[News] Late For Work 12/2: Can Asa Jackson Help Save Secondary?

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Just in case any of our Flock members didn't get an opportunity to see the game Sunday and would like to see it, it airs on the NFL Channel today from 3:30 to 5:00PM today! I know we have a lot of out of state fans that don't often get to see the games. Don't kill the messenger, lol.

Thanks for the heads up. But I dont think I could stomach watching it.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Can Asa "save" the secondary? I think "save" is a bit strong here. I think he can "help", as he has to be an upgrade over the parade of players we have been using in that role. But "save" ... I'm not sure if that's what I'd call it.

Agreed.. I think he can help if healthy. Asa might be able to take some stress off of the defensive side of the ball but to save is a little too strong of a word. There are only a hand full of players that could save a secondary with their play and most of them are not even playing any more and way out of their prime.

[Grapple Raven]

Thanks for the heads up. But I dont think I could stomach watching it.

It is okay. It is never easy to re-live a loss, I just thought that those that didn't get an opportunity to see the game the first time at all might wish to see it. Sometimes for our out of state fans that are outside our media market, it is hard for them to get an opportunity to see the games.

[BallsoHard622]

Everything that we're going threw now is a result of what we didn't do this off season. Once we decided to keep only four corners I new that we would have a major problem. Some fans say who new both of our top corners would get hurt....well I did an they haven't been healthy every ur since they have been in the league. This is a passing league an all of us know that so if you could keep 7 corners you might want to, corners go down all the time. We all know we couldn't keep Corey graham but what I was screaming for was Antonio cromartie who sat on the free agent market for a month or more an only signed a i ur deal for 5 mill. We coulda rented him for a ur but nope. Asa will return an help a lil bit but don't expect much of a difference because he will be rusty.

An for all the fans that want pees to blitz all day long talk need to calm down. The front end goes with the back end an we have no back end an if the blitz doesn't get there then it's kurtains. Pressure does help but we just don't have the corners to play zone or cover man to man. The zone defense is beyond horrible, everytime were in zone some wr or TE is running free. We're jus bad an our front office thought they could get away with what they had an it ain't working....smh!!

[RavenManiac#7]

if the ravens can keep this team intact next year and rebuild the secondary and pick up a tight end either in free agency or the draft,they should be in good shape next year.this year it won't happen,thye secondary is too bad.

Wish I could agree, but I just can't. I don't think this team is a one year fix. There are more needs than you realize. I believe the secondary alone can't be overhauled in just one year. Sure do hope I'm wrong and that you're right, though.

[Mystigo_Dragon]

Let's just be clear, Mystigo. Rex is gonna get fired sometime in the next month or two. John Harbaugh will be in Owings Mills next summer, unless he completely loses control of this team and he pees on Steve Bisciotti's car before heading home after the season.

 

Man, all I'm talking about is playoff chances in 2014 - period! Near as I've heard Rex is still driving the "clown car" in NY and Harbs is still bumbling here!

[playlikeawhat]

Come back home, Rex.

[raven4evr]

I feel bad for Rex Ryan because the Jets are so bad/banged up. I doubt very much if he tried any harder to beat Miami for the Ravens though. The only player the Ravens should have NEVER let go was Anquan Boldin (and that is no knock on Smith Sr.). If the Ravens don't get a new DC they will not improve on defense.

[djdave1984]

everyone is always so eager and happy to shower all the praise on Ozzie Newsome when a free agent or draft pick works out well..Wizard of Oz!.. Well, I haven't heard single expert say a word about lack of attention and depth building at our secondary. How can you have starting caliber linebacker( Arthur Brown) and so many D-linemen sitting on the bench and not even have an average depth on the backfield. Fact is front office completely neglected secondary in the offseason and that is the reason why Ravens are probably going to miss the playoffs. If anyone should be blamed it should be Ozzie Newsome and the front office.

[mendii]

What has happened to Lardarius Webb? I don't think anyone is going to save this secondary since we don't have one guy who can consistently win a man-to-man matchup with any real receiving threat in this league. We get lucky to have Houston and Jacksonville in the last four games, but we've got Mike Wallace on Sunday and we close out the season against Josh Gordon. The best player available approach will not be feasible for this team in the draft, to me it seems we have to take the best corner available. We have a lot of depth pretty much everywhere else.

[edjrtap]

There really is no good corners in the draft. Maybe a few but none worth a top pick in my opinion. We ALL know the biggest need for us is at corner. Can we get a trade or maybe give the young guys a shot? At this point we just need to try anything to get better. On a side note how low are the chances we get Amari Cooper in the draft?

[ravenstime]

Deion, where are you...? We could probably use him, even at his age, with the play we have in the Defensive Backfield right now. That cost us the game vs. S.D. and almost did vs. N.O., as well.

[Purple&Black]

What really sucks about the defense is that the front 7 had a chance to be almost historically good. Can't hope to get pressure if we can't cover. Everyone always attacks ppes for his play calling, but I finally realized why he calls games the way he does. No trust in his secondary. You can see that in how aggressive he was when we had jimmy. Now the cbs play way to far off so when we blitz we make average qb like Andy Dalton look good because all they have to do is throw quick. Having Asa back won't help the secondary much. he will still get beat at times, but what he brings is an ability to create turnovers.

[Purple&Black]

With the way our safeties have played with the exception of will hill (miles wasn't horrible either last game) the ed reed conversation starts again. And honestly speaking, he would probably do a better job than Stewart at his age

[stampedehero]

Glad to read Pitta up and walking unassisted.  Wishing you a speedy and full recovery sir!

I echo that.  He is one of my favorite Ravens

[Purple&Black]

I also don't think webby will be back next year. I thought he would play his way into a new contract, but it's not looking like it. He just hasn't been the same. What's saving him is that we have no other option. As far as the draft, look out for the hometown kid will likely to make a splash. Not the biggest but is the best playmaker in the draft imo. Late round bargain as it stands currently

[stampedehero]

With the way our safeties have played with the exception of will hill (miles wasn't horrible either last game) the ed reed conversation starts again. And honestly speaking, he would probably do a better job than Stewart at his age

Interesting.  Ed has settled into his TV career quite nicely and he looks good without the hair explosion look.

[stampedehero]

After the last two games, his chemistry won't poisin what is already a sub standard secondary for this Ravens Defense.  Remember when we relied on our D and it was Feared?.   

[stampedehero]

everyone is always so eager and happy to shower all the praise on Ozzie Newsome when a free agent or draft pick works out well..Wizard of Oz!.. Well, I haven't heard single expert say a word about lack of attention and depth building at our secondary. How can you have starting caliber linebacker( Arthur Brown) and so many D-linemen sitting on the bench and not even have an average depth on the backfield. Fact is front office completely neglected secondary in the offseason and that is the reason why Ravens are probably going to miss the playoffs. If anyone should be blamed it should be Ozzie Newsome and the front office.

I think that group is part of the mess but "players got to play" . We are in the middle of the pact with our record when we should have won at least three of those 5 losses.  We could have been 10-2 if we acquired wins against SD,one of the Bengals games and the Colts.  It is what it is.  Miami up next for another playoff chance. Keep the faith. 

[Red723]

I don't think anything can save this pathetic, inept secondary. They're probably one of the 2,3 worst secondaries in the league. We won't be able to fix this until next year.

[MarioDrama]

Now when I watch the Ravens play i think to myself how many passing yards will we give up today.

[Purple&Black]

Insane yo think of all the aweful players we've had in the secondary (frank Ineeda Walker comes to mind) this secondary might be one of the worse in franchise history

[Moreskillz]

ewww asa just ewww

[HoldingCall]

law215, on 02 Dec 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

Probably not a drafted guy like Brooks or Elam. Can't believe Ravens coaches actually believe you can stick a safey on a WR with success. Every pre-game show I watch states QBs look for mismatch of Safeties on receivers or LBs on TEs yet this seems to be the Ravens game plan. I hope they keep a corner, but none of those guys can are good.

I agree! A safety on a wr just doesn't get it done. Safety help for a cb who is covering a wr is what should happen. That's why I excuse Levine's against the Chargers. He (an ex-safety) is covering a big tall wr with no help.  

[HoldingCall]

Brooks or Stewart?

Brooks is a drafted rookie so I think he stays for a while. I'm thinking maybe one of the players who rarely suit up on game day and is always injured. Jah Reid? I know he's offense but just wondering if they would do that. Perhaps it's whoever held Jah Reid's spot as backup while Jah was recovering.

 

Maybe, I should just accept that they are never going to release Jah. It could be Steward.

[FoltOrdog]

Yes, the offensive line was terrible last season, and literally everybody blamed the coach (Castillo).

 

Yet, the coach stays, his blocking scheme that everybody destroyed stays, the personnel changes, and now they're amongst the best units in football.

 

So, was it really about the coaching?

Yes it is about coaching, because as a coach you need to consider your resources. If you have a scheme and force it on people who are not suitable or cannot work in it, you will fail.

It is the same with Pees. Some defend him because the lack of good secondary personnel - which he definitely has - but he clearly cannot adapt to match situations. Me just as about everyone knew we lost when we took that last FG, because everyone knew he would use the same "let them come as they want" defense. In such situation we should have switched to make or break aggressive. We either could have gotten lucky and make a stop, thus win the game, or as the worst scenario got burned for a faster TD, giving the chance to the offense to win the game.

Harbough's remark about hindsight is also true, the problem is that great coaches rarely have to regret the decisions they make "in the heat of the battle". He unfortunately often makes such decisions. Noone can see the future, it is a fact, but let's admit, if you wanted a course on advanced time management John, or Mike Smith for example, would not be the first to come in mind.

 

[Crusader]

Asa sure can can't be any worse but is this coaching?

[fight fight fight]

Asa sure can can't be any worse but is this coaching?

Who knows.

[harfordravenfan]

Those who blame Pees for our shortcomings are wrong. When you don't have any corners and have to get guys off the street, it hampers what you can do. Leeson learned do not enter a season with just 3-4 CBs. NFL is a passing league duh. But keep 7 safties who of which can't cover anything.

I agree that the quality depth wasn't there at seasons open game but... Are the cb's not listening and lining up 10-15 yards off line or is pees telling them to?

[harfordravenfan]

ewww asa just ewww

Takes time for cbs to develop and I think he shows potential (good instincts) but also gets burned sometimes when taking chances. Asa gets picks, which is something really missing from our secondary. Sad part is he hasn't played enough due to suspensions and injuries, lets just hope for best this season :-)