Ray Rice wins appeal, immediately reinstated

[Inqui]

Company employees can also get fired at will . That doesn't mean they can't win a wrongful termination lawsuit . With the evidence Rice has , he will get this money .

I'm pretty sure a regular company needs to provide a reason - usually that they suck at their job or the company's looking at cutbacks (because corporate departments are usually skinflints with no sense of how a company ticks, but I'm digressing here).

 

An NFL contract is different in that a team doesn't need to give a reason at all, and that's why they have the distinction between guaranteed and non-guaranteed money. The same distinction your or I don't have at our regular jobs.

[JO_75]

Well this just made things more interesting for AP and Greg Hardy. With Rice now back, and the fact he won his appeal makes you wonder if they will try to appeal to play. I still don't condone what he did, but the way the NFL mishandled this I'm glad he won his appeal. The NFL deserved that for everything they did wrong throughout the whole process. 

 

Just as long as Rice doesn't land within the division, or with the Patriots then I hope he has a good remaining NFL career.

[Inqui]

Well this just made things more interesting for AP and Greg Hardy. With Rice now back, and the fact he won his appeal makes you wonder if they will try to appeal to play. I still don't condone what he did, but the way the NFL mishandled this I'm glad he won his appeal. The NFL deserved that for everything they did wrong throughout the whole process. 

 

Just hope Rice doesn't land within the division, or with the Patriots then I hope he has a good remaining NFL career.

With Rice it was about getting a second penalty on top of what the league already applied. Hardy and Peterson don't have the same grounds.

[Grapple Raven]

Here is the PDF file of the actual "Summary of the Decision" in this case if you are so inclined to review it:

 

http://espn.go.com/pdf/2014/1128/141128_rice-summary.pdf

[jimmypowder]

I'm pretty sure a regular company needs to provide a reason - usually that they suck at their job or the company's looking at cutbacks (because corporate departments are usually skinflints with no sense of how a company ticks, but I'm digressing here).

An NFL contract is different in that a team doesn't need to give a reason at all, and that's why they have the distinction between guaranteed and non-guaranteed money. The same distinction your or I don't have at our regular jobs.

Don't need a reason - sorry . contracts say " fire at will"

[PoeDinkum]

This whole thing is SO frustrating that it is still difficult for me to process as a fan of the player, person, and organization. I really tip my cap to the team for being able to do their jobs to put themselves in a competitive situation at this point in the season while having to deal with this distraction this year. Thankfully at this point the remaining teams we face most likely will pass on the baggage Rice carries with him, so at least we wouldn't have to line up against him any time soon.

[Inqui]

Don't need a reason - sorry . contracts say " fire at will"

Wow, so you're right. American laws are brutal for the working man.

 

Going over the grounds for wrongful termination though, I still honestly don't see how Rice has a case. Especially in a league where players regularly get cut for less.

[GrimCoconut]

Company employees can also get fired at will . That doesn't mean they can't win a wrongful termination lawsuit . With the evidence Rice has , he will get this money .Rice,as deplorable as his actions were, was screwed by the Ravens Front office. Even though they knew he hit his wife as Ozzie admitted , they went crawling up to the Commisioner's office BEGGING for leniency . And that's what they got . They were very pleased and had no intention of even giving him separate disciplinary action . But when the tape came out VERIFYING what Rice already said was the truth , it became a political hot potato .The judge that reinstated Rice even said that Rice never lied or misconstrued the truth That equals a win on his lawsuit against the Ravens , I don't give a damn whether it's non guaranteed money Or not .

The Ravens have an image to protect and a brand to protect and can easily terminate him under those grounds in my opinion. It might not be right to terminate someone after you decided to retain them. I'm not sure it matters because that tape put a tarnish on their reputation and I believe those are grounds.

Not trying to indicate anything but are you a Ray Rice fan? I'm just curious because your opinion might not be subjective. I'm not trying to be rude, only trying to understand. Thanks

[The Raven]

Rice was not wrongfully terminated. If he didn't want to be terminated, he shouldn't have been an idiot. 

 

I agree with the decision to overturn the suspension though. Double jeopardy is dirty.

 

This is all I'll say. We've had this discussion too many times, and I'm still curious why this thread belongs in Ravens Talk. He is not a Raven.

[codizzle]

Seems Richardson or Herron is their man now. no?

Exactly why I expect them if anyone to sign rice

[jimmypowder]

The Ravens have an image to protect and a brand to protect and can easily terminate him under those grounds in my opinion. It might not be right to terminate someone after you decided to retain them. I'm not sure it matters because that tape put a tarnish on their reputation and I believe those are grounds.

Not trying to indicate anything but are you a Ray Rice fan? I'm just curious because your opinion might not be subjective. I'm not trying to be rude, only trying to understand. Thanks

What did Rice do after the 2 game suspension ? Nothing , but he did tell the truth and we threw him under the bus only

when the tape got released ? I'm not really a Ray Rice fan but I know he got screwed .

You know , you can terminate someone because they give you a nasty look but what we did to Rice was wrong .

Sorry . We were happy as hell he only got two games but when the tape was released ,what made it different .

Oh yeah ,people implying he didn't tell the complete truth or fudged the truth a little . Doesn't look like the judge

Agreed with this one iota. Too bad Goodell . Who else implied it ? Anyone from the Ravens . hmmmmm.

[poescrows]

I knew he would win . Now he will win his case against the Ravens and get the 3-4 million he was seeking .

I don't think it'll matter. The case he just won was against the NFL for " double jeopardy"; punishing him TWICE for the same offense. Since releasing him was the FIRST punishment the Ravens handed out, and I'm sure that every team's contract with vevery player has a releasement clause in it for behavior detrimental to the team, I don't know that we'd owe him anything. However, you know the NFLPA will be arguing that point for months and months to come!

[poescrows]

If I'm not mistaken, Biscotti found their fault to be that they did not cut him sooner.  I'm not an attorney, but I doubt there is any statute of limitations on when they could cut him, as long as it was prior to him returning from the original two game suspension. It would seem the surfacing of the video is irrelevant(legal wise) to the Ravens cutting him.  

I agree with where your thoughts are on this. As I've posted, his case with the NFL was easily winnable as it was double jeopardy where as the Ravens cutting him was his FIRST punishment handed down from the team.

[ravensdfan]

Company employees can also get fired at will . That doesn't mean they can't win a wrongful termination lawsuit . With the evidence Rice has , he will get this money . Rice,as deplorable as his actions were, was screwed by the Ravens Front office. Even though they knew he hit his wife as Ozzie admitted , they went crawling up to the Commisioner's office BEGGING for leniency . And that's what they got . They were very pleased and had no intention of even giving him separate disciplinary action . But when the tape came out VERIFYING what Rice already said was the truth , it became a political hot potato . The judge that reinstated Rice even said that Rice never lied or misconstrued the truth That equals a win on his lawsuit against the Ravens , I don't give a damn whether it's non guaranteed money Or not .

they can file one but unless it is a violation of Federal law or statutes, like discrimination based on race,gender,sex,religion etc they won't win one.

Rice has no such claim. He could be cut by the Ravens at any just for wearing dirty socks and they'd only owe him his guaranteed money. If they had filed with the league to recoup some of that guaranteed money and lessen their cap, he'd have a case to get that back. They did not though. I don't see any way he even has a case against the Ravens.

Else Pollard, who we cut for no reason, would have filed right away.

[Orange_Peanut]

Charlie Casserly is saying either the Colts, Cardinals or Saints might pick him up. He also said that the team will be a playoff bound team with good public standing in the community.With Irsay being involved in a DUI that likely crosses the Colts out and the Cardinals have Andre Ellington and just signed Michael Bush. That leaves us with the Saints who have clearly missed Sproles, the owner just donated $11 million to the HOF and are likely playoff bound in that disastrous division they are in.

[Militant X 1]

What did Rice do after the 2 game suspension ? Nothing , but he did tell the truth and we threw him under the bus only when the tape got released ? I'm not really a Ray Rice fan but I know he got screwed . You know , you can terminate someone because they give you a nasty look but what we did to Rice was wrong . Sorry . We were happy as hell he only got two games but when the tape was released ,what made it different . Oh yeah ,people implying he didn't tell the complete truth or fudged the truth a little . Doesn't look like the judge Agreed with this one iota. Too bad Goodell . Who else implied it ? Anyone from the Ravens . hmmmmm.

 

The basis of the running back's argument, as NFL Media's Judy Battista reported in the hearing's wake, was that the former Ravens player was subjected to double jeopardy when the league indefinitely suspended him. Rice was originally banned for two games after the video footage surfaced.

Rice believes that the NFL received no new information when the video became public -- and that Commissioner Roger Goodell knew all the details at the time of the original decision.

The Ravens released Rice on Sept. 8 after the video emerged. He also has filed a grievance against the Ravens for wrongful termination of his contract.

[gabefergy]

I can't forsee any scenario where Rice gets any money back.

[52N19]

this ends a sad chapter in ravens history. a popular productive star who committed an unexcusable act.  

[Moderator 2]

?...........

 

This is all I'll say. We've had this discussion too many times, and I'm still curious why this thread belongs in Ravens Talk. He is not a Raven.

The staff, admins and mods, discussed this and agreed only one thread in Ravens Talk because we would end up moving threads when someone wanted to start a thread to break the news.

[Grapple Raven]

As per the ESPN article cited by the OP:  "Whether Rice is entitled to back pay for game checks he missed during his suspension will be determined in a separate proceeding through the grievance filed against the Ravens by the NFLPA on behalf of Rice."

 

According to these articles in May and October 2014 respectfully, it appears that if Rice wins either one of the appeals (to which he did win the arbitration appeal we now know) it could have an effect on his appeal with the Ravens for wrongful termination since it is tied to Article 46 of the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Sources:

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/10/22/ray-rice-fights-back-against-ravens-in-wrongful-termination-grievance/

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ray-rice-files-formal-grievance-against-ravens-for-wrongful-termination-of-contract-sources-say-20141021-story.html

[JoeyFlex5]

calling it now, he goes to denver for dirt cheap and we face him in the playoffs.

[GrimCoconut]

Maybe the Chargers sign him after that 3rd and 29 lol. Him and Matthews could be a nice backfield.

[TDubbs]

The legal system ran its course and everyone deserves a second chance. Because of the nature of the incident and video, I find it hard to see a team signing Ray unfortunately. Stranger things have happened though.

 

What I want to know is if there is a way we can pursue his dead money being taken off the books. Due to the circumstance, I find it incredibly unreasonable that we should carry all that dead money against the cap. 

[Purple Punishment]

The legal system ran its course and everyone deserves a second chance. Because of the nature of the incident and video, I find it hard to see a team signing Ray unfortunately. Stranger things have happened though.

What I want to know is if there is a way we can pursue his dead money being taken off the books. Due to the circumstance, I find it incredibly unreasonable that we should carry all that dead money against the cap.

Maybe the team should've stood behind Ray instead of the knee jerk reaction to a video. Ray Lewis was on trial for double murder and the Ravens stood with him.

I think we deserve no relief in dead money for just throwing a person away like a piece of trash when he clearly needed help.

[omar586]

someone gonna grab him, he's not gonna last long as FA and cheap for vet min.

[omar586]

Maybe the team should've stood behind Ray instead of the knee jerk reaction to a video. Ray Lewis was on trial for double murder and the Ravens stood with him.

I think we deserve no relief in dead money for just throwing a person away like a piece of trash when he clearly needed help.

i agree, maybe should of did what the vikings did, he would of been breat in kubes offense.

[K-Dog]

He will be signed before Sunday.

[TDubbs]

Maybe the team should've stood behind Ray instead of the knee jerk reaction to a video. Ray Lewis was on trial for double murder and the Ravens stood with him.

I think we deserve no relief in dead money for just throwing a person away like a piece of trash when he clearly needed help.

 

I agree. However, in this age of social media the Ray Rice thing blew up like nothing like it. It was everywhere you looked, NBC/CNN etc. Definitely an unprecedented 'event' and had the Ray Lewis thing happened now it would have been different, I believe. I do believe we should have stood with him, and the knee jerk reaction was not right, but at the time seemed the only thing to do. 

 

The only reason I believe we should have relief is because the NFL grossly mishandled the situation and now it has been proven. Had the NFL reacted properly to start, he may have got 6-8 games, maybe a year. This whole mess would not have been as crazy, and he may still be on the roster. 

[tolucaraven]

I'm glad for him. He got totally screwed by the NFL and Roger. Hope he sues the NFL bigtime. He hasn't any recourse against the Ravens, they can release anyone at anytime for any reason. But Ravens wronged him, too.

[tolucaraven]

I could see the Colts needing him, and signing him.