Gholston V Mcclain

[MKdave]

Ok, so, I know we all love Jameel dearly, and most of us are pretty confident he's gonna be a stud. But Vernon Gholston was the most coveted pass rusher (except for arguably Chris Long) in last years draft. As of week 16, he has totalled 14 total tackles, and 0 sacks. Jameel McClain, our unheralded hybrid, Has 15 tackles, 2.5 sacks, and 2 safeties ( a Ravens career record and ties a single season record) and 2 blocked punts. Many of us were on the Vern Gholston bandwagon pre-draft, myself included, but he has not produced the way he was expected to (or at all, for that matter). He reportedly went to the great Lawrence Taylor for tips on rushing against NFL lineman, but it has yielded no results thus far.
But still, Take away the fact the Gholston probably earns exponentially more than McClain does, which one would you prefer on the team, (keeping in mind that most pass rushers mature in their second and third years, and that Vern is a year younger than McClain)?

[RayLew52]

McClain, he looks to be a future stud while Vernon hasn't shown enough to make me think he will be great.

[tweety]

McClain hasn't given me any reason not to thinking he is going to continue to grow and be a stud. He is bang for your buck.

[CP`C-Pain`CP]

Gotta go with Mclain on this one....

Gholston hasn't impressed me.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='MKdave' post='112630' date='Dec 26 2008, 01:59 PM']Ok, so, I know we all love Jameel dearly, and most of us are pretty confident he's gonna be a stud. But Vernon Gholston was the most coveted pass rusher (except for arguably Chris Long) in last years draft. As of week 16, he has totalled 14 total tackles, and 0 sacks. Jameel McClain, our unheralded hybrid, Has 15 tackles, 2.5 sacks, and 2 safeties ( a Ravens career record and ties a single season record) and 2 blocked punts. Many of us were on the Vern Gholston bandwagon pre-draft, myself included, but he has not produced the way he was expected to (or at all, for that matter). He reportedly went to the great Lawrence Taylor for tips on rushing against NFL lineman, but it has yielded no results thus far.
But still, Take away the fact the Gholston probably earns exponentially more than McClain does, which one would you prefer on the team, (keeping in mind that most pass rushers mature in their second and third years, and that Vern is a year younger than McClain)?[/quote]

If Rex had a guy like Vernon Gholston we'd have more sacks than the freakin Cowboys (who lead the league in sacks). Gholston is a physical monster, the Jets aren't used to dealing with talents like his and don't know how to use them properly. That being said we couldn't afford to keep a few more guys if we signed him in the 1st round. We might not have got Joe and if we did, we would have given up a ton of picks like we did with Boller in 2003. Jameel is turning out to be as much of a steal as getting Jared Gaither in the supplemental draft with a 5th round pick. How does our personnel and scouts continue to just bring in rock stars like this? Its freakin rediculous! Our rookie free agents put up better numbers than the Lions 1st and 2nd round picks for the past 12 years.

We only signed McClain to a 1 yr deal, so here's to a long term contract and more amazing defensive plays from him for years to come.

[kze]

I really like McClain... but if Gholston was on our team I think he'd develop much better and differently than he has currently.

[52Kia Kaha92]

id love to have both but if i had to pick id pick Gholston, as others have said vernon is not be used right in the jets team, they dont blitz there linebackers heaps and we do so if VG was here he would lead the NFL in sacks as we would be rushing him on every down almost, he would be great on a team like Dallas, Pittsburgh or us as those teams blitz there linebackers moire than other teams do, the jets drop him in coverage to much.

Although I am very happy with McCLain and hppe we lock him up lomg teem and see him alot more this week and next year as he is a gem that ozzie found, no surprises there

[theFRANCHISE]

Though my gut feeling says McClain from what we've seen from him thus far, it's still too early to tell. I'm not judging Gholston just yet..

For all we know, Gholston's career could turn out just like Mario Williams; everyone labeled Williams a bust because his rookie season was disappointing, but then he exploded in his sophomore season and is now living up to the hype of being a 1st overall pick.

[Canes21]

gholston is the biggest bust of the year. hes rarely even on the field and has never even come close to making a play. the jets drafting him was a high risk/ high reward situation. and it looks like they missed.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

mcclain for sure. and ozzie for that matter as well

[shaikh015]

[quote name='Canes21' post='112679' date='Dec 26 2008, 07:23 PM']gholston is the biggest bust of the year. hes rarely even on the field and has never even come close to making a play. the jets drafting him was a high risk/ high reward situation. and it looks like they missed.[/quote]
He was a real big deal in the draft....I have not heard from him since the draft....

[heapitup247]

I love jameel mcclain, but Gholston is the 6th overall pick with tons of potential. I think he would fit well in our scheme. Mario Williams had 1 or 2 sacks his rookie year, and look at him now. Jameel has had a better season and his story is truely inspiring, but im gunna take Gholstons potential over McClains.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='Canes21' post='112679' date='Dec 26 2008, 06:23 PM']gholston is the biggest bust of the year. hes rarely even on the field and has never even come close to making a play. the jets drafting him was a high risk/ high reward situation. and it looks like they missed.[/quote]


cough D-mc cough Glenn dorsey cough cough

[Ed_Reed20]

I think you can really only label a draft pick a "bust" after three or four years. However, McClain has definitely outplayed Gholston this year. Granted, I have watched more Ravens games than Jets games but McClain was the only undrafted rookie to make the team and he has basically forced his way into the defense. He and Antwan Barnes look like the future of the LB corps.

[codizzle]

[quote name='RoflDogs' post='112801' date='Dec 27 2008, 11:44 AM']cough D-mc cough Glenn dorsey cough cough[/quote]
lol funny but d-mc has definitly shown a lot of potential as much as you could prolly show in oak

[RavensFanMvp]

[quote name='codizzle' post='112811' date='Dec 27 2008, 01:32 PM']lol funny but d-mc has definitly shown a lot of potential as much as you could prolly show in oak[/quote]
For some odd reason, the jets aren't giving Vernon that much playing time. And when they do have him in he game they have him drop back in coverage and defend the pass. If he was with the ravens, Rex would utilize his pass rushing skills and let him run wild. But i think McClain , was the better choice. He cost less, and he can do the same things on the field as Gholston. McClain might not be as physically gifted as Vernon, but he's still is a beast and he's probably going to be a huge part of the defense next season if the team decides to let Suggs, Scott, and Jarrett Johnson go, which is probably going to happen.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensFanMvp' post='112830' date='Dec 27 2008, 02:31 PM']For some odd reason, the jets aren't giving Vernon that much playing time. And when they do have him in he game they have him drop back in coverage and defend the pass. If he was with the ravens, Rex would utilize his pass rushing skills and let him run wild. But i think McClain , was the better choice. He cost less, and he can do the same things on the field as Gholston. McClain might not be as physically gifted as Vernon, but he's still is a beast and he's probably going to be a huge part of the defense next season if the team decides to let Suggs, Scott, and Jarrett Johnson go, which is probably going to happen.[/quote]

I agree with the last part. I don't know about J.J. but it's going to be very tough for the team to keep Ray, Suggs and Scott. One of them will leave which will open up a spot for either Gooden, McClain, Prescott Burgess, or Antwan Barnes.

[RavensIQ]

I went with with Gholston. Maybe we could have had them both? But it's too early to label Gholston a bust. A linebacker of his caliber with his skill and physical attributes would blow up in our system. I'll go as far as saying he would have reached the Pro Bowl this year if he played for the Ravens. The Jets are a D-line type of Defense, they don't know what to with talented linebackers (they shipped Vilma off and traded Abraham). When you have a guy like Gholston on your team it falls on the coaches to mold him into a dominant player. I think Gholston's lack of success says a lot about the Jets coaching staff. LT is a great guy to get tips from but Ray Lewis hands down is a greater mentor. He would have done wonders with Gholston. Vernon would have came here and replaced Suggs and a year from now we'd all be talking about how amazing Ozzie Newsome is for finding Adalius Thomas, Terrel Suggs, and Vernon Gholston.

That being said I still think Jameel is gonna be a beast once he finds himself in the starting lineup. We are lucky to have him on our team.

[MKdave]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='112844' date='Dec 27 2008, 08:41 PM']LT is a great guy to get tips from but Ray Lewis hands down is a greater mentor. He would have done wonders with Gholston.[/quote]

I think that's probably true for a middle linebacker, but LT basically made the position that Vernon plays, I don't think Gholston could have gone to anyone better, and I think it shows maturity that he understands that he can't do it all on his own.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='codizzle' post='112811' date='Dec 27 2008, 01:32 PM']lol funny but d-mc has definitly shown a lot of potential as much as you could prolly show in oak[/quote]


Yeah, he did, against Kansas City

[STL Raven]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='112673' date='Dec 26 2008, 04:29 PM']For all we know, Gholston's career could turn out just like Mario Williams; everyone labeled Williams a bust because his rookie season was disappointing, but then he exploded in his sophomore season and is now living up to the hype of being a 1st overall pick.[/quote]
At the time, the Texans front office looked awfully stupid to nearly everyone in the football universe for passing on Reggie, but I'm sure if everyone knew then what they know now, the pick wouldn't be an issue.

Mario Williams is a stud.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='MKdave' post='112847' date='Dec 27 2008, 04:01 PM']I think that's probably true for a middle linebacker, but LT basically made the position that Vernon plays, I don't think Gholston could have gone to anyone better, and I think it shows maturity that he understands that he can't do it all on his own.[/quote]

True. LT is the godfather of the OLBs but from a football aspect not a position aspect I think Ray could have taught Vernon a hell of a lot which I know you'll agree 100%. LT and Ray are up their in the greatest of all time category but Ray stands apart from LT as a student of the game and a slave to the film. His knowledge of football in general I think would better suite a rookie LB at any position rather then just a couple one on one strategy sessions from the greatest player to have ever played that role. Don't get me wrong any advice from LT is gift of gold but Ray Lewis brings it to another level IMO. Plus LT wouldn't be on the field pumping Gholston up. Ray would be there in film sessions, practice, workouts, in games next to him on the field every play, and he would set a standard of intensity that every Raven player would have to meet every single snap. Name one Jets player that can match that? No 1 on the Jets can bring the best out of someone like Ray Lewis can.

[homes500]

its jameer mcclain he has a great future for the team goldston I dont hear about him alot