive minded coach than one who's offensive minded, and Kub's is brilliant I'll say that. I

 

Honestly, the day they hired Kub's I knew it would work out so well. To be frank, I didn't like Jim Caldwell all that well, I considered Kub's to be an upgrade. 

 

Maybe in the next few years, but for now I think there's a good chance. 

[PurpleCity5]

I think that game against Jacksonville in 2011 optimizes how awful this offense can be at times. Gosh, that game was awful

[CalvinSmoke]

I could really see him going to Carolina. He could make that offense tick and could make something out of those guys.

[PurpleCityLights]

What has changed in one year removed as a HC? Not much, just saying he didnt get any looks last year his playoff record at Houston wasnt stellar and he has never beaten the Colts at Indy

We ( The Ravens) have never beat the Colts at Indy as well.......

[PurpleCityLights]

He's gone after this season. People have careers & want to be great in life not stay at one level. Rex could have stayed but he wanted to be a HC like his father not stay & make other people life's better....

[AsianRice]

Kubiak has been a HC before so his life as a HC was fulfilled; therefore, I think Kubiak chance to stay in B-more is pretty good.  In addition, his health has been troubled for him in past cuz of all pressures from being a HC.

 

Kubiak seems to be enjoy his life and happy as an OC.....

 

I hope it's true.......

[JO_75]

IMO there is no chance he will stay next year when we make the playoffs but hope springs eternal and I hope I'm wrong. 

 

Remember both of Seattle's coordinators were considered for Head Coaching jobs because of Seattle's success last season. Due to Seattle going all the way to the Super Bowl, teams had to hire someone else as it would have been an even shorter turn around getting ready for free agency and the draft. 

 

I think Kubiak stays regardless playoffs or no playoffs but teams aren't going to wait to hire Kubiak not knowing how far we could go into the playoffs. Like I said, the reason Seattle's coordinators are still there is because they ended up in the Super Bowl. If they wouldn't have made it, one or both of their coordinators would have become Head Coaches for this season.

[Petteri Moilanen]

Three reasons lead me to believe he stays:

 

1. His heart attack in Houston: He can't risk another problem like that, obtained from all the stress of coaching

It was not a heart attack, it was a mini-stroke.

"The official diagnosis is that Kubiak suffered a TIA, or transient ischemic attack, which occurs when a blood clot blocks an artery for a short time and affects blood flow in the brain.

A TIA involves temporary but reversible loss of function, and doctors tell Rapoport there are no residual effects. A TIA is considered to be a warning that blood flow is not what it should be and can be seen as a precursor for a larger stroke."

--NFL.COM

[Drew P]

He's gone after this season. People have careers & want to be great in life not stay at one level. Rex could have stayed but he wanted to be a HC like his father not stay & make other people life's better....

 

Well i will believe it when i see it. I recall the same discussion when Billick got canned...he didnt even get a sniff as an OC.

[GrimCoconut]

I think it's very possible Kubiak leaves. I also think it's equally as possible he stays. I think he likes being an OC, as someone else said he did seem to look fondly on his return to coordinating. He may want to remain a coordinator for now.

I do think the right situation could call him away. I don't think how far we go in the playoffs affects anything. After all, the Colts signed Pagano after the loss in the AFCCG, which was two weeks removed from the Super Bowl. We've also seen guys who had really bad seasons as coaches get hired as a HC, such as Caldwell.

Every situation, every owner, every GM, and every is very unique. There's no microcosm for this league. I think it's 50 / 50. Those aren't bad odds at all.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't think so. Those guys seem to be a combo. Wherever Kubiak goes Dennison will follow. And it's not like we can even offer Dennison a higher level position. He would be out OC here same as he would be wherever Kubiak goes.

If the Ravens truly wanted, I believe they could block him from leaving while he's under contract

[Alexir]

He was certainly a factor but not the only one

 

My point is Caldwell got a HC job with way less impact on our team...People will look at 2013 and 2014. However, they will also go over his years with the Texans as well.

[Moderator 3]

If the Ravens truly wanted, I believe they could block him from leaving while he's under contract

Not if he's offered a promotion to HC. That's in the rules.

Edit, or were you talking about Dennison? If so, the Ravens can block poaching after X number of coaches have been taken.

[BmoreBird22]

Not if he's offered a promotion to HC. That's in the rules.

Edit, or were you talking about Dennison? If so, the Ravens can block poaching after X number of coaches have been taken.

I was referring to Dennison. It's not a common move to block, but if they planned to make him an OC and that's what Gary wanted him for, I wouldn't be surprised

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Remember both of Seattle's coordinators were considered for Head Coaching jobs because of Seattle's success last season. Due to Seattle going all the way to the Super Bowl, teams had to hire someone else as it would have been an even shorter turn around getting ready for free agency and the draft. 

 

I think Kubiak stays regardless playoffs or no playoffs but teams aren't going to wait to hire Kubiak not knowing how far we could go into the playoffs. Like I said, the reason Seattle's coordinators are still there is because they ended up in the Super Bowl. If they wouldn't have made it, one or both of their coordinators would have become Head Coaches for this season.

 

If I follow your logic correctly, you're saying the farther we advance in the playoffs the less likely Kubiak is to leave. I think the reverse is true. I think the only way he stays is if we fail to make the playoffs to finish the job he started. Clearly, Kubs is one of the primary reasons we are as successful as we are. His offense works with Joe at the helm. Obviously, Matt Schaub is no Cool Hand Joe Flacco. One can only imagine how good this offense would be if Ray Rice and Dennis Pitta had played all year.

[allen53216]

Angels and ministers of grace defend us! i knew that getting Kubiak was definately the best thing we did during the off-season.I think Flacco will benefit a great deal If we can keep him for at least one more season.    

[allen53216]

Kubiak stays, add depth at tight end, shore up the back end and man would i feel confident going into next yr after we win the super bowl this year.

[allblackraven]

I think Kubiak stays for at least another season, with his eyes on the SB. The progress made in 2014 makes me think that all our coaches must feel pretty confident that this group of guys, with few new faces coming next offseason, is in for a real shot in a year or two.

 

Kubiak has complete control of the Ravens O, he clearly got some players that he wanted signed and everything is moving in the right direction. He coaches perfect QB for what he wants to do and they seem to be working together really well. He's got a perfect setup and a real good chance of winning a lot.

 

Unless someone throws insane amount of money his way or Ravens win SB this year, I can't see any other reason for him to go.

[rmcjacket23]

I was referring to Dennison. It's not a common move to block, but if they planned to make him an OC and that's what Gary wanted him for, I wouldn't be surprised

I don't believe they could block that either, unless Dennison went with Gary and was a QB coach elsewhere.

 

I don't believe you are allowed to block assistant coaches from taking promotional jobs, so if Dennison left to go be the OC with Kubiak, I don't think we could stop him.

 

Plus, needless to say, I'm sure the coach himself wouldn't be very happy if you could block him and did from essentially taking a better, higher paying position. My guess is he would just resign if that were the case.