Draft since 2010

[JoeyFlex5]

lol @ williams - not playing so bust, just lol. 

 

osemel - good? how about pro bowl caliber 

 

tyson - who? well he is a very solid contributor and has been that under the radar guy for 2 years now. 

 

please educate yourself before posting.

[rmcjacket23]

OK people, I think its time to move on from this thread. I've been posting here a long time, and I think its the first time where an entire message board is in 100% agreement that the original poster has literally no clue about what he's talking about or how to evaluate football players.

 

I think its time for the mods to just shut this down...

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

It takes 3 years to analyze a draft anyways but the 2010 draft was bad. The 2011 and 2012 draft were good  but not great.

 

 

We got a good starting TE,a quality backup TE and Arthur Jones in the 2010 draft.I think we did ok in that draft.We could've did better when you look at some of the players that were there to be had in the 2nd-7th round but those three players we took were important to our superbowl run.

[3-4ravdef509]

I just went back and looked at Ozzie Newsome's picks in the draft since 2010. It is horrible. Here goes the list.

 

2010

Kindle- bust Freak accident that no one saw coming

Cody-bust but has made impacts on important games

Dickson-bust Dealt with confidence issues but caught two passes in the Superbowl and was an important blocker and contributer

Pitta- injured, likely career over

D Reed- bust

Arthur Jones- isn't he gone now  Yeah so what

Harewood-who (?) Depth at o-line and started for a period of time, for a 7th round pick that's all you can hope for usually

 

2011

J Smith- good, not great yet great not elite yet and has a slight injury problem

T Smith- good, not true #1

Jah Reid- bust Depth

T. Doss-bust  Just disappointing 

Chykie Brown- bust and gone

B. Mcphee- starter  a great starter

Tyrod Taylor- backup QB not good

A. Allen-who (?) Lead blocker for ST and Jones loved him saying he was a major reason for his great return game

 

2012

Upshaw- starter, good

Osemele- starter, good  great

B Pierce- looking like a bust  solid

Gradkowski- bust

Thompson- who (?) Seriously??

T. Streeter- bust now gone

Tyson- who(?)  What??

 

2013

Elam -bust though it doesn't look good too early to tell

A Brown- not playing so bust Bad logic

B. Willliams-not playing so bust SMH

Simon-who (?)

Juszczyk- starter

Wagoner- starter

Moore- who (?)

Jensen- who(?)

Mellete- no longer with team so bust a 7th rounder

Anthony- no longer with team so bust a 7th rounder

 

2014

CJ Mosley- starter and good and might be great, still unknown

Jernigen- backup

Brooks- not playing so backup

Gilmore- backup but not really playing yet  in active rotation

Urban- injured

Taliaferro- backup

Urschel- not playing so backup

Wenning- gone so bust

Campanarro- injured

 

Looking at these drafts since 2010. Ozzie Newsome has failed more then he's been on, and the team has suffered for it. I used question marks for players I don't even recognized, so they should be considered failures as well if they haven't played a single snap.

 

Thoughts anyone?

 

Fixed to the best of my ability

[codizzle]

OK people, I think its time to move on from this thread. I've been posting here a long time, and I think its the first time where an entire message board is in 100% agreement that the original poster has literally no clue about what he's talking about or how to evaluate football players.

I think its time for the mods to just shut this down...

You definitely missed the ray lewis thread then

[ravensnick]

I just went back and looked at Ozzie Newsome's picks in the draft since 2010. It is horrible. Here goes the list.

 

2010

Kindle-bust

Cody-bust

Dickson-bust

Pitta- injured, likely career over

D Reed- bust

Arthur Jones- isn't he gone now

Harewood-who (?)

 

2011

J Smith- good, not great yet

T Smith- good, not true #1

Jah Reid- bust

T. Doss-bust

Chykie Brown- bust and gone

B. Mcphee- starter 

Tyrod Taylor- backup QB not good

A. Allen-who (?)

 

2012

Upshaw- starter, good

Osemele- starter, good

B Pierce- looking like a bust

Gradkowski- bust

Thompson- who (?)

T. Streeter- bust now gone

Tyson- who(?)

 

2013

Elam -bust

A Brown- not playing so bust

B. Willliams-not playing so bust

Simon-who (?)

Juszczyk- starter

Wagoner- starter

Moore- who (?)

Jensen- who(?)

Mellete- no longer with team so bust

Anthony- no longer with team so bust

 

2014

CJ Mosley- starter and good and might be great, still unknown

Jernigen- backup

Brooks- not playing so backup

Gilmore- backup but not really playing yet

Urban- injured

Taliaferro- backup

Urschel- not playing so backup

Wenning- gone so bust

Campanarro- injured

 

Looking at these drafts since 2010. Ozzie Newsome has failed more then he's been on, and the team has suffered for it. I used question marks for players I don't even recognized, so they should be considered failures as well if they haven't played a single snap.

 

Thoughts anyone?

I guess development means nothing to you. Almost, not everyone is an nfl starter, so if a late round guys sticks as a backup, thats a huge success. The NFL fails more than it passes. Check other manager draft history. There are easily two if not more failure for everyone great pick. 

 

Also:

 

Don't bother mention the last two draft classes. Way, way too early to take about them, or Jimmy Smith is still one of our biggest busts.

 

You can't bust after the 3rd round. In fact, busting even at the 3rd round is iffy. There are no expectation to star or even start at that range.  1st definietly, second probably. But 3rd, iffy, 4th or later busting isn't possible. Most (57%ish) of 7th picks don't even make their teams opening day roster.

 

How do you not know who Deangelo Tyson is? Do you watch the games? He gets a ton of rotational time at DE and had a huge (Like a sack and an INT) against Detroit last year. Very, very good player and an absolute steal for a 7th. 

 

More: BRANDON WILLIAMS STARTS AT NOSE TACKLE. I must ask again: DO YOU WATCH THE GAMES?

 

A lot of players are role player such as returners. I won't call David Reed a bust because he was drafted late and did a great job at returner for about a year and half.

 

You say for Tyrod: backup QB, no good. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A 6TH ROUND QB? He didn't get selecteed to start or be all world. He was a great not amazing player in college that needed work and is a backup qb in the league. Can you ask any more of him?

 

Arthur Jones was so good ( a top 3-4 end) in the league that we couldn't afford to pay him. For a 5th round pick. Thats pretty good.

 

 

This isn't even starting to consider our wealth of UDRFA talent we have amassed.

[ravensnick]

If you can get 2 quality starters in any single NFL draft, you've had a great draft.

Best comment here.

[ravensnick]

i agree with this but it's hard to argue with his overall premise. Our drafting hadn't been to hot lately, but then for a proper analysis you'd have to compare it to every team.

I do feel 2010 and now 2013 could really hurt us. If elam and brown worked out, now with mosley, and Jimmy outside, will hill and fs, we would have a stellar defense.

2010 wasn't terrible: Pitta and Art Jone, two of the best at what they do in the league, plus dickson, who had one good year, an ace return specalist (for about a year) in david reed, and a decent backup guard in the 7th.  2013 could have been brutal , based on Elam and Brown, but Ozzie aced the late rounds and got us Brandon Williams, Juice, and Ricky Wagner as well as a possible rotational guy in KLM (he was a projected mid second round guy before his injury). Thats a good draft.

 

So from 2010 we got:

 

Top of the Line TE

Top, top of the Line 3-4 DE

ok backup TE

decent backup guard

Decent return guy

 

2013 we got:

Elam: terrible bust so far but maybe he turns it around

Brown: Terrible bust. Doesn't even suit up.

Williams: great NT. Starts and dominates

Juice: amazing FB/h-Back for Kube's system

Simon: Talented and decent ST but no space for him

Wagner: Top of the league RT. Steal of the Draft (for maybe any team). Absolute Stud player. 

KLM: great talent but injuries

Jensen: injuried than cut. Not bust because 6th round. PS

Mellette: typical 7th rounder

Anthony: typical 7th rounder

[TDubbs]

A lot of those players that were mentioned helped us towards a Super Bowl Championship in New Orleans. Even a 7th rounder like Anthony Allen who was a 7th rnd RB who was killer on ST. It truly is unfortunate how quickly we have forgotten that SB run and the players who did it for us, the fans. 

 

Sometimes I feel Ravens fans are spoiled and ungrateful towards what our team has accomplished in such a short time of existence. 2 SB's, countless playoff appearances and a ton of Pro Bowler and a few HOF'ers that have been once in a life time guys. 

 

I know this thread is "Draft since 2010" but lets get real. How many teams have been successful like we have over the last 2 decades? Ask Jets, Bills, Jaguars and the list goes on ... They'd love to have our track record. 

[Tenacious Faulker]

Busts are on a sliding scale comparing performance vs. expectation.  Draft position basically sets performance expectation (i.e a lot is expected of a 1st rounder and not a much for a say a 6th rounder). Its really hard to call anyone drafted after the third round a bust even if they were taken way above their draft position.

[flynismo]

In his defense, I think by "bust" he simply meant the player amounted to nothing, regardless of draft position, not bust as in "didn't meet expectations"

[52520Andrew]

I don't mind these types of posts but if you don't know anything about a certain player, do some research on them at least. It really doesn't look good at all when you say Brandon Williams isn't playing but this exact website published an article just a few days ago about how he is having an outstanding year.

[Sami84]

i wouldn't say brandon williams has been outstanding. He's been a very good run stuffer. He still has some way to go before id use the word ''outstanding''. 

[HoldingCall]

Hey! He's a rookie so lighten up, lol.

[HoldingCall]

 

 

 

Thoughts anyone?

My take: (underlined)

 

2010

Kindle-bust, surprise injury, Ozzie not at fault

Cody-bust, A backup

Dickson-bust,

Pitta- injured, likely career over. No fault

D Reed- bust

Arthur Jones- isn't he gone now. A success that's why the Ravens could not afford to keep.

Harewood-who (?)

2010 success: Dennis Pitta, Arthur Jones.

 

　

2011

J Smith- good, not great yet. Jimmy Smith is one of the best in the league

T Smith- good, not true #1.

Jah Reid- bust

T. Doss-bust

Chykie Brown- bust and gone

B. Mcphee- starter

Tyrod Taylor- backup QB not good. Likely gone after contract expires.

A. Allen-who (?) RB, Anthony Allen,

2011 Success: Jimmy Smith, Torrey Smith, Pernell McPhee

　

 

2012

Upshaw- starter, good

Osemele- starter, good

B Pierce- looking like a bust. A decent 2nd or 3rd RB but not durible enough for starter

Gradkowski- bust. Looks like a backup at best.

Thompson- who (?) WR, David Thompson is on the practice squad, but still here.

T. Streeter- bust now gone

Tyson- who(?) DeAngelo Tyson our decent backup player .

2012 success: Upshaw, Osemele, Tyson. Partial success: Pierce

　

 

2013

Elam -bust His problem is magnified by the way the team uses him out of his position.

A Brown- not playing so bust. Not a bust; hasn't been used due to the quality ahead of him.

B. Willliams-not playing so bust. Starter and very good run stuffer

Simon-who (?) John Simone, now on the Houston Texans 53-man roster. Good player!

Juszczyk- starter

Wagoner- starter

Moore- who (?)

Jensen- who(?) C, Ryan Jensen is on the practice squad

Mellete- no longer with team so bust. Was a good player but suffered from bad knees

Anthony- no longer with team so bust

2013 success: Williams, Juszczyk, Wagner, Partial success: A Brown, J Simon,

　

 

2014

CJ Mosley- starter and good and might be great, still unknown. Good pick.

Jernigen- backup. Good player

Brooks- not playing so backup.

Gilmore- backup but not really playing yet

Urban- injured

Taliaferro- backup

Urschel- not playing so backup

Wenning- gone so bust. On the practice squad, could become the backup QB next season.

Campanarro- injured. Decent pick so far.

2014 success: Mosley, Jernigen, Campanaro, Taliaferro, Partial success: Wenning, Brooks

 

2014 is too recent to judge how things will turn out for players but this is how I see your list

[Guest Omerta]

Wow, this is pretty bad, regardless of context. In any event was it not Shannon Sharpe say that "They cut 7th rounders every day" ? I mean honestly what are you expecting out of most of these people ? I don't think not having 7th round picks is an indictment on drafting ability. I think it is the norm. I would actually argue that we have had as much late round success as anyone.

 

There are late round success stories to be true but what do you think those are by percentage ? I mean I know that people are going o point to the Brady's and the Sherman's of the world but being realistic even the people who drafted them had no idea how good they were doing to be or they would have drafted them before the late rounds hoping some other team did not poach them for being cute. 

[Ravens1991]

His two worst drafts the past few years are 2010 and 2013. In 2010 he still had 2 above average contributors on a super bowl team and in 2013 even completely writing his first two picks off as busts (which we shouldn't do) he still found 3 starters who are looking like they will be in the top 5 of the NFL in their positions/roles (juicecheck, Wagner, Williams). Many teams would do anything for this.

[52520Andrew]

i wouldn't say brandon williams has been outstanding. He's been a very good run stuffer. He still has some way to go before id use the word ''outstanding''. 

 

That is the primary job of a NT, he isn't on the field very often on passing downs, he is there to stop the run and take the double team freeing up others to make plays and I would say he has done that pretty dang well this year.

[Sami84]

i think rick wagner has been the best value pick we have had in a long time

[ravensnick]

i wouldn't say brandon williams has been outstanding. He's been a very good run stuffer. He still has some way to go before id use the word ''outstanding''. 

Too too many NTs in the league that can do more than run stuff. He is one of them. He shoudl creep into that top of the game NT level soon.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

I just went back and looked at Ozzie Newsome's picks in the draft since 2010. It is horrible. Here goes the list.

2010

Sergio Kindle-bust [sadly, yes he was, though due to a freak accident]

Terrence Cody-bust [up to now, yes and probably never will be starter worthy]

Ed Dickson-bust [ultimately, yes though he did have his good moments]

Dennis Pitta- injured, likely career over [yeah...but he was good for a little while]

David Reed- bust [decent returner who couldn't stay healthy, but can a 4th rounder be considered a bust?]

Arthur Jones- isn't he gone now [yeah, but he was a key contributor to a SB title, so Ozzie hit on him and Pitta]

Ramon Harewood-who (?) [project late rounder who couldn't stay healthy, was adequate at backup though]

2011

Jimmy Smith- good, not great yet [injuries keep stunting his potential greatness]

Torrey Smith- good, not true #1 [after a miserable start to the season, has come on strong of late, was a key to our SB run]

Jah Reid- bust [adequate backup who also can't seem to stay healthy]

Tandon Doss-bust [agreed, given his talent]

Chykie Brown- bust and gone [no arguing this]

Pernell Mcphee- starter [our best interior pass rusher, basically the heir to Arthur Jones]

Tyrod Taylor- backup QB not good [for a late rounder, what do you expect? They can't all be Tom Brady.]

Anthony Allen-who (?) [excellent at special teams, especially as a blocker for Jacoby, not much of a RB even as a 3rd down back]

2012

Courtney Upshaw- starter, good [yup, though you generally expect more of a pass rusher than an edge setter at his draft position]

Kelechi Osemele- starter, good [very good, if not great]

Brian Pierce- looking like a bust [can't seem to stay healthy, shows poor vision and seems to have already lost some of his burst that he showed as a rookie]

Gino Gradkowski- bust [it certainly looks that way]

Christian Thompson- who (?) [got suspended for PEDs, I think, never did anything, then got cut and is now out of NFL. Total bust]

Tommy Streeter- bust now gone [was a late round flyer that didn't pan out]

DeAngelo Tyson- who(?) [solid rotational player on the D-Line. Excellent value for a late rounder]

2013

Matt Elam -bust [still early, but he's shown little to suggest otherwise]

Arthur Brown- not playing so bust [possibly, but we have to wait to see what happens next year when Daryl Smith is likely done/gone]

Brandon Willliams-not playing so bust [our starting NT who's playing very well for us, so not a bust at all]

John Simon-who (?) [got poached from our PS, so has to be considered a wasted pick]

Kyle Juszczyk- starter [and a very good one]

Ricky Wagner- starter [has been one of the best RTs in the league]

Kapron Lewis-Moore- who (?) [showed promise in camp. but got hurt again. A late rounder who may not pan out because of injuries]

Ryan Jensen- who(?) [late rounder, currently on PS, who hasn't shown much promise yet]

Aaron Mellete- no longer with team so bust [hurt his knee, is now out of NFL, career may be over before it could begin. Still can a 7th rounder be a bust?]

Marc Anthony- no longer with team so bust [another 7th rounder, do we really expect those to pan out regularly?

2014

CJ Mosley- starter and good and might be great, still unknown [hardly unknown when you're a defensive ROY candidate]

Timmy Jernigen- backup [more of a rotational guy than just a backup]

Terrence Brooks- not playing so backup [this season, can we call any defensive back who sees the field a backup? They're all getting significant snaps]

Crockett Gilmore- backup but not really playing yet [used mainly as a blocking TE, so is getting some snaps]

Keith Urban- injured [just like Kapron Lewis Moore basically]

Lorenzo Taliaferro- backup [has shown a lot of potential as a 3rd down back. Jury's still out on whether he can start]

John Urschel- not playing so backup [played very well when given the opportunity]

Keith Wenning- gone so bust [on PS, so not yet a bust--again he's a 6th rounder, can you call those guys busts when they're drafted that late?]

Michael Campanarro- injured [shown a lot of talent for a 7th rounder, but durability is a concern, so far]

Looking at these drafts since 2010. Ozzie Newsome has failed more then he's been on, and the team has suffered for it. I used question marks for players I don't even recognized, so they should be considered failures as well if they haven't played a single snap.

Thoughts anyone? [you should've recognized all of them--how did you not know who Brandon Williams was? Also most late round guys don't stick in the league, so can they really be considered busts?]

 

[added my thoughts in brackets]

 

[JoeyFlex5]

 

 

My take: (underlined)

 

2010

Kindle-bust, surprise injury, Ozzie not at fault

Cody-bust, A backup

Dickson-bust,

Pitta- injured, likely career over. No fault

D Reed- bust

Arthur Jones- isn't he gone now. A success that's why the Ravens could not afford to keep.

Harewood-who (?)

2010 success: Dennis Pitta, Arthur Jones.

 

　

2011

J Smith- good, not great yet. Jimmy Smith is one of the best in the league

T Smith- good, not true #1.

Jah Reid- bust

T. Doss-bust

Chykie Brown- bust and gone

B. Mcphee- starter

Tyrod Taylor- backup QB not good. Likely gone after contract expires.

A. Allen-who (?) RB, Anthony Allen,

2011 Success: Jimmy Smith, Torrey Smith, Pernell McPhee

　

 

2012

Upshaw- starter, good

Osemele- starter, good

B Pierce- looking like a bust. A decent 2nd or 3rd RB but not durible enough for starter

Gradkowski- bust. Looks like a backup at best.

Thompson- who (?) WR, David Thompson is on the practice squad, but still here.

T. Streeter- bust now gone

Tyson- who(?) DeAngelo Tyson our decent backup player .

2012 success: Upshaw, Osemele, Tyson. Partial success: Pierce

　

 

2013

Elam -bust His problem is magnified by the way the team uses him out of his position.

A Brown- not playing so bust. Not a bust; hasn't been used due to the quality ahead of him.

B. Willliams-not playing so bust. Starter and very good run stuffer

Simon-who (?) John Simone, now on the Houston Texans 53-man roster. Good player!

Juszczyk- starter

Wagoner- starter

Moore- who (?)

Jensen- who(?) C, Ryan Jensen is on the practice squad

Mellete- no longer with team so bust. Was a good player but suffered from bad knees

Anthony- no longer with team so bust

2013 success: Williams, Juszczyk, Wagner, Partial success: A Brown, J Simon,

　

 

2014

CJ Mosley- starter and good and might be great, still unknown. Good pick.

Jernigen- backup. Good player

Brooks- not playing so backup.

Gilmore- backup but not really playing yet

Urban- injured

Taliaferro- backup

Urschel- not playing so backup

Wenning- gone so bust. On the practice squad, could become the backup QB next season.

Campanarro- injured. Decent pick so far.

2014 success: Mosley, Jernigen, Campanaro, Taliaferro, Partial success: Wenning, Brooks

 

2014 is too recent to judge how things will turn out for players but this is how I see your list

christian thompson was a safety, not david thompson. 

 

but overall perfect correction of his post. not sure this guy really knows much besides the 22 locked in starters..

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I just went back and looked at Ozzie Newsome's picks in the draft since 2010. It is horrible. Here goes the list.

 

2010

Kindle-bust

Cody-bust

Dickson-bust

Pitta- injured, likely career over

D Reed- bust

Arthur Jones- isn't he gone now

Harewood-who (?)

 

2011

J Smith- good, not great yet

T Smith- good, not true #1

Jah Reid- bust

T. Doss-bust

Chykie Brown- bust and gone

B. Mcphee- starter 

Tyrod Taylor- backup QB not good

A. Allen-who (?)

 

2012

Upshaw- starter, good

Osemele- starter, good

B Pierce- looking like a bust

Gradkowski- bust

Thompson- who (?)

T. Streeter- bust now gone

Tyson- who(?)

 

2013

Elam -bust

A Brown- not playing so bust

B. Willliams-not playing so bust

Simon-who (?)

Juszczyk- starter

Wagoner- starter

Moore- who (?)

Jensen- who(?)

Mellete- no longer with team so bust

Anthony- no longer with team so bust

 

2014

CJ Mosley- starter and good and might be great, still unknown

Jernigen- backup

Brooks- not playing so backup

Gilmore- backup but not really playing yet

Urban- injured

Taliaferro- backup

Urschel- not playing so backup

Wenning- gone so bust

Campanarro- injured

 

Looking at these drafts since 2010. Ozzie Newsome has failed more then he's been on, and the team has suffered for it. I used question marks for players I don't even recognized, so they should be considered failures as well if they haven't played a single snap.

 

Thoughts anyone?

My thoughts are that you are  clearly not qualified to grade drafts considering you're off on many of the players. Considering you put question marks on several players who are still with the team or played pretty big roles with the team when they were here just makes you look like an idiot.

 

Brandon Williams, not playing so bust? Ummmm he starts and has been great this year. Jensen was in line to possibly start this year and was on the roster all last year even with an injury. Tyson, as in DeAngelo Tyson showed tons of promise last year and was playing well this year until he was injured. Jimmy Smith.... good but not great yet? He was one of the top 3 corners in the entire league, playing comparable to Sherman and Peterson, id say thats pretty darn good.

 

Nevermind, dont even know why im wasting my time - by your comments and lack of knowledge of Ravens players you clearly dont follow the team very well and therefore you opinion is rendered useless.

 

/End thread.