Where we can find that playmaking #1 Receiver

[jazz1988]

Joe's reached his peak, he's done developing.

 

History has proven before  quarterbacks tend to have their best years at times in their 30"s.  I think there still alot more room for Flacco can improve on and hopefully Gary Kubiak can help him get there.

[ravefan52]

Joe's reached his peak, he's done developing.

wasn't talking about Joe

[Greatness]

By trading up (AND FINALLY TAKING A CHANCE) and getting these ballin' out WR's in the draft.

 

1) Dez

2) Julio

3) Watkins

 

We just gotta go deep one year in the draft and go for a HR. Yes, right player and price has worked to some degree over the last few years, but we need a 'sho nuff' go getter. We had legit shots to snag 1 of the 3 I mentioned here, but we stand idly by hoping our 14 draft/Comp picks pan out.

[rmcjacket23]

By trading up (AND FINALLY TAKING A CHANCE) and getting these ballin' out WR's in the draft.

 

1) Dez

2) Julio

3) Watkins

 

We just gotta go deep one year in the draft and go for a HR. Yes, right player and price has worked to some degree over the last few years, but we need a 'sho nuff' go getter. We had legit shots to snag 1 of the 3 I mentioned here, but we stand idly by hoping our 14 draft/Comp picks pan out.

Can you lay out for me the success of those franchises since they made those decisions (particularly Dez and Julio)?

[The Mom Gene]

Joe's reached his peak, he's done developing.

So, what's Tony Romo then.....  Just curious... He's got Dez...  The Boys aren't letting that guy go,

[The Mom Gene]

By trading up (AND FINALLY TAKING A CHANCE) and getting these ballin' out WR's in the draft.

 

1) Dez

2) Julio

3) Watkins

 

We just gotta go deep one year in the draft and go for a HR. Yes, right player and price has worked to some degree over the last few years, but we need a 'sho nuff' go getter. We had legit shots to snag 1 of the 3 I mentioned here, but we stand idly by hoping our 14 draft/Comp picks pan out.

You guys gotta be dreamin......  There ain't No way any of these teams are letting these guys go.... 

[BmoreBird22]

What disturbs me is we could have had dez byrant or thomas from the broncos.  The cowboys and broncos both traded up right in front of us to get those two players. The draft was strong last year at the wr position, but not this year because all the good jr's declared for that last draft.

Rob Gronkowski was seen as a very likely target for the Ravens, but they traded back

[Static]

We wanted Hernandez too. lol

[BmoreBird22]

To be honest this whole front office approach is getting boring.....we need to take risks and go get someone who can help this offense and be dynamic.....we should of stayed put in that draft when we had a chance to get dez.....but noooooo....we trade back for draft picks who aint even on this team....f stacking up draft picks if you are not using them to go get top tier players.....i say we get cooper....he like julio 2.0 or parker who ate all day on FSU

The Ravens wanted Dez and were excited as he fell, if I remember correctly, but the Cowboys traded up one pick in front of them

[BmoreBird22]

Can you lay out for me the success of those franchises since they made those decisions (particularly Dez and Julio)?

In all fairness, the Cowboys only gave up a third and got a fourth. Trading up for Dez has paid big dividends for their passing offense. It's just that having Jerry as far GM, who does the opposite of Ozzie, it seems, hasn't really helped them build a well rounded team

[Torreysmithforthewin]

So, what's Tony Romo then.....  Just curious... He's got Dez...  The Boys aren't letting that guy go,

Romo is a great QB, better than Joe Imo. They have many weapons over there, but I agree, I doubt they let Dez walk.

[uhhhh]

Your tripping on the Mark Clayton talk. Clayton was looking like a decent receiver with Flacco for a little bit there, and then he dropped that huge catch against the Patriots and lost all of his confidence. He then signed with another team after us, the Rams mabye? Either way, where is he now. 

 

If that situation was something like Golden Tate's where he left the team and became a beast, it would be a discussion, but your not proving any points bringing up Mark Clayton...

 

Mark Clayton was on pace for 1200 yards with the Rams his first year, till he wrecked his knee and had to retire the year after. He was doing a lot better with them then here

[hn68wb4]

I don't care if you got negged.  The part I bolded in your post is 100% legit.  Flacco indeed works best with Vet WR.  I'd rather draft a playmaking running back over a playmaking WR

i kind of don't care that you both got negged, i somewhat agree (not that Flacco doesn't have the ability to develop WRs, i don't agree with that, other than Torrey what high draft pick WRs has he gotten, i guess you could throw in Doss but i hardly think 4th round is a high pick) that i would rather take a play making running back and sign a vet WR, not one that would break the bank but a good reliable guy would be big. But i am sort of an old school run first offense type of guy, we've tried to be a pass first offense and it just simply hasn't worked, Flacco isn't that type of guy, he needs a strong running game to be good and make good decisions. Although i have to say I would love to grab Jaelen Strong in the coming draft, i love the kid, but i definitely would not complain if Ozzy got Gordon or Gurley (please no Yeldon)

[GrimCoconut]

I've read some interesting comments here and I'd like to add my input.

There's a lot of talk about Joe connecting with veteran WR and not being as effective with rookies. I'm just not sure that's true. It's one of those moments where I think perception is misguided. Joe made Marlon Brown look good, has made Kamar Aiken look good, and did good things with Torrey at a point. Just because those guys aren't doing well at the moment doesn't mean that he's at fault.

With that said, Joe likes certain qualities from his WR. He wants a WR who can run routes and who's on the same page, someone with some size who will fight for the ball, and someone with some hands. Joe wants trust more than anything, which is probably why he likes those veteran guys but I doubt he would not connect with others just because those guys are vets. I think that's a poor perception. Look at Gillmore, who's seen his fair share of receptions recently.

I think you get a guy like Strong, White, Cooper or even Greene or Diggs and you'll see Joe feed them the ball.

[Inqui]

Where do we find that playmaking WR1, you ask? We find him at Florida State University, where he wears the number 80.

[GrimCoconut]

Where do we find that playmaking WR1, you ask? We find him at Florida State University, where he wears the number 80.

I really like Greene. My only concern is his size and frame, which could cause him to become injured in the NFL. He's had some injuries in college so that's my biggest question mark on him.

[allballs]

our receivers are fine. torrey, i do wish he had a lil more fight in him, and i wish he could run routes, but he's not that kinda receiver, but will steve opposite, put jacoby in the slot, put daniel up slot, 4 wide staggered set man, our o should be clicking. why not, the prob is that dadgummit quarterback. he's a 8-8 quarterback. our d can win 2 to 4 games. that's how we stayed in the playoffs 5 straight season including a champ, but ray left, and we exited too. joe scared man. some people can play, some love to play, some could play everyday, but joe just seems like he takes about 8 sundays off. if we can win out, we can beat anybody in january. and we will, endind up beating detroit in arizona!!

[TDubbs]

With that said, Joe likes certain qualities from his WR. He wants a WR who can run routes and who's on the same page, someone with some size who will fight for the ball, and someone with some hands. Joe wants trust more than anything, which is probably why he likes those veteran guys but I doubt he would not connect with others just because those guys are vets. I think that's a poor perception. Look at Gillmore, who's seen his fair share of receptions recently.

 

Hit the nail on the head. The word is, trust. A QB needs to trust his WR will run the right route, get the correct depth and fight for and catch the ball. If you don't have that, the QB will wait that extra moment to see more of an opening, rather than trying to throw the WR open. 

 

Just as an example, on a comeback route is the WR going to take it 17 deep and comeback to 15, or take it 15 deep and comeback. These nuances hold true for every route and when a QB has 100% confidence in his WR you get Flacco to Anquan in the SB run. 

[Greatness]

Can you lay out for me the success of those franchises since they made those decisions (particularly Dez and Julio)?

That's my point. They don't have a QB like Joe who can get them the ball. He take shots and still can bomb it 70 yards to guys who can get off the press and get open consistently.

 

You guys gotta be dreamin......  There ain't No way any of these teams are letting these guys go.... 

Of course we can't get these guys. We can't even afford these guys. I'm saying we should be taking a chance in the draft for once since every year we're trading down and gaining 50 picks that don't pan out to be more than stop gaps and role players for a year or two.

[Maryland]

By trading up (AND FINALLY TAKING A CHANCE) and getting these ballin' out WR's in the draft.

 

1) Dez

2) Julio

3) Watkins

 

We just gotta go deep one year in the draft and go for a HR. Yes, right player and price has worked to some degree over the last few years, but we need a 'sho nuff' go getter. We had legit shots to snag 1 of the 3 I mentioned here, but we stand idly by hoping our 14 draft/Comp picks pan out.

Trading a slew of picks is a bad idea unless you're drafting a franchise QB or sacrificing the future for an all-out SB bid. It creates tons of holes in your roster down the line, as can be seen with the Cowboys' defense after moving up for Claiborne (yes, the Cowboys defense is still bad. 3rd highest 6 yards per play surrendered) and the Falcons entire roster after trading 5 picks for Julio. It almost worked for the Falcons; they were a play away from having the honor of losing to the Ravens in the SB, but then their lack of depth came to ruin them in the coming years. They're starting UDFAs on their O-line and on defense because they have no depth. No one player can replace the impact of 5 solid players, especially when he's constantly injured as Julio was. The Falcons basically had 5 draft picks sitting on IR when Julio broke his foot. Depth is more important than 1 elite receiver.

 

I'm all for moving up a little if there is a player who can help at a position of need (see the Ngata trade), but not if it means giving away 2 firsts, 1 second, and 2 fourth round picks as the Falcons did for Julio. We have too many needs. 

 

-Suppose we trade 2 firsts, a second, and 2 fourths for Amari Cooper (who is supposedly the next Julio), we will still have a glaring need at CB, and other depth positions to fill at TE, RB, and whatever positions we may suddenly need after cap casualties take effect. There are going to be plenty of other good WRs in this draft anyway. 

[Tru11]

tank the season probaly your best bet.

[rmcjacket23]

That's my point. They don't have a QB like Joe who can get them the ball. He take shots and still can bomb it 70 yards to guys who can get off the press and get open consistently.

 

Of course we can't get these guys. We can't even afford these guys. I'm saying we should be taking a chance in the draft for once since every year we're trading down and gaining 50 picks that don't pan out to be more than stop gaps and role players for a year or two.

Those guys have Romo and Ryan, who I consider to be on-par in the regular season with a guy like Flacco. There's not a ton of difference between those QBs and Flacco in my opinion.

 

Not like those guys are playing with Brian Hoyer every year...

[Ravenslifer]

The Ravens wanted Dez and were excited as he fell, if I remember correctly, but the Cowboys traded up one pick in front of them

 

The only reason WE didn't trade up for Dez in 2010 is we'd already given up a 3rd and 4th rounder for Q and lost the 7th rounder in a 2009 with Tampa Bay, giving us just a first, second, 5th, and 6th in that draft - if we had more than those 4, I'm certain the FO would have been okay with giving up a mid-round pick for Dez.  I think if a similar thing happens this year, we'd trade up for the receiver.

[jdynamite]

How many particularly good receivers have the Ravens drafted during Flacco's run? The only ones of note are Torrey and Camp (who was building chemistry was Flacco in that Bengal's game). Meanwhile, we've had Boldin and Steve Smith as the big free agent receivers the Ravens have brought in. Not exactly a fair comparison.

The key words were " drafted" & "good". They have drafted a number of WRs. Torrey, T.Doss, T.Streeter, D.Reed, m.Smith , Harper, Mellette, Campanaro. Undrafted Free agents - Marlon Brown, L.Williams, Aiken , D.Thompson.

Now campanaro caught some passes looked Nice in a few games. But I can say that for Doss, L.Williams, D.Reed also. Marlon brown looked really good last year and now has disappeared.

Ideally a FA WR would be a decent investment. Mason was a FA WR although he was on the team when Flacco arrived. He is also a veteran that Flacco worked well with.

Boldin and S.Smith. K.Washington had 1 decent year with us, J.Jones looks bad now but had 2 good years.

For whatever reason we haven't developed any of these WRs. Some teams manage to find a diamond in the rough with middle to late round draft picks.

[757RavensFan]

Are any of the Bears' receivers available this offseason? I know they have to be frustrated with what's going on in Chicago right now.   Brandon Marshall or Alshon Jeffery would be a great addition!

[redlobster]

Are any of the Bears' receivers available this offseason? I know they have to be frustrated with what's going on in Chicago right now.   Brandon Marshall or Alshon Jeffery would be a great addition!

Jeffery is a free agent after the 2015 season and carries a cap number of just over 1 million next year. Marshall has a cap number of almost 10 million next year. I don't think either are going anywhere.

[757RavensFan]

Jeffery is a free agent after the 2015 season and carries a cap number of just over 1 million next year. Marshall has a cap number of almost 10 million next year. I don't think either are going anywhere.

 

 

Interesting.  He may take more money to go to a contender.

[mgridda]

We could have drafted both Marshall and Jeffery. We grabbed Demetrius Williams about nine picks before Brandon Marshall was selected, and we picked up Courtney Upshaw about 10 picks before Alshon Jeffery was taken by the Bears. 

 

I like Upshaw and everything, but I'd trade him for Jeffery. McPhee, Suggs and Dumervil are holding it down swimmingly.

[lgcs27288]

Cowboys have to ante up money for both Murray and Bryant. It's very possible they lose one.  

[PoeDinkum]

Romo is a great QB, better than Joe Imo. They have many weapons over there, but I agree, I doubt they let Dez walk.

I used to think something along those lines too, and debated this very thing among friends, but in the end I wouldn't trade Joe's postseason success for Romo's regular season stats...especially after Joe has notched himself a SB victory.