Jimmy Smith done for the season

[stampedehero]

I'm honestly not as doom and gloom as I was when I first heard the news. Sure, it doesn't look good, but we can still win this division.

 

The Bengals still have 3 more division games. They could trade losses with the Steelers and lose again to the Browns on the road. Plus they play @ Saints next week.

 

The Steelers still play the Bengals twice, and the Steelers lose to bad teams all of the time as it is. Plus they have to play the Chiefs who are decent.

 

The Browns are a team that I honestly can't take seriously until the season is over and they're the winners. 

 

 

If our offense takes care of the ball, they can win us games despite our secondary. Our pass rush will help mask the terrible secondary a little bit too, plus the defense still stops the run well. We just have to win our games, that's all we can do.

No drama for you.  Its all logic.  There are a few of us that hate to give up..  Perhaps we could use the Browns win as inspiration for the Titans game as they beat Cincy by 21 amid an emotional Cincy event.   

[HoldingCall]

I'm sure they'll get right on that...

lol, lets hope so. It's going to be interesting watching how the season unfolds and how much fight the team has in it.

[757RavensFan]

Time to get on the phone with Nnamdi and Chris Gamble. Ozzie, do somethjng damnit!

This season is going to be a wash.....unless these moves work out

 

Didn't he retire?

[757RavensFan]

Lets trade for Leon Sandcastle.  http://www.nfl.com/sandcastle

[rmcjacket23]

Cut Suggs to. He isn't worth the money we're paying him. Another screw up by Ozzie Newsome, overpaying for players passed their prime. Of course to everyone, Ozzie's the greatest ever.  He has had more failures then successes in recent years. Mosley is good but Brooks is another bust.

Ironically, if you were to cut Suggs (which of course isn't realistic), you wouldn't be able to afford to sign ANY of the players he listed.

 

Cutting Suggs more than doubles his salary cap impact from 2015.

 

All of this is moot though, because its not going to happen. Suggs is paid frankly sort of low compared to what other pass rushers at his age in the industry make, and his cap number is far from prohibitive. The only people that want him cut are the people who don't understand this concept. That's not a Ravens problem. Thats a FAN problem.

[1/28/01]

Ironically, if you were to cut Suggs (which of course isn't realistic), you wouldn't be able to afford to sign ANY of the players he listed.

Cutting Suggs more than doubles his salary cap impact from 2015.

All of this is moot though, because its not going to happen. Suggs is paid frankly sort of low compared to what other pass rushers at his age in the industry make, and his cap number is far from prohibitive. The only people that want him cut are the people who don't understand this concept. That's not a Ravens problem. Thats a FAN problem.

Holy goodness...I agree with you!

[tolucaraven]

Smith matured as a player. Great size and length. He is a top corner in the NFL.. in the Peterson, Sherman class you cant replace that. Probably the most important player on the whole team outside of Qb. Ravens were number 1 in total defense before he got hurt, now two straight losses giving up about 70 points.

[Sami84]

sign tony allen from the grizzlies lol

[Inqui]

I still think we can make the playoffs, and I'm still rooting for wins every week and for other results to go our way.

 

From Jimmy's end, I really hope it's not a serious thing long-term. It sounds like he's doing the best thing for his health, and it'll be good to have him back next season with less strain on his foot from the injury.

[codizzle]

sign tony allen from the grizzlies lol

Man you simply cannot get post of the month praise but my god are you ever in consideration after this post

+35

[The Raven]

Jimmy Smith IR'd, Ravens sign Rashaan Melvin. He's 6'2, 190.

[DomMcRaven]

Here's a BOLD statement: our secondary slightly IMPROVES the pass defense. Neg me all you want. I'm trying to think positive about the team. Once I'm dead wrong, I'm hopping on the first train to Negativity City (LOL!)

[jazz1988]

Jimmy Smith IR'd, Ravens sign Rashaan Melvin. He's 6'2, 190.

 

I like his size and he was impressive for The Buccs during training camp/preaseason

[rmw10]

Jimmy Smith IR'd, Ravens sign Rashaan Melvin. He's 6'2, 190.

 

Further proof that we and all the other teams believe that the FA market is bare.

[RaineV1]

Here's a BOLD statement: our secondary slightly IMPROVES the pass defense. Neg me all you want. I'm trying to think positive about the team. Once I'm dead wrong, I'm hopping on the first train to Negativity City (LOL!)

I actually agree with this. The guys we have now might be untested but they sound confident and like they badly want the chance to earn a regular job in the NFL. Not saying they're going to be great but they at least have some fire in them and might be more competitive.

[K-Dog]

After all, much of our secondary was one step from unemployment a week ago.

I expect to see some guys fighting for their careers tomorrow.

[gabefergy]

Here's a BOLD statement: our secondary slightly IMPROVES the pass defense. Neg me all you want. I'm trying to think positive about the team. Once I'm dead wrong, I'm hopping on the first train to Negativity City (LOL!)

Our secondary won't be better without Jimmy Smith, but it likely will be better without Chykie Brown and Dominique Franks.

[BBoogieMan]

I'm sorry but this us complete bs and you don't know what you're talking about. This is his first major injury. Every player gets hurt. Get real.

2011 Rookie season, first play...high ankle injury 4 weeks (5 weeks)

2012 Sports hernia surgery, 4 weeks

2014 foot 8 weeks

 

He's only played 1 full season, last year. I'd say that significant missed time especially going under the knife, twice. You can disagree but for me that's a concern come contract time coming off a season-ending injury along with the fact that he can't tackle! He's not elite (yet...abbreviated sample-size) or a pro-bowler (perhaps) and to keep him, Oz shouldn't break the bank. Moreover, Oz may be apprehensive considering Pitta's injury-big contract-injury dynamic. And every player doesn't get hurt like that in their first 3.5 seasons. 

[GrimCoconut]

2011 Rookie season, first play...high ankle injury 4 weeks (5 weeks)

2012 Sports hernia surgery, 4 weeks

2014 foot 8 weeks

He's only played 1 full season, last year. I'd say that significant missed time especially going under the knife, twice. You can disagree but for me that's a concern come contract time coming off a season-ending injury along with the fact that he can't tackle! He's not elite (yet...abbreviated sample-size) or a pro-bowler (perhaps) and to keep him, Oz shouldn't break the bank. Moreover, Oz may be apprehensive considering Pitta's injury-big contract-injury dynamic. And every player doesn't get hurt like that in their first 3.5 seasons.

Lol he can tackle. He disengages just fine off of blocks and makes tackles. As for the injuries, it's a bit unfair to use his rookie and sophomore seasons because:

1.) We don't start rookies very often and like to ease them into action.

2.) He had Williams, Graham and Webb starting above him.

I just think your analysis is wrong. This is his first major injury. And duh he had surgery twice...He had a freaking sports hernia. That's the only way to repair that and it's genetic and isn't something that typically recurs. He hasn't even had the same injury to the same body part. That would be more indicative of being injury prone.

[mgridda]

2011 Rookie season, first play...high ankle injury 4 weeks (5 weeks)

2012 Sports hernia surgery, 4 weeks

2014 foot 8 weeks

 

He's only played 1 full season, last year. I'd say that significant missed time especially going under the knife, twice. You can disagree but for me that's a concern come contract time coming off a season-ending injury along with the fact that he can't tackle! He's not elite (yet...abbreviated sample-size) or a pro-bowler (perhaps) and to keep him, Oz shouldn't break the bank. Moreover, Oz may be apprehensive considering Pitta's injury-big contract-injury dynamic. And every player doesn't get hurt like that in their first 3.5 seasons. 

 

Read this segment of this article, and maybe you'll change your mind: This article is by PFF about who the best 3 cornerbacks were, as of week 6, this year:

 

source: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/10/15/analysis-notebook-week-6-3/

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Jimmy Smith

Though he was drafted in the first round by the Ravens back in 2011, Jimmy Smith has never quite lived up to that billing, until this season. He always looked like a player long on talent, but that wasn’t translating to the field consistently. He had ups and downs, but coming into this season his career coverage grade at PFF was just -1.4, not a disastrous figure, but not enough to justify his draft position. With Patrick Peterson and Richard Sherman also coming in that 2011 Draft, Smith had always been in the shadows of that draft class.

This season though we are seeing the realization of all of that talent. Through six games his coverage grade is already +6.2, and he has graded positively in five of his six games, with a nondescript -0.3 being the only minor blemish. Smith has allowed a passer rating of just 50.5 when targeted and on the 18 passes he has allowed to be caught he has given up just 135 yards, an average of just 7.5.

With that kind of ability to limit receivers on the underneath stuff you would think Smith would be vulnerable to the occasional deep lapse, being caught too eager to jump on the first move or just not respecting the deep threat enough, but that hasn’t been the case.

He hasn’t been beaten for a catch longer than 24 yards and has yet to give up a touchdown score.

Check this play from back against Andy Dalton and the Cincinnati Bengals:

 

Smith had the deep sideline against the vertical threat of the outside receiver Brandon Tate. He was playing off coverage and reading the quarterback and all too often you will see a corner just lapse in his responsibility here and not get enough depth to stay over the top of the route. There is the slightest hint of this happening when Smith has to decide to come out of his pedal, turn and run with Tait. Once he does though he plays it perfectly, squeezing the route to the sideline, reducing the window for the throw and then breaking it up at its highest point.

This is textbook deep coverage and I highlight it specifically because his numbers are so impressive on the underneath

 

stuff. Smith isn’t just playing aggressive coverage, but complete football at a very high level."

[RaineV1]

Even though the secondary will be hurting without Smith, I do think that it can be alright if Brooks and Hillis can keep being enforcers like they were in that Titans game. It'll really take the pressure off of Gorrier, Webb, and the other corners.

[rmw10]

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun  6m6 minutes ago

Jimmy Smith confirmed that he has a Lisfranc injury. Said it's a 6-month injury.

[MTRavensFan]

well, that sucks. after they specifically said it wasn't in the beginning.

[rmw10]

well, that sucks. after they specifically said it wasn't in the beginning.

 

Yep.  Never trust Harbaugh with injury-related news.  He's a liar lol

[52520Andrew]

Ouch that is bad

[GrimCoconut]

Wow and they said it was a simple ligament. That really sucks. I'm not sure why they would say otherwise when he was already done for the year. Makes very little sense.

[MTRavensFan]

Yep.  Never trust Harbaugh with injury-related news.  He's a liar lol

yeah, but I think he made it pretty clear after that fine for not putting Ed Reed on the report, that from now on the injury report was garbage. If we continue to take it seriously, that's just us being stupid.

[berad]

Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider  ·  19m 19 minutes ago

jimmy smith said he was surprised he had to have surgery said he thought foot injury was minor at first

[GrimCoconut]

I love Jimmy but I wouldn't extend him until he proves he's fine after this injury. I don't think it's that serious, even though this type of injury can be serious. Still, we can't take any more bad contacts. I'd rather risk it and have to really pay Smith than pay him and he isn't the same player.

[MTRavensFan]

Wow and they said it was a simple ligament. That really sucks. I'm not sure why they would say otherwise when he was already done for the year. Makes very little sense.

I think the denial came in the very beginning, not after the surgery.

 

According to Wiki, Lisfranc cannot be picked up on Xray between 15 (weight-bearing) and 50% (non-WB) of the time. Only more advanced imaging can pick it up. Kind of makes sense, if they didn't do a CT or MRI in the beginning, then it wasn't getting better after a few weeks, so they decided to MRI it, then announced he was needing surgery and out for the season.

So Harbs and Jimmy were releasing info as they got it from the docs, not misleading anybody.

 

Anyway, that's how it would go out here in our puny under-funded rural ER. I'd think for a pro athlete, they'd do advanced imaging right away, but you would know better than me how they'd handle that in Bmore.