Vent thread: Chargers

[beanfigger]

I would have gone for it, but I lean pretty far towards the aggressive play most times. I actually liked the idea of a fake FG as well, but after than got foiled I'd say just go for it.

Once they scoped out the fake and we burned a timeout, I think the smart play was absolutely to put the offense back on the field.

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Once they scoped out the fake and we burned a timeout, I think the smart play was absolutely to put the offense back on the field.

 

They didnt Scope it out a ref pointed it out for them...

 

Shady shady

[jazz1988]

Brooks is an amazing talent at safety. Its really unforuntate that one play landed him on the bench , harbs.. , He was in great position on that play and I wonder if anyone else would have even been near the play.

 

He's got speed, range, and hits like a truck yet Elam get minutes and Brooks get none.

 

This is actually his second time  not capitalizing on plays that he should. The last one  was against The Bengels and  i definitely can understand why Harb benched him. He's a rookie and rookies prone to make big mistake or mistakes in general.   

[jazz1988]

Once they scoped out the fake and we burned a timeout, I think the smart play was absolutely to put the offense back on the field.

 

 I guess Harbaugh wanted to play it safe and he has been taking so much heat for going for it on 4th downs in the past. Both Torrey and Marlon was out so i guess he didn't want to risk it .

[beanfigger]

I guess Harbaugh wanted to play it safe and he has been taking so much heat for going for it on 4th downs in the past. Both Torrey and Marlon was out so i guess he didn't want to risk it .

Well as all the numbers have shown, kicking it was the bigger risk given the score and situation.

[jazz1988]

Well as all the numbers have shown, kicking it was the bigger risk given the score and situation.

 

Yeah I know. We should of went for it but maybe if Jacoby Jones was alot more clutch on that last kick returner than we probably would have won the game. 

[BmoreBird22]

Well as all the numbers have shown, kicking it was the bigger risk given the score and situation.

  

Yeah I know. We should of went for it but maybe if Jacoby Jones was alot more clutch on that last kick returner than we probably would have won the game.

I agree with kicking it, just not taking the time out. In that situation, kicking it puts the Ravens by by six, requiring the Chargers to get a touchdown. If the Ravens go for it and miss, the Chargers are down by three, and if they score, the Ravens are down by four and require a touchdown to win. With the field goal, they could still win with a field goal.

Far smarter to kick the field goal there than go for it

[beanfigger]

I agree with kicking it, just not taking the time out. In that situation, kicking it puts the Ravens by by six, requiring the Chargers to get a touchdown. If the Ravens go for it and miss, the Chargers are down by three, and if they score, the Ravens are down by four and require a touchdown to win. With the field goal, they could still win with a field goal.

Far smarter to kick the field goal there than go for it

All the data shows that a team down by only three is far less likely to be aggressive and score a td. They would have got in position for the tying field goal, leaving us at worse with OT.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

All the data shows that a team down by only three is far less likely to be aggressive and score a td. They would have got in position for the tying field goal, leaving us at worse with OT.

 

Can you imagine the uproar if they had tied it up though.

 

Half of the board would have been calling for Harbaugh's head - even though we now know that kicking the FG still ended in a crap result.

[BmoreBird22]

All the data shows that a team down by only three is far less likely to be aggressive and score a td. They would have got in position for the tying field goal, leaving us at worse with OT.

No, leaving the Ravens at worse down by four points and needing a touchdown to win.

Do you really think the Chargers would not try to score the touchdown after how Philip Rivers was eating the secondary alive? He had already scored two easy touchdowns and was on a roll. Given the weak secondary situation and how much Rivers had heated up, the Chargers would have been ridiculously dumb to just settle for going for the field goal, not the win. They could have easily gone for the touchdown while setting up for the field goal.

Smart decision for the field goal

[beanfigger]

No, leaving the Ravens at worse down by four points and needing a touchdown to win.

Do you really think the Chargers would not try to score the touchdown after how Philip Rivers was eating the secondary alive? He had already scored two easy touchdowns and was on a roll. Given the weak secondary situation and how much Rivers had heated up, the Chargers would have been ridiculously dumb to just settle for going for the field goal, not the win. They could have easily gone for the touchdown while setting up for the field goal.

Smart decision for the field goal

 

I'm not saying they couldn't have or wouldn't have tried for the TD, but the data shows that teams don't in that situation. What if Rivers hadn't needed to risk throwing that ball deep into the endzone on the play that drew the game-winning INT? Maybe he still would have, but there is a chance that not needing a TD would have given him some hesitance to take a chance like that with tight coverage. He could have chosen an underneath route, or (and this is more likely after seeing this happen for years with many teams in that situation) the Chargers could have simply chosen to run the ball a couple times after getting close to FG range so they could kick the game-tying FG with no time left.

 

I'm not making this all up. Check the stats that have been posted by others already. Yes, they could have scored a TD still, but we also might have used our own timeout on defense once they got into FG range and gotten the ball back with more time left for us to answer. Kicking the FG was not the smart play according to statistics and probability. That's not an opinion. However, we still should have won either way. The only certainty is that if we had gone for it and succeeded, the game would have officially been over and we would have guaranteed the victory with a few kneel downs. Not picking it up would have left us with the same chance to win, but less of a chance to lose because there is a very high chance the game would have simply been tied up instead.

[beanfigger]

Can you imagine the uproar if they had tied it up though.

 

Half of the board would have been calling for Harbaugh's head - even though we now know that kicking the FG still ended in a crap result.

 

If they had tied it up and we (a) had time to go back and win in regulation or ( b ) won it in OT, the boards would have been critical, but overall much happier.

 

Had we still lost in OT, however, the boards would probably have been just as upset and crazy as they are now.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not saying they couldn't have or wouldn't have tried for the TD, but the data shows that teams don't in that situation. What if Rivers hadn't needed to risk throwing that ball deep into the endzone on the play that drew the game-winning INT? Maybe he still would have, but there is a chance that not needing a TD would have given him some hesitance to take a chance like that with tight coverage. He could have chosen an underneath route, or (and this is more likely after seeing this happen for years with many teams in that situation) the Chargers could have simply chosen to run the ball a couple times after getting close to FG range so they could kick the game-tying FG with no time left.

 

I'm not making this all up. Check the stats that have been posted by others already. Yes, they could have scored a TD still, but we also might have used our own timeout on defense once they got into FG range and gotten the ball back with more time left for us to answer. Kicking the FG was not the smart play according to statistics and probability. That's not an opinion. However, we still should have won either way. The only certainty is that if we had gone for it and succeeded, the game would have officially been over and we would have guaranteed the victory with a few kneel downs. Not picking it up would have left us with the same chance to win, but less of a chance to lose because there is a very high chance the game would have simply been tied up instead.

The problem with quoting stats like these is the fact that they do not take into account the history of the game. The Chargers were 9/11 on third down up to that point and Philip Rivers was shredding the secondary with ease. The statistics don't take that into account.  They don't take into account that the Ravens had an UDFA safety playing in just his third career game as a defensive back. 

 

Oh, Rivers would almost certainly take that mismatch all day. Levine wasn't playing all that well, frequently giving up easy completions to no end. Plus, Floyd has like 6 inches on him. Levine had his back turned and so Rivers threw the jump ball. Best case scenario is a touchdown and worst case a likely PI because Levine had no idea where the ball was until it was too late. If you watch the play, Rivers got the ball out when Floyd had at least a step on Levine. He probably actually put too much air on the throw for how beat Levine was.

Given how easily the Chargers moved the ball down the field on that drive, do you really think they would have stopped at any point to not try to score the touchdown? If they're driving and not throwing incompletions or taking sacks, why would they all of a sudden just start running and settle for a field goal? They had zero reason to think they couldn't get the touchdown. 

 

The statistics might favor the other team going for a field goal, but it's not 100%. Know why? Because of situations like this where the other team (the Chargers) are having no problem moving the ball and are in a prime position to score.

[beanfigger]

The problem with quoting stats like these is the fact that they do not take into account the history of the game. The Chargers were 9/11 on third down up to that point and Philip Rivers was shredding the secondary with ease. The statistics don't take that into account.  They don't take into account that the Ravens had an UDFA safety playing in just his third career game as a defensive back. 

 

Oh, Rivers would almost certainly take that mismatch all day. Levine wasn't playing all that well, frequently giving up easy completions to no end. Plus, Floyd has like 6 inches on him. Levine had his back turned and so Rivers threw the jump ball. Best case scenario is a touchdown and worst case a likely PI because Levine had no idea where the ball was until it was too late. If you watch the play, Rivers got the ball out when Floyd had at least a step on Levine. He probably actually put too much air on the throw for how beat Levine was.

Given how easily the Chargers moved the ball down the field on that drive, do you really think they would have stopped at any point to not try to score the touchdown? If they're driving and not throwing incompletions or taking sacks, why would they all of a sudden just start running and settle for a field goal? They had zero reason to think they couldn't get the touchdown. 

 

The statistics might favor the other team going for a field goal, but it's not 100%. Know why? Because of situations like this where the other team (the Chargers) are having no problem moving the ball and are in a prime position to score.

 

Ok. Your arguments makes sense. That's a valid opinion to have. All I know is, we kicked the FG and still lost, so it's not like we could have done worse going for it. And, like I said, we could have actually gotten the first down, which was the only things short of scoring a TD that would have guaranteed victory. That's one of the main reasons going for it was what I consider the better choice. We weren't guaranteed to get stopped short and then watch them go down and win it. However, by kicking the FG we are guaranteed to give them the ball back, make or miss.

 

 EDIT: Also, by everything you just said there, virtually positive there was nothing we or the Chargers could do to keep them out of the endzone, what good did kicking the field goal actually do? A touchdown beats us either way.

[Edgar]

Cause he's the third rounder that we traded up for and actually expected to be our starting running back.Pierce hasn't been terrible running the ball but I would like to see more Taliferro (might have spelled that wrong) .

he perhaps hasn't been terrible but we need a lot better production from our 2. The drop off is quite dramatic from forsett to pierce.

[Dfence4champs2052]

We'd be sitting pretty right now if we had won last week too. SMH.

[PurpleCity5]

UGH! After that win against Miami this loss to San Diego HURTS! They'd control their own destiny by now but sadly that's not the case....

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Its DPI 100 out of 100 times. I'd love for somebody to show me a clip of a defensive back initiating contact with the receiver (which Levine did, along with having no clue where the ball was until the very last minute) and the offensive player being called for OPI. I literally have no idea what game tape people are watching.

 

To me, expecting to get an OPI call on that play is a YOU problem, not a ref or league problem. If you expect to get one, you are going to be disappointed for the rest of eternity.

 

Obviously, the conspiracy nonesense is illogical, just as it always have been. These X-files conspiracy theories are nothing more than fans trying to help themselves sleep better at night by portraying the NFL to have some phantom, fan-generated, conjured out of thin air grudge.

 

All these NFL conspiracies are just comedic to me. Sometimes I think its literally comedians who are working on their standup routines and pitches on a fan forum.

Great synopsis! You're obviously a rocket scientist and not a knowledgeable fan of the sport if you

can't see the NFL's bias against our team. How'd you like the no call against Steve Smith in the end zone that cost us a TD? He would have caught the ball if he didn't have a defender pulling on his

jersey and thus pulling him away from the ball. Oh, that's right! I forgot. You're watching different game tapes than the rest of us.

Truly yours,

Sleeping well at night

PS - BTW, do you have something against standup comedians?

[beanfigger]

UGH! After that win against Miami this loss to San Diego HURTS! They'd control their own destiny by now but sadly that's not the case....

Ravens do control their own destiny for playoffs, fortunately. But had we won against SD, we'd also control our own destiny for the division.

[PurpleCity5]

Ravens do control their own destiny for playoffs, fortunately. But had we won against SD, we'd also control our own destiny for the division.

I was referring to the division. There's no chance Cincinnati or Pittsburgh matches a 12-4 record. Had they won one game against Cincinnati as well, we're talking about a potential 13-3 record. 

 

O'well, it is what it is, I'd rather have Baltimore win the division, home field sounds better.