Vent thread: Chargers

[BmoreBird22]

What is loops?

It's when a player comes from rushing the outside to the inside in a looping path. So, you'll see a defensive end or outside linebacker vacate the rush from the outside to come inside with the hope that it isn't picked up by the interior lineman. It's called a loop because the path taken usually "loops" inside

[blitzking33]

The Ravens tried everything they could to slow down Rivers. They mixed and matched coverages and players in the back end. Will Hill started again, but the other safety spot continues to rotate as Jeromy Miles saw the majority of snaps ahead of rookie Terrence Brooks and Darian Stewart. Matt Elam played mostly as the nickel cornerback.

 

Quote from blog article: Secondary reacts...

Brooks didn’t play a single defensive snap Sunday after a bad play that resulted in a touchdown in New Orleans. Brooks missed a chance at an interception in the end zone by misplaying the ball.

 

Quote from the article: How Forsett Spends his (Bargain) Salary

[redrum52]

You're really doing to nit pick about Joe's first drive and call him "off the mark"? On a drive on which he went 4/5 for 61 Yards and a TD. That's almost a perfect passer rating.

You're going to nit pick my post when I praised him the rest of the post? 2 of those completions were because of better catches than throws.

And the reason I mention it is cause of how slow the offense usually seem to starts games.

[redrum52]

I'm not even a big Pees fan, and I honestly wouldn't care less if he were fired... but I'm starting to get a sneaky suspicion that the 2015 version of Dean Pees is going to be exactly like the 2014 version of Juan Castillo.

We add some more talented players to the mix, and all of the sudden things get a lot better. Naturally, no fan will apologize for their demands for termination though... that would require fans to be accountable for what they say.

I was thinking this as well. Improve the personnel in FA and the draft and Jimmy will be returning. Keep Hill and people's perception might change. I barely hear Juans name mentioned now, even though I think that has more to do with Kubiak.

[Drew P]

Those guys are as bad as Mike Preston....  God I hate RSR.

 

That dude has way too much time on his hands, we got it, Elam cost us the Ravens a playoff berth...sure.

[jazz1988]

It's when a player comes from rushing the outside to the inside in a looping path. So, you'll see a defensive end or outside linebacker vacate the rush from the outside to come inside with the hope that it isn't picked up by the interior lineman. It's called a loop because the path taken usually "loops" inside

 

Now I understand . I believe that's what Terrell Suggs did when he got his sack on Rivers but i believe you said we aren't good at. I kinda don't understand why we shouldn't or can't be good at it with guys like Doom, Suggs, Ngata, and Mcphee .

[jazz1988]

I was thinking this as well. Improve the personnel in FA and the draft and Jimmy will be returning. Keep Hill and people's perception might change. I barely hear Juans name mentioned now, even though I think that has more to do with Kubiak.

 

I'm not the biggest fan of Pees but he isn't a bad defensive coordinator at all.   Some people want him gone and some of reason are understandable and not understandable. Honestly you can be a good defensive coordinator but still don't get the results you expect even with good players.

 

At the end of the day coordinators are like teachers. I'm sure people here have been through school and there are times where a teacher can teach his butt off but still don't get positive results from his students like he should while another teacher teaches the same thing and gets better results .

 

Some times players/students respond better to coaches/teachers that they actually like. I have no clue how Pees actually coaches up his defensive players but if they consider it boring then you going to get boring results on the field. If his teachings are simplified then it's going to be some players whom aren't going to catch on.

[Moderator 2]

Those guys are as bad as Mike Preston....  God I hate RSR.

Agreed BUT Ken is pretty good I've shared games with him before you could get the all 22 and game rewind-- he's meticulous .

[Edgar]

You're going to nit pick my post when I praised him the rest of the post? 2 of those completions were because of better catches than throws.

And the reason I mention it is cause of how slow the offense usually seem to starts games.

I think Joe was the best player on the field for us Sunday but I agree with your observations early on. in fact, a little later joe had a golden opportunity to convert on 3rd down in the red zone with Smith,sr. wide open for an easy conversion. Joe got him the ball very late (for his one and only catch) and the drive stalled.

Unfortunately we are going to need the offense in general to have close to perfect execution from here on out to make the playoffs.

[rmcjacket23]

I think Joe was the best player on the field for us Sunday but I agree with your observations early on. in fact, a little later joe had a golden opportunity to convert on 3rd down in the red zone with Smith,sr. wide open for an easy conversion. Joe got him the ball very late (for his one and only catch) and the drive stalled.

Unfortunately we are going to need the offense in general to have close to perfect execution from here on out to make the playoffs.

And there's the problem, because fans are going to at least somewhat blame the offense for losses if they aren't perfect.

 

If you need any single unit of your team to literally be "perfect" to win a football game, then the whole season is irrelevant, because you aren't going anywhere meaningful.

 

I don't buy that the offense needs to be perfect. I buy that the defense just simply can't be as bad as they were against SD. Heck, they could be NO bad (and they were far from good in that game), and we can win with good but not perfect offensive production.

[Static]

Curious what the press conference will be about?

[redrum52]

I think Joe was the best player on the field for us Sunday but I agree with your observations early on. in fact, a little later joe had a golden opportunity to convert on 3rd down in the red zone with Smith,sr. wide open for an easy conversion. Joe got him the ball very late (for his one and only catch) and the drive stalled.

Unfortunately we are going to need the offense in general to have close to perfect execution from here on out to make the playoffs.

I thought he was too. The offense as a whole need to step up cause this backfield is awful. It feels like 2012 where we couldn't stop the run, but now it's the secondary. They had too many chances on offense to get tds and didn't take aadvantage. Not blaming the loss on them just saying. Torrey and Steve both dropped tds and those points helped determine the game. I don't think anyone watching thought the defense was going to hold and was just hoping they would score fast enough for us to at least get into fg range.

[The Mom Gene]

Brooks didn’t play a single defensive snap Sunday after a bad play that resulted in a touchdown in New Orleans. Brooks missed a chance at an interception in the end zone by misplaying the ball.

 

Quote from the article: How Forsett Spends his (Bargain) Salary

So go after the writers... not the quoters......

[BmoreBird22]

Now I understand . I believe that's what Terrell Suggs did when he got his sack on Rivers but i believe you said we aren't good at. I kinda don't understand why we shouldn't or can't be good at it with guys like Doom, Suggs, Ngata, and Mcphee .

It requires speed to get to the inside from the edge and also requires the personnel to be able to take on large guards and centers. The one who I'd trust is McPhee. Doom is going to be too small and Suggs generally isn't that fast.

[The Mom Gene]

It requires speed to get to the inside from the edge and also requires the personnel to be able to take on large guards and centers. The one who I'd trust is McPhee. Doom is going to be too small and Suggs generally isn't that fast.

I like that move though.  He's done it a few times this year.  Like I said, I think he got Brees on it too, not sure, but I've seen Suggs up the middle.  It's cool.

 

Daryl Smith is another one that could do that... 

[rmw10]

I think it's hard for us to run stunts when the secondary can't hold coverage for very long.  Stunts in general take a little bit longer to develop and it takes precision as well.  QBs are just able to get the ball out so quickly that I'm not sure it matters what looks we're trying to throw.

[gabefergy]

I think PFF said it best

"Breakdown: Rivers was intercepted on his first pass attempt of the game, but he was nearly perfect after that. The Ravens blitzed him 19 times, and he earned a PFF grade of +1.3 on those pass plays. On the 32 drop-backs when not blitzed, Rivers earned a +5.8 grade

Signature Stat: When Rivers was not pressured, he was 24-of-32 for 281 yards, two touchdowns and a +6.1 PFF grade."

Are people still making excuses for Pees?

This really means nothing at all, other than Rivers had a really good day no matter what the defense did. Pees blitzed almost 40% of the time and it didn't help. Rivers was clearly still having success against the blitz because the blitz was not always resulting in pressure and it further exposes the secondary.

[BmoreBird22]

I like that move though.  He's done it a few times this year.  Like I said, I think he got Brees on it too, not sure, but I've seen Suggs up the middle.  It's cool.

 

Daryl Smith is another one that could do that...

I think I saw CJ Mosley do it against the Saints, but I can't quite remember. I do believe Suggs did it against the Saints as a free rusher, which speaks volumes to the interior drawing that much attention

[beanfigger]

I thought he was too. The offense as a whole need to step up cause this backfield is awful. It feels like 2012 where we couldn't stop the run, but now it's the secondary. They had too many chances on offense to get tds and didn't take aadvantage. Not blaming the loss on them just saying. Torrey and Steve both dropped tds and those points helped determine the game. I don't think anyone watching thought the defense was going to hold and was just hoping they would score fast enough for us to at least get into fg range.

It's very, very rare for Joe to play so well in a loss. We've won many games when he wasn't at his best, but we've rarely lost when he was on point like Sunday. It's discouraging to witness. I hope it doesn't continue.

[3-4ravdef509]

It's very, very rare for Joe to play so well in a loss. We've won many games when he wasn't at his best, but we've rarely lost when he was on point like Sunday. It's discouraging to witness. I hope it doesn't continue.

 

I know, right? Most of our losses this year Flacco played average or worse.

[Dewy101]

This really means nothing at all, other than Rivers had a really good day no matter what the defense did. Pees blitzed almost 40% of the time and it didn't help. Rivers was clearly still having success against the blitz because the blitz was not always resulting in pressure and it further exposes the secondary.

Disagree the blitz was having far more success than people realize. +1.3 rating on 19 snaps is barely above average. He was blitzed 37% of the time and was under pressure 31% of the time. Rivers this season when under pressure has had a 52% completion 6 TDs to 4 TDs.

[Static]

Why is Pierce still getting carries? I don't understand why we fail to put the best players on the field game in an game out? 

[jazz1988]

Why is Pierce still getting carries? I don't understand why we fail to put the best players on the field game in an game out? 

 

Cause he's the third rounder that we traded up for and actually expected to be our starting running back.Pierce hasn't been terrible running the ball but I would like to see more Taliferro (might have spelled that wrong) .

[allblackraven]

Cause he's the third rounder that we traded up for and actually expected to be our starting running back.Pierce hasn't been terrible running the ball but I would like to see more Taliferro (might have spelled that wrong) .

Spelling is good.

 

I am sure we would have been 8&4 if Lorenzo was in on our last scoring (FG) drive - Forsett was stopped twice half yard from goal line.

[beanfigger]

I know, right? Most of our losses this year Flacco played average or worse.

 

Surprisingly, this was graded by PFF as his best game of the season.

"

Joe Flacco, QB: +6.6

Breakdown: Excellent in a losing effort, Flacco earned his best PFF grade of the season. Flacco was at his best when not pressured, completing 13 of 18 passes for  178 yards, two touchdowns and a +4.3 grade.

Signature Stat: Flacco ranks third in deep passing accuracy this season, but was unable to do much damage with the deep ball in this game. He finished just 1-4 for 24 yards on passes thrown 20+ yards, but Steve Smith dropped one that would have gone for a long gain."

 

That last statement about deep passing accuracy is for 1/28, who keeps asking about that.

[gabefergy]

Disagree the blitz was having far more success than people realize. +1.3 rating on 19 snaps is barely above average. He was blitzed 37% of the time and was under pressure 31% of the time. Rivers this season when under pressure has had a 52% completion 6 TDs to 4 TDs.

Well first off you are misinterpreting the stats. Blitz does not equal pressure, they are completely different in fact. There were several times the Ravens got to Rivers only rushing 4, including the Interception on the 2nd play, and there were numerous times when the Ravens did blitz and did not actually generate pressure on the QB. The fact that Rivers was a +1.3 on only 19 snaps against the blitz is a strong indication that the blitz is not working. If you are sending extra players and he is still performing above average it's not good.

[DomMcRaven]

Thanks man. And yea we face Tom Brady and Peyton Manning in back to back weeks and then play against the Niners and Chiefs to close out the season...lolz.

 

I'll take a 3-1 record the remaining way.

 

Hope yall do us a solid and beat Miami. Really don't want the Dolphins in the playoffs. Would rather the Chargers and Ravens get #5 and #6 spots.

I can settle with that. I wonder if a 3-1 (including a win against the Denver Mannings and Chiefs) would win the division for you guys.

 

I usually when I go to russellstreetreport.com I like to read what Ken McKusick aka Film Study has to say and for those that want to blame Pees or not blame Pees then you should read this because it's a good read.

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2014/12/03/filmstudy/weak-secondary-penalties-doom-ravens/

Really good read. At this point, all I can hope is that Elam does a lot of self-reflecting in the offseason in hoping for better play from him. To say he's been disappointing is an understatement.

[Sami84]

This has to be the longest vent thread in the history of the board right ?

[Dewy101]

Well first off you are misinterpreting the stats. Blitz does not equal pressure, they are completely different in fact. There were several times the Ravens got to Rivers only rushing 4, including the Interception on the 2nd play, and there were numerous times when the Ravens did blitz and did not actually generate pressure on the QB. The fact that Rivers was a +1.3 on only 19 snaps against the blitz is a strong indication that the blitz is not working. If you are sending extra players and he is still performing above average it's not good.

Yes but sending blitz more often or than not applies more pressure and it did have better results than the 4 man rush. I'd take that 1.3 rating over the 5.8 any day. Pees is just playing too safe and it hasn't been working as of late. Like I've said before if your secondary is going to get torched either way isnt it better to attack and maybe cause some bad throws than to sit back and allow the Qb to tear us up?

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