Vent thread: Chargers

[rmw10]

Yes but sending blitz more often or than not applies more pressure and it did have better results than the 4 man rush. I'd take that 1.3 rating over the 5.8 any day. Pees is just playing too safe and it hasn't been working as of late. Like I've said before if your secondary is going to get torched either way isnt it better to attack and maybe cause some bad throws than to sit back and allow the Qb to tear us up?

 

You can't play too aggressive with such a poor secondary.  If the pressure doesn't get there, the QB has a bevy of options because no one in our secondary can cover.  We're still blitzing plenty.  We can't send the house 80% of the time.

[Dewy101]

Spelling is good.

I am sure we would have been 8&4 if Lorenzo was in on our last scoring (FG) drive - Forsett was stopped twice half yard from goal line.

The patience and vision is excellent. The only problem with Forsett, not big enough to break tackles consistently. I could've sworn I saw him get tackled by the socks on Sunday

[BmoreBird22]

You can't play too aggressive with such a poor secondary.  If the pressure doesn't get there, the QB has a bevy of options because no one in our secondary can cover.  We're still blitzing plenty.  We can't send the house 80% of the time.

Yeah, I don't think people realize how important it is to pick and choose when you blitz. Sure, we can say that when the Ravens blitzed 40% of the time, it worked well, but I'm sure you'd get a far different result if the percentage were doubled

 

I'd imagine that if a graph were made for measuring the effectiveness of blitzing versus the percentage of blitz plays, it'd be a bell curve.

[Dewy101]

You can't play too aggressive with such a poor secondary. If the pressure doesn't get there, the QB has a bevy of options because no one in our secondary can cover. We're still blitzing plenty. We can't send the house 80% of the time.

I was expecting more in the 45-50 percent range. Maybe it could've changed the outcome of the game. Pees biggest mistake had to be not allowing Will Hill to cover gates. It seemed like every 3rd down conversion had Gates at the receiving end. Not trying to blame the refs either but I saw a couple of pick plays and push offs by Gates and Allen that were about as obvious as they get but weren't called.

[The Raven]

Yeah, I don't think people realize how important it is to pick and choose when you blitz. Sure, we can say that when the Ravens blitzed 40% of the time, it worked well, but I'm sure you'd get a far different result if the percentage were doubled

 

I'd imagine that if a graph were made for measuring the effectiveness of blitzing versus the percentage of blitz plays, it'd be a bell curve.

 

I guarantee it.

[rmw10]

I was expecting more in the 45-50 percent range. Maybe it could've changed the outcome of the game. Pees biggest mistake had to be not allowing Will Hill to cover gates. It seemed like every 3rd down conversion had Gates at the receiving end. Not trying to blame the refs either but I saw a couple of pick plays and push offs by Gates and Allen that were about as obvious as they get but weren't called.

 

We're doing just fine.  Pees is doing what he can with what he has.  The more you blitz, the more the big play becomes possible for the offense.  If the pressure doesn't get there, you're leaving an awfully poor secondary on largely 1-on-1 coverage.

 

As for Hill, we had to keep him deep for the most part.  We don't really have anyone else capable of playing deep with that sort of range.  As with blitzing, sticking the best coverage S we have on the TE leaves a lot of 1-on-1 battles for a poor secondary.

[gabefergy]

Yes but sending blitz more often or than not applies more pressure and it did have better results than the 4 man rush. I'd take that 1.3 rating over the 5.8 any day. Pees is just playing too safe and it hasn't been working as of late. Like I've said before if your secondary is going to get torched either way isnt it better to attack and maybe cause some bad throws than to sit back and allow the Qb to tear us up?

Once again you are misinterpreting the information. 5.8 rating was when he wasn't pressured, not when he wasn't blitzed. Those are two entirely different things.

[gabefergy]

You can't play too aggressive with such a poor secondary.  If the pressure doesn't get there, the QB has a bevy of options because no one in our secondary can cover.  We're still blitzing plenty.  We can't send the house 80% of the time.

My sig disagrees!

[gabefergy]

I was expecting more in the 45-50 percent range. Maybe it could've changed the outcome of the game. Pees biggest mistake had to be not allowing Will Hill to cover gates. It seemed like every 3rd down conversion had Gates at the receiving end. Not trying to blame the refs either but I saw a couple of pick plays and push offs by Gates and Allen that were about as obvious as they get but weren't called.

There was exactly one situation where I would have liked to see a blitz and Pees played soft coverage instead. Chargers had 3rd and 3, but Pees chose to let them have easy completion underneath and let the clock run instead. A blitz there could have forced a different outcome and as you pointed out earlier, worst case they score a TD and we get the ball back with more time. That said I understand the desire to force them to matriculate the ball when the clock was their enemy. Without the PI who knows what happens.

[The Mom Gene]

This has to be the longest vent thread in the history of the board right ?

I think the 2011 AFC game was longer

[BmoreBird22]

I think the 2011 AFC game was longer

Ooooh, you just hit a nerve with me...

[The Mom Gene]

Ooooh, you just hit a nerve with me...

Sorry..... Yeah, I still cannot watch the end of that game...  Yeeeuuupp...  still stings.

[BmoreBird22]

Sorry..... Yeah, I still cannot watch the end of that game...  Yeeeuuupp...  still stings.

And in that offseason, I couldn't believe how cocky Cundiff was about his thoughts on winning the kicker battle. Oh man, that made this loss more palatable.

[The Mom Gene]

Ooooh, you just hit a nerve with me...

 Didn't mean to open old wounds....

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Actually, yes, I will partially blame Pees for the number of penalties. Coaches are routinely blamed for fielding undisciplined teams. How often has Jim Harbaugh been blamed for his players losing their cool on the field? So if the Ravens players on defense are drawing that many penalties, if they're that undisciplined, then maybe they're being coached wrong.

In all fairness to Coach Pees and Anthony Levine as well as the secondary coach

whoever he is, the PI penalty against Anthony Levine was as atrocious as the no

call on the illegal pick that resulted in a San Diego TD on the next play. It should

have been, at least,offsetting penalties for offensive PI and defensive PI. The refs are doing their best at taking out the NFL's wrath against Ray Rice on the Ravens

team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

The biggest problem I see with the secondary is their inability to play press

defense. They allow our opponents WRs and TEs to run freely w/o chucking them at the LOS. They give up entirely too much ground because they are weak in coverage. If that doesn't change this week, we can pack it in for this year. Tannehill is a dink & dunk passer like Joe Montana. Their only deep threat is Mike Wallace and he will

receive double coverage most of the time. The main problem with the secondary is

execution, not poor coaching.

[DomMcRaven]

Ooooh, you just hit a nerve with me...

I will never forget that day either. The amount of teasing and trolling I received the day after was of epic proportions. I told every troll that I was constantly hitting the refresh button on NFL.com waiting for the breaking news: Billy Cundiff has been released. #neverforget

[rmcjacket23]

In all fairness to Coach Pees and Anthony Levine as well as the secondary coach

whoever he is, the PI penalty against Anthony Levine was as atrocious as the no

call on the illegal pick that resulted in a San Diego TD on the next play. It should

have been, at least,offsetting penalties for offensive PI and defensive PI. The refs are doing their best at taking out the NFL's wrath against Ray Rice on the Ravens

team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

The biggest problem I see with the secondary is their inability to play press

defense. They allow our opponents WRs and TEs to run freely w/o chucking them at the LOS. They give up entirely too much ground because they are weak in coverage. If that doesn't change this week, we can pack it in for this year. Tannehill is a dink & dunk passer like Joe Montana. Their only deep threat is Mike Wallace and he will

receive double coverage most of the time. The main problem with the secondary is

execution, not poor coaching.

Its DPI 100 out of 100 times. I'd love for somebody to show me a clip of a defensive back initiating contact with the receiver (which Levine did, along with having no clue where the ball was until the very last minute) and the offensive player being called for OPI. I literally have no idea what game tape people are watching.

 

To me, expecting to get an OPI call on that play is a YOU problem, not a ref or league problem. If you expect to get one, you are going to be disappointed for the rest of eternity.

 

Obviously, the conspiracy nonesense is illogical, just as it always have been. These X-files conspiracy theories are nothing more than fans trying to help themselves sleep better at night by portraying the NFL to have some phantom, fan-generated, conjured out of thin air grudge.

 

All these NFL conspiracies are just comedic to me. Sometimes I think its literally comedians who are working on their standup routines and pitches on a fan forum.

[Inqui]

I think the 2011 AFC game was longer

Too soon.

[Inqui]

Yeah, I don't think people realize how important it is to pick and choose when you blitz. Sure, we can say that when the Ravens blitzed 40% of the time, it worked well, but I'm sure you'd get a far different result if the percentage were doubled

 

I'd imagine that if a graph were made for measuring the effectiveness of blitzing versus the percentage of blitz plays, it'd be a bell curve.

Beat me to it. But just to add to this, you blitz/bring other exotic means of pressure too many times and eventually a QB like Rivers with a WCO like the one he's in will eventually start finding holes - and it's a matter of time before he starts dialing up quick slants where a now-blitzing LB should have been and that'll hit you for bigger gains than what people are complaining about at the moment.

[Dewy101]

Once again you are misinterpreting the information. 5.8 rating was when he wasn't pressured, not when he wasn't blitzed. Those are two entirely different things.

Yeah I know what I'm trying to to say is that maybe more blitzing would cause more pressure and Rivers has been horrible under pressure. It's the types of blitzes that Pees ran that really confuses me. They had a 4th string center in I'm sure double A gap blitz would have terrorized them. I saw Pees run it once with 2 min remaining in the 4th and it worked he didn't try it again. Also in the 4th Q with 3:47 left someone needs to tell me how that was a holding call on Daryl Smith? He barely put his hands on Allen who wasn't even 5 yards past the line. Allen flopped and the refs threw a flag. That call changed the whole game

[Moderator 2]

I think the 2011 AFC game was longer

That was the 'birth' of the vent thread actually lol It helps to keep all the grumping in one place and we tend to let up on the moderation since we are all salty too.

[rmw10]

That was the 'birth' of the vent thread actually lol It helps to keep all the grumping in one place and we tend to let up on the moderation since we are all salty too.

I remember the days of 100 angry threads post game. I was more of a lurker at that point, thankfully.

[PurpleCityLights]

Bring back rex jets are 7th in total defense 13th against the pass with free agents playing c.b.compare the jets talent to the ravens the only difference i see is coaching. I know this will not happen but you never know harbs did bring in kubes.

You still believe Harbs hired Him?............so sad, smh.

[FlackAttack]

He may be a bum but we got a bunch of hobos out there now

100% true!

[redrum52]

I remember the days of 100 angry threads post game. I was more of a lurker at that point, thankfully.

The threads went to hell after the MNF debacle against the Jags.

[jazz1988]

You still believe Harbs hired Him?............so sad, smh.

 

Do you have any evidence that he didn't cause going by Mike Preston word isn't going convince me.

[The Mom Gene]

Too soon.

Sorry Guys....Somebody said this was the longest Vent thread.....  Was just sayin..... 

[BmoreBird22]

Do you have any evidence that he didn't cause going by Mike Preston word isn't going convince me.

considering the story I've heard is that John was having dinner with Kubiak at John's house, where John talked about Kubiak returning to coaching, it definitely was John

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah I know what I'm trying to to say is that maybe more blitzing would cause more pressure and Rivers has been horrible under pressure. It's the types of blitzes that Pees ran that really confuses me. They had a 4th string center in I'm sure double A gap blitz would have terrorized them. I saw Pees run it once with 2 min remaining in the 4th and it worked he didn't try it again. Also in the 4th Q with 3:47 left someone needs to tell me how that was a holding call on Daryl Smith? He barely put his hands on Allen who wasn't even 5 yards past the line. Allen flopped and the refs threw a flag. That call changed the whole game

The problem is that every quarterback (well, maybe there's an exception or two, but I'd like to know who) are terrible under pressure. That's nothing new. You get a quarterback moving, get hands in his face, defenders on him so he can't set his feet, etc and it's going to lead to bad throws. Now, realize that Rivers tears up the blitz normally. I don't have a PFF subscription, but ESPN has him at a 70% completion percentage, 9 yards per attempt, 10 touchdowns, and only 1 interception. He actually improves his passed rating when you put more players on the LoS, having his best passed rating against the blitz. He's been sacked on only 6% of the throws he's been blitzed on, and that's not including plays where he ran, which will lower that percentage.

The Ravens may not have ran double A gap pressure, but they certainly ran a lot of stunts and loops to the inside all game long. It just wasn't working

[redrum52]

The problem is that every quarterback (well, maybe there's an exception or two, but I'd like to know who) are terrible under pressure. That's nothing new. You get a quarterback moving, get hands in his face, defenders on him so he can't set his feet, etc and it's going to lead to bad throws. Now, realize that Rivers tears up the blitz normally. I don't have a PFF subscription, but ESPN has him at a 70% completion percentage, 9 yards per attempt, 10 touchdowns, and only 1 interception. He actually improves his passed rating when you put more players on the LoS, having his best passed rating against the blitz. He's been sacked on only 6% of the throws he's been blitzed on, and that's not including plays where he ran, which will lower that percentage.

The Ravens may not have ran double A gap pressure, but they certainly ran a lot of stunts and loops to the inside all game long. It just wasn't working

Blitzing and pressure are different things, something I don't think a lot of people get. If your qb is smart enough, you're putting your guys on the back end in a bad situation,especially if said qb is accurate Ala Rivers. Some people don't seem to realize how often we blitz and it doesn't work.