Panthers cut CB Antoine Cason

[paulhs94]

The Panthers cut CB Antoine Cason today.

 

Link: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11967919/carolina-panthers-waive-starting-cornerback-antoine-carson

 

Do you think we should pick him up? He has to be better than some of the corners we have now.

[rmcjacket23]

1. I want to know why fans think that everybody "has to be better than our starting corners now"?

 

2. I'm assuming that there will literally be a thread created for every single corner who gets released by an NFL team for the rest of the season?

[rmw10]

The article states that he is ranked 111/117 according to PFF.  I saw at one point this year that he was allowing opposing QBs to complete 81% of passes thrown his way.  He's not good.  Pass.

[paulhs94]

1. I want to know why fans think that everybody "has to be better than our starting corners now"?

 

2. I'm assuming that there will literally be a thread created for every single corner who gets released by an NFL team for the rest of the season?

 Did you watch the Chargers game? What about the Steelers game? Our corners are trash right now, any help we could get would be appreciated.

[rmcjacket23]

 Did you watch the Chargers game? What about the Steelers game? Our corners are trash right now, any help we could get would be appreciated.

Not the point. Why is this guy help?

 

That's the question I want answered. What about Antoine Cason makes him better than Gorrer or Levine? Saying "well we can't do any worse" isn't a sufficient answer, because we can, in fact, do worse. There are worse backup, PS, etc. corners in this league than Gorrer and Levine. They do exist.

 

What I do know is that I believe Cason was graded as the worst starting corner in football by PFF this season (or at least he was, not sure if he still is).

[757RavensFan]

1. I want to know why fans think that everybody "has to be better than our starting corners now"?

 

2. I'm assuming that there will literally be a thread created for every single corner who gets released by an NFL team for the rest of the season?

 

Can they suck any worse based off the current pass defense rating?  I guess when you're statistically at the bottom at pass defense, you really can't go rock bottom. 

[rmcjacket23]

Can they suck any worse based off the current pass defense rating?  I guess when you're statistically at the bottom at pass defense, you really can't go rock bottom. 

But that's purely based on rankings. Can you do worse than being last in the league in yardage? Actually, yes, you can... its called giving up more yardage.

 

If we ranked 32nd in the league, giving up 350 yards per game, and we bring in another corner, start him, and begin giving up 375 yards per game, then we did, in fact, get worse.

[BSHU_Miami]

No fan wants any free agent to come here. Every time someone makes a suggestion they get lambasted. Like we have any room to deny help in our secondary

[757RavensFan]

But that's purely based on rankings. Can you do worse than being last in the league in yardage? Actually, yes, you can... its called giving up more yardage.

 

If we ranked 32nd in the league, giving up 350 yards per game, and we bring in another corner, start him, and begin giving up 375 yards per game, then we did, in fact, get worse.

 

But you're still last and will still get torched.  I'd rather bring someone else in to at least attempt to fix the problem then hope the problem fixes itself. 

[rmw10]

No fan wants any free agent to come here. Every time someone makes a suggestion they get lambasted. Like we have any room to deny help in our secondary

 

Is it help, though?  The guy has been awful this year.  Quality CBs don't suddenly become available 3/4ths of the way through the season.  There's a reason he got cut.

[rmcjacket23]

No fan wants any free agent to come here. Every time someone makes a suggestion they get lambasted. Like we have any room to deny help in our secondary

That assumes that fans are responsible for determining what players can help this team or not...

 

What exactly is the difference between Gorrer and Cason again?

[757RavensFan]

To be honest, cutting Chykie Brown didn't benefit us at all at this point. 

[rmcjacket23]

But you're still last and will still get torched.  I'd rather bring someone else in to at least attempt to fix the problem then hope the problem fixes itself. 

What do you think Danny Gorrer was brought in here for? Why do you think we moved Levine to corner? Is two games enough of a sample size to determine that Cason is better?

 

As I asked above... what exactly is the difference between Cason and Gorrer?

[AsianRice]

gonna stick with what we have and fix them in the off season....

[rmcjacket23]

Or better yet... lets cut Gorrer and bring in Cason. Then, in 2 weeks, when we realize Cason isn't any good either, we will wait for another team to release another bad corner, and we will cut Cason and bring him in.

 

We will just rinse, repeat for the next four weeks. Some fans will have said "well at least we tried", even though we didn't try anything nor did we learn anything.

 

Heck, I wasn't a fan of giving Melvin reps, but even that's a better idea than signings like these are. At least we might actually learn something. We won't learn literally anything about the future in the secondary by signing Cason.

[jazz1988]

 Did you watch the Chargers game? What about the Steelers game? Our corners are trash right now, any help we could get would be appreciated.

 

Thats the purpose of bringing Asa Jackson back

[rmw10]

This does make me curious though… I wonder what ever happened with the Derek Cox saga.  I wonder why we never re-signed him like it was reported we'd do early this season.

[paulhs94]

Thats the purpose of bringing Asa Jackson back

From an article posted on baltimoreravens.com 4 hours ago:

 

"Jackson won a starting job before his injury, starting in Week 2 against the Pittsburgh Steelers while Lardarius Webb was down with a back injury. Jackson didn’t have glowing marks from Pro Football Focus (PFF) in the five games he played before his injury, other than against the Carolina Panthers:

Week 1 vs. Cincinnati (46 snaps): negative-0.5

Week 2 vs. Pittsburgh (28 snaps): negative-1.5

Week 3 at Cleveland (59 snaps): negative-2.4

Week 4 vs. Carolina (68 snaps): positive-1.8

Week 5 at Indianapolis (43 snaps): negative-4.1"

 

Asa Jackson will help our secondary, sure, but he won't fix it completely.

[D-Rey]

It certainly can't hurt to sign him to a small contract. Cason was a pretty solid corner in the past, you never know what a new team can do for him.

[rmcjacket23]

From an article posted on baltimoreravens.com 4 hours ago:

 

"Jackson won a starting job before his injury, starting in Week 2 against the Pittsburgh Steelers while Lardarius Webb was down with a back injury. Jackson didn’t have glowing marks from Pro Football Focus (PFF) in the five games he played before his injury, other than against the Carolina Panthers:

Week 1 vs. Cincinnati (46 snaps): negative-0.5

Week 2 vs. Pittsburgh (28 snaps): negative-1.5

Week 3 at Cleveland (59 snaps): negative-2.4

Week 4 vs. Carolina (68 snaps): positive-1.8

Week 5 at Indianapolis (43 snaps): negative-4.1"

 

Asa Jackson will help our secondary, sure, but he won't fix it completely.

Literally no person in the NFL is going to become available that will fix our secondary.

[52520Andrew]

I might as well copy the post I put in the FA thread...

 

Yeah Panthers secondary isn't much better than ours so if he isn't good enough for them, he won't be any good. 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Or better yet... lets cut Gorrer and bring in Cason. Then, in 2 weeks, when we realize Cason isn't any good either, we will wait for another team to release another bad corner, and we will cut Cason and bring him in.

 

We will just rinse, repeat for the next four weeks. Some fans will have said "well at least we tried", even though we didn't try anything nor did we learn anything.

 

Heck, I wasn't a fan of giving Melvin reps, but even that's a better idea than signings like these are. At least we might actually learn something. We won't learn literally anything about the future in the secondary by signing Cason.

 

 

Who said anything about cutting Gorrer?And the difference between Gorrer and Cason is Cason had a history of being a solid starter at one point in his career.Gorrer has always been a third of fourth stringer at best.A change of scenery and a better pass rush might be what this Antoine needs.I don't know if that's actually what made him play the way he has this year because I don't watch panthers games,but when you're 31st in the league in passing,fighting a close fight for the playoffs and just lost a game in the fashion that we did,you have to atleast kick the tires on this guy.All we need is a quick fix to help us reach the playoffs.The future of our cb corp isn't that bad when you remeber that we have Jimmy.The future of the entire group will most likely be Jimmy,Webb and whoever we find in free agency or the draft to replace what Graham.We just need to keep trying to find a band-aid for the group for the next 4 games.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

 

I might as well copy the post I put in the FA thread...

 

Yeah Panthers secondary isn't much better than ours so if he isn't good enough for them, he won't be any good. 

 

 

 

Maybe not,but our front office should atleast consider it.

[jazz1988]

This does make me curious though… I wonder what ever happened with the Derek Cox saga.  I wonder why we never re-signed him like it was reported we'd do early this season.

 

That's a good question  but he has been giving try outs with other teams. I have no clue why we didn't bring him back but he hasn't been signed by any other team either so it must be something going on with him.

[rmcjacket23]

Who said anything about cutting Gorrer?And the difference between Gorrer and Cason is Cason had a history of being a solid starter at one point in his career.Gorrer has always been a third of fourth stringer at best.A change of scenery and a better pass rush might be what this Antoine needs.I don't know if that's actually what made him play the way he has this year because I don't watch panthers games,but when you're 31st in the league in passing,fighting a close fight for the playoffs and just lost a game in the fashion that we did,you have to atleast kick the tires on this guy.All we need is a quick fix to help us reach the playoffs.The future of our cb corp isn't that bad when you remeber that we have Jimmy.The future of the entire group will most likely be Jimmy,Webb and whoever we find in free agency or the draft to replace what Graham.We just need to keep trying to find a band-aid for the group for the next 4 games.

Well, you're probably going to have to cut somebody. Its certainly not going to be Webb or Asa, and you'd probably like to hang onto Levine as well. Since it appears Gorrer is the third corner already (and thats before Asa comes back), and the 4th corner pretty much never plays, why would Gorrer stay on the team?

 

Cason does have a history of playing well... so did a laundry list of players that we tried out and ultimately didn't sign. He also has a recent history of being a very bad NFL corner.

 

So should we put more focus on the recent past or the distant past... for somebody who's only supposed to be a patchwork fix for 4 games or so? Recent history is literally the only thing that matters to me for a short-term player.

 

As far as the future of our cornerback group... question marks up and down the board. Your best corner is coming off one of the worst injuries a corner can have, and some corners never recover or regain form from it... and he's in a contract year. Your alleged second best corner, Webb, has played awful the entire season, as a history of significant injuries, and has a large cap number that I think the FO will attempt to lower or possibly even remove, depending on how the offseason shapes up. Your third best corner, Asa Jackson, is coming off another long-term injury, hasn't actually proven anything on the football field, and has a history off-field issues leading to suspensions. And the rest of the guys are patchwork fixtures that we are now trying to potentially replace with another patchwork fixture.

 

I think it goes without saying that the future of our cornerback position is far and away the single biggest question mark on this team heading into the future.

[rmw10]

That's a good question  but he has been giving try outs with other teams. I have no clue why we didn't bring him back but he hasn't been signed by any other team either so it must be something going on with him.

 

Yeah I mean, I'm not saying to go out and sign him.  I was just curious more than anything.  Just an interesting story.

[rmcjacket23]

Maybe not,but our front office should atleast consider it.

There's no doubt the FO vets most of the players cut.

 

But you'll probably never hear about it, because they rarely come out and tell the public what players they are looking at. So in the fans eyes, because the FO doesn't publicly acknowledge they are looking at somebody, the fans think they aren't.

 

Basically, if we don't sign him, fans think we didn't even look at him.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

There's no doubt the FO vets most of the players cut.

 

But you'll probably never hear about it, because they rarely come out and tell the public what players they are looking at. So in the fans eyes, because the FO doesn't publicly acknowledge they are looking at somebody, the fans think they aren't.

 

Basically, if we don't sign him, fans think we didn't even look at him.

 

I know they take a good look at every player on the market.By consider it I meant bring him in for a try out and a physical.

[52520Andrew]

Maybe not,but our front office should atleast consider it.

 

Just came across this tidbit on him, this was against the Vikings offense by the way...

 

Antoine Cason, CB, -2.2

Breakdown: He has Minnesota’s play calling to thank that his grade isn’t worse, as Cason earned his licks in just 14 coverage snaps. Targeted four times, the former first round pick allowed all four to be completed for two first downs and a touchdown. He’s now allowed six touchdowns on the season and an 80.3% catch rate.

Signature Play: Q2, 0:23. In prime position to make a stop in bounds and force third down, Cason overrannGreg Jennings on a shallow out, allowing the veteran wide receiver to turn up field and score.

[BSHU_Miami]

Is it help, though?  The guy has been awful this year.  Quality CBs don't suddenly become available 3/4ths of the way through the season.  There's a reason he got cut.

That's really not my point, my point is every time a suggestion is made it's shot down. I doubt we even sign Cason, but what's the harm in suggesting it?