Ray Rice wins appeal, immediately reinstated

[rmcjacket23]

This seasons games would be covered by the NFL contract with the players' union. However it is handled when any player is cut during the season would apply I would think. If Rice is filing wrongful termination, then he is going after all salary due him until the end of his contract. Two different things.

 

The Ravens can certainly argue damages based on the video and the fallout - that would be no different than companies dropping him as a spokesman.

And I would think that argument might work IF Rice still had guaranteed money left on his contract, which he does not.

 

Therefore, it'd be tough for him to argue that he should get his full salary over the life of his contract, when its possible (and frankly likely) that he would be released from his contract for any number of reasons prior to it expiring anyway.

 

That's why I'm pretty sure the grievance is just for this years salary only.

[MTRavensFan]

Bottom line:

Prognosticating the future is a dangerous business. Everybody's got an opinion, but none of us have 100% of the information the court will have. We just have to let it play out and see what happens.

 

In the meantime, let's be nice to each other, even if we disagree.

[RedFire]

If the casino never shut down because Atlantic City went under....TMZ could never got a hold of the video. that's pretty much what Ravens and the NFL expected....and the NFL could have gotten the tape destroyed it at some point. 

 

Ravens put a PR spin on it. But at the end of the day it's still agenda and if a male family member grabbed his phone and he went through the same course of action no-one would be calling for Rice head and chalk it up to a family matter that can be worked out. Heck if Ray Rice did that to his boyfriend (Rice was a homosexual) we still would allow it to be a family issue. Agendas. Rice was wrong in the scenario....but I know when an agenda is being shoved down my throat. 

[Tru11]

And I would think that argument might work IF Rice still had guaranteed money left on his contract, which he does not.

 

Therefore, it'd be tough for him to argue that he should get his full salary over the life of his contract, when its possible (and frankly likely) that he would be released from his contract for any number of reasons prior to it expiring anyway.

 

That's why I'm pretty sure the grievance is just for this years salary only.

 

if he has any chance of winning then he should argue this season alone.

 

all seasons is almost a guaranteed loss lol.

 

he can make a good case he would be on the roster this season but no way in hell can he argue he would here next season or the 1 after .

[Wholelottahaloti]

Regarding whether Ray Rice can sue for the full value of his contract, including the non-guaranteed money is a very interesting issue.

 

It is certainly true that the Raven's could waive Rice at any time for any legitimate football operations reason and not be obligated for the non-guaranteed money.

 

But what about a situation where the court rules or the jury finds that the termination of the contract was illegitimate.  And before one jumps to the conclusion that Rice admitted to domestic violence and that was reason to terminate legitimately, (and it may have been), what about a situation where the wrongdoing was forgiven by both the Team and the League?...and thereafter the politics involved influenced the team to subsequently terminate the contract? 

 

If the judge or jury finds that Rice was illegitimately terminated why should he forfeit the balance of the contract which could only be legitimately terminated?

 

 

And I would think that argument might work IF Rice still had guaranteed money left on his contract, which he does not.

 

Therefore, it'd be tough for him to argue that he should get his full salary over the life of his contract, when its possible (and frankly likely) that he would be released from his contract for any number of reasons prior to it expiring anyway.

 

That's why I'm pretty sure the grievance is just for this years salary only.

 

 

if he has any chance of winning then he should argue this season alone.

 

all seasons is almost a guaranteed loss lol.

 

he can make a good case he would be on the roster this season but no way in hell can he argue he would here next season or the 1 after .

[rmcjacket23]

Regarding whether Ray Rice can sue for the full value of his contract, including the non-guaranteed money is a very interesting issue.

 

It is certainly true that the Raven's could waive Rice at any time for any legitimate football operations reason and not be obligated for the non-guaranteed money.

 

But what about a situation where the court rules or the jury finds that the termination of the contract was illegitimate.  And before one jumps to the conclusion that Rice admitted to domestic violence and that was reason to terminate legitimately, (and it may have been), what about a situation where the wrongdoing was forgiven by both the Team and the League?...and thereafter the politics involved influenced the team to subsequently terminate the contract? 

 

If the judge or jury finds that Rice was illegitimately terminated why should he forfeit the balance of the contract which could only be legitimately terminated?

True, but my point is... how do you prove to a judge that, in the future, the Ravens were going to allow Rice to play out the full terms of the contract?

 

Plus, I think the general point is that with a non-guaranteed contract, in the NFL, I don't believe there really is such a thing as "illegitimately terminated".

 

I think the key thing fans need to remember is that these are NOT contracts similar to what occurs in a "real job" or in the business world. There are very few, if any, contracts I know of in the business world that work similar to sports contracts and especially NFL contracts.

 

And keep in mind... it can go both ways. Aaron Hernandez will in all likelihood be convicted of essentially being a serial killer, and because he still had guaranteed money left on his contract, the Patriots were forced to pay it. I can't think of a more legitimate argument for not paying somebody guaranteed money (perhaps other than them dying themselves) than having somebody be imprisoned awaiting murder charges, yet the contract dictates that he still be paid.

[RedFire]

https://gma.yahoo.com/exclusive-newly-released-ray-rice-video-shows-couple-230223046--abc-news-topstories.html

 

more ray rice video after the elevator. 

 

but when are they going to release the casino video before the elevator? 

 

 

 

my point again you let the legal process play out and don't even respond to it from the NFL. 

[Tru11]

[The Mom Gene]

<------  is actually Over it all..... Let them move on folks.

 

(Insert video "Let it Go" from the movie Frozen here... )

[Militant X 1]

Another video tape of Ray Rice was released....

 

https://gma.yahoo.com/exclusive-newly-released-ray-rice-video-shows-couple-230223046--abc-news-topstories.html

[BirdWatcher]

I wish the media would stop hounding this couple.

[mdrsharon]

What is done is done.

 

Ray did lots of great things in the community, anti- bullying being the best.

BUT, I  he hit her - that is excusable, whether she hit him, as well, doesn't matter. He is a strong pro football player, she is a woman, however strong she is, he is stronger.

 

I think his NFL career is over.

 

I think for the goodness in the community, the Ravens should just pay him out, and be done.

Already.

[cobrajet]

Another video tape of Ray Rice was released....

 

https://gma.yahoo.com/exclusive-newly-released-ray-rice-video-shows-couple-230223046--abc-news-topstories.html

It is crazy how they are releasing all these videos piece meal.

[K-Dog]

I wish the media would stop hounding this couple.

I wish the posters here would stop hounding this topic.