Matthew D. Elam

[Sami84]

He has been used in that role and failed. The detroit game was a fluke. Everyone can have a better game than usual.

[BBoogieMan]

For the record and is irrelevent now but I thoguht Cyprien was the better prospect. Elam is performing below expectations but I have issue with Pees' usage and scheme of the secondary in general. WRs/TEs are wide  open way too often. And not even Peterson, Sherman, Revis. or Haden can cover a streaking WR running full speed at them while playing 8 yds off. We've seen this for years with Pees with and without starting CBs vs vet QBs. Despite rule changes, I sitll see DBs 1/2 mug receivers within 5yds in the NFL which disupts routes and timing giving pass rushers that extra second or two to be effective. Hell, I've seen it on our receivers. Why doesn't this coaching staff teach the same? Wonder why we're constatly in the mid-bottom half in INTs, this year so far...only better than 6 others. It's not just personnel, IMO.

[Tru11]

He was tackling Eddie Royal before he could even turn into his route... c'mon man. 

 

TBH he should not be on slot wrs like royal lol

 

those guys are difficult to cover by corners let alone a 2nd year rookie  who seems lost.

 

they should just give him a role like pollard had with brooks/hill playing FS in the ed reed role.

 

it would solve alot more then this rotation stuff where everybody does everything .

 

simpler usually works out better IMO.

[Sami84]

His role should be on the bench. He makes a better cheerleader than SS

[MrPlankton]

He's not good and has arguably gotten worse. Stick him on ST or nothing.

[BSHU_Miami]

He's not good and has arguably gotten worse. Stick him on ST or nothing.

Yeah, that wouldn't be a problem if he knew how to tackle! This dude can't do anything man......Oh S/o to our coach for puttin our 29 year old starting RB at Kick return

[Maryland]

TBH he should not be on slot wrs like royal lol

 

those guys are difficult to cover by corners let alone a 2nd year rookie  who seems lost.

 

they should just give him a role like pollard had with brooks/hill playing FS in the ed reed role.

 

it would solve alot more then this rotation stuff where everybody does everything .

 

simpler usually works out better IMO.

Oh I agree 100% you should not have Elam on Royal, of all the receivers on the field. Royal is too quick, like Andrew Hawkins or Percy Harvin. The coaches were putting Elam in a position where he can't possibly succeed. I was just ticked off at how Elam seemingly just accepted the 5 yard penalty and a first down for illegal contact instead of forcing him to try and make a catch. 

[Bmore#410]

I know it is not our only problem in the secondary but brooks has to be a better option. Asa comes back this week hopefully he will not be rusty. Rivers picked on him all game and levine.Darian stewart could play nickel or miles. Webb is playing off way to much he best at playing inside we could move him there and asa and gorrer or even levine on the oustise and moe hill to FS and Brooks to SS..

[stampedehero]

  Elam is enveloped into  shrink wrap.  He can't use his feet.  

[Sami84]

Ppl keep on talking about givijg elam the perfect opportunity to succeed. Everything has been tried. He just doesnt have it.

He just isnt a good football player and i was praying when we had our pick in 2013 ..not elam..not elam...not ...elam..

Alas..

[Drew P]

Please tell me that wasnt Brandon Oliver standing him up on those S blitzes? lol

 

He fits right in with this secondary totally clueless, no leadership, cant cover, cant tackle, no instincts

 

BUT he didnt have anybody to learn from I mean Stewart is the griseled veteran? Get real, they made wholesale changes and it bit 'em hard in the tail end...

[Static]

As much as Elam frustrates me I believe we need to get rid of Pees before deciding anything on Elam. 

[gabefergy]

As much as Elam frustrates me I believe we need to get rid of Pees before deciding anything on Elam. 

He's literally played him everywhere in the secondary besides outside at CB and he has failed miserably. Elam just doesn't have what it takes.

[allblackraven]

He's literally played him everywhere in the secondary besides outside at CB and he has failed miserably. Elam just doesn't have what it takes.

Underwhelming, to say the least. But confusing him even further doesn't help much, either. The right thing for him would have been a move to ST when Hill got activated.

[bMore Heathen]

Ppl keep on talking about givijg elam the perfect opportunity to succeed. Everything has been tried. He just doesnt have it.

He just isnt a good football player and i was praying when we had our pick in 2013 ..not elam..not elam...not ...elam..

Alas..

Ha!!! I remember doing the same, but with Te'o. I REALLY didn't want him. Lol!! And Goodell really sounded out the Mmmmmaat Elam. I thought I was hearing Mmmmantai.... God, almost wish for Te'o in hindsight. Elam has been terrible. I would say STs, but as someone else said, he can't tackle. I know he was on the field way too much last week.

[GrimCoconut]

He's literally played him everywhere in the secondary besides outside at CB and he has failed miserably. Elam just doesn't have what it takes.

I think the coaches are seeing what we see for sure. I think they want to salvage whatever they can and get him on the field but they're realizing he just isn't good at anything in a full-time, every down role. He has these flashes where he looks good, but then he has these stretches where he looks like a dementia patient who's lost. It's really frustrating. 

[Maryland]

As much as Elam frustrates me I believe we need to get rid of Pees before deciding anything on Elam. 

I just don't see Pees getting fired. You know how Harbaugh has strong nepotism when it comes to keeping his old friends as assistants. Pees will probably get another year, with this season's poor performance chocked up to the lack of talent in the secondary.

 

Don't get me wrong, I really dislike Pees' coaching too, but I just don't see him leaving. Hopefully I'm just being pessimistic. 

[DonLucas]

I agree that Elam is playing something other than football right now and understand all the complaints about him, but I'm surprised that not many people complain about Stewart. The guy is god-awful, he can't do anything right in an incredibly bad secondary, for me at least, he is the worst (by far) and he keep getting reps. He makes me miss ol´crazy pollard and his penalties.

[GrimCoconut]

I agree that Elam is playing something other than football right now and understand all the complaints about him, but I'm surprised that not many people complain about Stewart. The guy is god-awful, he can't do anything right in an incredibly bad secondary, for me at least, he is the worst (by far) and he keep getting reps. He makes me miss ol´crazy pollard and his penalties.

I'd guess it's because we didn't invest a first round draft pick into Stewart and he was a rather inexpensive free agent acquisition.

[H8R]

I agree that Elam is playing something other than football right now and understand all the complaints about him, but I'm surprised that not many people complain about Stewart. The guy is god-awful, he can't do anything right in an incredibly bad secondary, for me at least, he is the worst (by far) and he keep getting reps. He makes me miss ol´crazy pollard and his penalties.

 

 

I honestly miss Landry.... thats how bad it is!

 

On Stewart, hes an offseason cheap "fix". Elam is a first round draft pick.

[rmw10]

I agree that Elam is playing something other than football right now and understand all the complaints about him, but I'm surprised that not many people complain about Stewart. The guy is god-awful, he can't do anything right in an incredibly bad secondary, for me at least, he is the worst (by far) and he keep getting reps. He makes me miss ol´crazy pollard and his penalties.

 

Stewart actually only played 3 defensive snaps and 12 snaps overall on Sunday, if I remember what was said on Twitter correctly.  Miles saw 70 of 72 defensive snaps.

 

I'd rather Stewart be cut for Asa then someone like Melvin, who may or may not have some potential.

[rmcjacket23]

Stewart actually only played 3 defensive snaps and 12 snaps overall on Sunday, if I remember what was said on Twitter correctly.  Miles saw 70 of 72 defensive snaps.

 

I'd rather Stewart be cut for Asa then someone like Melvin, who may or may not have some potential.

But I believe Melvin can go back to the practice squad and taken off the active roster, so that would probably be the best choice.

 

He's a weekly gameday inactive anyway...

[rmw10]

But I believe Melvin can go back to the practice squad and taken off the active roster, so that would probably be the best choice.

 

He's a weekly gameday inactive anyway...

 

Also, true, but I'd rather see what we have in him (which would mean actually making him active, of course) than keep Stewart around when we already have multiple other guys that can do what he does.

[blitzking33]

Almost every highlight of him is from the Safety position. He makes plays running towards the ball.... Pees is having him chase people around leaving him out of position. Use him properly and maybe we get something out of him.. not looking good so far though.

[rmcjacket23]

Also, true, but I'd rather see what we have in him (which would mean actually making him active, of course) than keep Stewart around when we already have multiple other guys that can do what he does.

Yeah, but they don't play the same position. Once Asa comes back, Melvin is the fifth corner. The fifth corner doesn't play.

[rmw10]

Yeah, but they don't play the same position. Once Asa comes back, Melvin is the fifth corner. The fifth corner doesn't play.

 

Basically, I'd rather hold onto a guy that might be a future piece than a guy that really no longer has a role on this team.  I'm fully aware that he likely wouldn't play, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see it or at least keep him around in case there's something there.  With 4 games left in the season, Stewart really doesn't have a role with Miles, Elam, and Trawick all seeing more snaps than him.

[rmcjacket23]

Basically, I'd rather hold onto a guy that might be a future piece than a guy that really no longer has a role on this team.  I'm fully aware that he likely wouldn't play, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see it or at least keep him around in case there's something there.  With 4 games left in the season, Stewart really doesn't have a role with Miles, Elam, and Trawick all seeing more snaps than him.

While that's true, all of the SS suck.

 

I don't think stashing Melvin on the PS is an issue, because I don't expect him to get picked up by somebody else if he's there.

 

And lets face it... you're an injury at the safety position away from seeing Stewart playing meaningful snaps.

[rmw10]

While that's true, all of the SS suck.

 

I don't think stashing Melvin on the PS is an issue, because I don't expect him to get picked up by somebody else if he's there.

 

And lets face it... you're an injury at the safety position away from seeing Stewart playing meaningful snaps.

 

And probably an injury away at CB before Melvin would have to play meaningful snaps as well, although there's a bit more depth there, even though it's not good depth.

 

All in all, I think it just shows the dire straits of the secondary.  There really are no good options, so I'm of the opinion to throw some guys out there and see what sticks.  The way I see it, it really can't get too much worse.  I feel like we've seen all we can see out of some guys, even Elam in this instance, to know what we have (or don't have, rather) in them.

[rmcjacket23]

And probably an injury away at CB before Melvin would have to play meaningful snaps as well, although there's a bit more depth there, even though it's not good depth.

 

All in all, I think it just shows the dire straits of the secondary.  There really are no good options, so I'm of the opinion to throw some guys out there and see what sticks.  The way I see it, it really can't get too much worse.  I feel like we've seen all we can see out of some guys, even Elam in this instance, to know what we have (or don't have, rather) in them.

At corner, I'm not sure we've seen enough yet though. Levine and Gorrer have basically only started two games, and Asa is due back. We need to find out if a guy like Levine or Gorrer is worth keeping around next season as a 4th corner ideally or if we need to wipe the entire slate clean.

 

In order to do that, you need more than just a 2 game sample. I think the preseason/training camp will be a good spot for Melvin to prove himself, if he's around. I have no doubt that outside of Jimmy the cornerback position is sort of going to be a wide open tryout this coming offseason.

[rmw10]

At corner, I'm not sure we've seen enough yet though. Levine and Gorrer have basically only started two games, and Asa is due back. We need to find out if a guy like Levine or Gorrer is worth keeping around next season as a 4th corner ideally or if we need to wipe the entire slate clean.

 

In order to do that, you need more than just a 2 game sample. I think the preseason/training camp will be a good spot for Melvin to prove himself, if he's around. I have no doubt that outside of Jimmy the cornerback position is sort of going to be a wide open tryout this coming offseason.

 

We're probably cleaning house for the most part in the secondary regardless of how the rest of the season goes.  Even with a 2 game sample size, you can see that there are clear physical and mental limitations at CB and at S.  I do see increased aggressiveness and urgency with the releases of Chykie and Franks, but not much has changed otherwise.  Truth be told, we're pretty much desperate at this point.  Will Hill has pretty much been the only quality player and even that hasn't been perfect.  I think we're kind of maxed out in the secondary in what we're going to get this year.