What exactly we're missing

[rmcjacket23]

That's all they need. Having two of the greatest people in football means a lot.

Well, needless to say, they need more than that. Perhaps if they had more, they'd actually have won a Lombardi or two in the last decade, since they've had so many opportunities to do so.

[Drew P]

It's not just Brady and Gronk but  The Patriots  coaches overall do a great job at ultizing the talent they have even on defense. I feel quite confident that Torrey Smith would be playing great in a Patriots offense because they truly know how to  adapt their offense to the player talent/skill. 

 

  They don't try to make a player be something he's not if he's not at that level yet especially  in their offense. Randy Moss wasn't running  Wes Welker type routes when he was with The Patriots and he was one the best one trick pony receiver in the league. Sometimes  it's not about getting  impact players but it's all about using what you got creatively and understanding  when it's time to adapt .

 

The Steelers didn't beat us on sunday because we didn't have impact players its because they actually adapted to what our offense and defense  was give them and  succeed because we didn't do the same,

 

Turnovers and being ineffective on third down dont help matters either. Ever notice on third and embarrassing the Ravens always struggle to get the play and the personnel on the field in an effective and efficient manner? Flacco lumbers under center the clock ticks down 3-2-1 and wham they snap the ball with 0 ticks left and there are 4 defenders in the backfield and ZO is stacked up for a loss of 3 yards..  Brady and Manning dont allow that garbage. They hustle,they dont allow the D to make adjustments and dig their heels in..they dictate the outcome by going go 4 or 5 wide spread them out create some options...Different QB's i got it but third down conversions are an area where they have tremendous amount of opportunity to improve upon and i think it was the difference in 3 of the losses..

[allballs]

a fighting football loving quarterback

a free safety

a dedication to run the ball, (not after paying flacco they gon throw it)

ray lewis ed reed

a 4 - 3 defense

fair scheduling ,

a la, we've played 5 division games already. nobody else has. all our road games are vs 'tuff oponents' : at indy at saints at miami at houston and so on, i see this every year and we always have to travel to the 'winning' teams, where pit has them at home. our superbowl year, man we had to go to denver our first game. the champs man. the nfl still hates that we won a superbowl after only 5 seasons and we did it 'ugly style' compared to what they 'want'. it's never pretty for us. we will never look like denver, new england, etc etc. thats why they wouldnt let T.O come . T.O., jamal lewis, air mcnair shoulda won a least 3 straight. i mean, what hap when air mcnair came, 13-3 baby, number 1 seed, put owens on that team, and that d.  the league don't like us. did you see the calls vs pit. did see them turn the lights off at the superbowl. we were bout to blow out 49ers. but they slowed us down, and it almost cost the game.

[rmcjacket23]

a fighting football loving quarterback

a free safety

a dedication to run the ball, (not after paying flacco they gon throw it)

ray lewis ed reed

a 4 - 3 defense

fair scheduling ,

a la, we've played 5 division games already. nobody else has. all our road games are vs 'tuff oponents' : at indy at saints at miami at houston and so on, i see this every year and we always have to travel to the 'winning' teams, where pit has them at home. our superbowl year, man we had to go to denver our first game. the champs man. the nfl still hates that we won a superbowl after only 5 seasons and we did it 'ugly style' compared to what they 'want'. it's never pretty for us. we will never look like denver, new england, etc etc. thats why they wouldnt let T.O come . T.O., jamal lewis, air mcnair shoulda won a least 3 straight. i mean, what hap when air mcnair came, 13-3 baby, number 1 seed, put owens on that team, and that d.  the league don't like us. did you see the calls vs pit. did see them turn the lights off at the superbowl. we were bout to blow out 49ers. but they slowed us down, and it almost cost the game.

The scheduling argument doesn't work, because the NFL doesn't pick your schedule of opponents OR where they are played. Those are part of a rotation and is set years in advance. I could provide 14 of the 16 games on the Ravens schedule, and location of those games, for the 2020 season right now, and so can anybody else that understands scheduling.

 

For example, the 2015 Ravens schedule will look something like this:

 

Home: Bengals, Browns, Steelers, Seahawks, Rams, Chiefs, Chargers

Road: Bengals, Browns, Steelers, 49ers, Cardinals, Broncos, Raiders

 

The remaining two games will be against AFC teams, one from the AFC South and one from the AFC East, based on where we finish in our divison. If the season ended today, we would play Jaguars and Jets, with one being at home and one being on the road.

 

The ONLY thing the NFL has determination over is the date those games are played and what time of day they are played. I guess theoretically you could argue that the NFL somehow rigs teams schedules to give them more difficult stretches of games, but thats unrealistic in my opinion, because the NFL can't guarantee that a team is good again the following season.

[ravensnick]

a fighting football loving quarterback

a free safety

a dedication to run the ball, (not after paying flacco they gon throw it)

ray lewis ed reed

a 4 - 3 defense

fair scheduling ,

a la, we've played 5 division games already. nobody else has. all our road games are vs 'tuff oponents' : at indy at saints at miami at houston and so on, i see this every year and we always have to travel to the 'winning' teams, where pit has them at home. our superbowl year, man we had to go to denver our first game. the champs man. the nfl still hates that we won a superbowl after only 5 seasons and we did it 'ugly style' compared to what they 'want'. it's never pretty for us. we will never look like denver, new england, etc etc. thats why they wouldnt let T.O come . T.O., jamal lewis, air mcnair shoulda won a least 3 straight. i mean, what hap when air mcnair came, 13-3 baby, number 1 seed, put owens on that team, and that d.  the league don't like us. did you see the calls vs pit. did see them turn the lights off at the superbowl. we were bout to blow out 49ers. but they slowed us down, and it almost cost the game.

Joe is one if not the most tough qbs in all of football. Joe may not look like, but he is definetly as passion or more passion than guys like Rivers that you see freakin out all over the sideline.

 

I'll agree we don't a a FS as off now, but Hill should take the job and run away with it soon. 

 

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are long gone. And I hate to break it to you, but Mosely and D. Smith have been playing far superior to what he was the last 3-4 years of his career.

 

Our 3-4 works perfectly. There is absolutely not reason to runa 4-3, nor do we have the player designed for that.

 

T.O. didn't want to come to Baltimore.

[Dewy101]

A receiver would definitely help, but stopping the opponent from scoring 43 points would too.

[ravensdfan]

TOP 2 YAC in kubiak scheme in HOU.

 

2009 AJ 532 and slaton 451 yards

2010  Foster 613 Yards and AJ 328 yards

2011 foster 635 yards and Daniels 302 yards

2012  AJ 552 yards and daniels 328 yards

2013 AJ 412 yards and  Graham 216 yards

2014 s.smith 499 and forsett 297 projected

 

You sure its on the players and not the scheme ?

 

Keep in mind AJ was a rare breed of WR in his prime and Foster isent a slouch either.

 

You forget about the "get the ball" part. It isn't about YAC, Flacco can throw the ball with good accuracy at crazy distance. It is about receivers who can run those timing routes consistently (none, even Smith Sr botches 2 or 3 a game) fight for contested balls (Smith Sr. that's it) and can track a ball.

 

Kubiak's system is all about being able to do that quick release on the hot read - you can't do that when your receivers are never where they should be.

 

We don't need an AJ Green. We just need better than sub par - an above average group will do fine.

[ravens533]

The thing we are missing most this year is not a great receiver though that would be nice to have. What we need this year is for someone to light a fire under our secondary so that they quit giving up the big plays. It is hard to have to keep out scoring your opponent when you get a lead only to lose it the next possession because a safety or corner does not do his job. If our secondary would even play slightly above mediocre we would have a fighting chance. Our receivers are not that bad. Gilmore is learning. The others are still having some problems with being pushed around. That is technique and all of them are working on that with improvements in all of them. People are saying that we need impact players. Just how many impact players does a team need? We have Joe, Forsett, Steve Smith Sr., Yanda, KO on offense (not counting Torrey due to his slow start); Sugggs, CJ, McPhee, Ngata, Courtney Upshaw, Brandon Williams, Jimmy Smith on defense; then Sam and Justin on secial teams. That is 14 players that I would say are impact players. Then we have a lot of good players as well including several young receivers that are gaining more confidence each week. Would it be great to have a big clutch receiver? Of course it would. We have receivers that can make the plays. The other thing I think we are missing most right now is intensity and players playing smart. Turning the ball over, dropping catchable balls and poor tackling are causing us to shoot ourselves in the foot. But all of the problems we are having with not playing smart are fixable and can change our efficiency immediately. When you combine those problems with the injuries it just makes everything seem worse than it is.

[Maryland]

Hindsight is 20/20 but we could have drafted Allen Robinson in second round and instead of Crockett Gillmore drafted Martivius Bryant in 3rd round. That was very realistic.

 

Imagine that. We would have had two WRs over 6'3. Young and productive. Now imagine our offense with Steve Smith Sr, Tory Smith, Allen Robinson, Martivius Bryant and Owen Daniels as targets.... WOW!

 

We have to do better with the offense in next years draft.

 

There is no reason why Steve Smith Sr is our primary receiver. He's old and he didn't come here for that. He should be a slot guy for us helping on short yardage pass plays.

Martavis Bryant's offensive output is unsustainable. He has seen a mere 17 targets, catching 10 for 167 yards. He has been targeted in or within one yard of the end zone six times, and has caught five of them for scores. His stats make him look WAAAY better than he really is. He is still a very raw deep threat, and one who wouldn't help this offense immediately. Plus you're comparing the Steelers incredible WR coaches to the Ravens WR coaches and assuming Bryant would produce the same results. As he is now, Bryant is a deep threat similar to Jacoby Jones, only with the upside of a rookie. 

 

Allen Robinson is a body catcher who benefits from tons of short, quick passes and late-game junk yards. He has made some good plays, but he is mainly the beneficiary of an offense that is afraid to pass it deep because Bortles and their O-line are so bad, and there aren't any other WRs really good enough to push him for playing time. His stats are inflated. 

[HoldingCall]

I think the team's problem has been caused by injuries; it makes me wonder about practices and whether there is enough emphasis on flexibility.  They need to have a close look during this coming off season to re-evaluate training and practice habits. The defense's bend but don't break policy needs to apply to the athlete's bodies as well.

 

As a result, injuries have exposed the team's lack of quality depth and magnified the effect of losing Graham in the secondary.

 

On the offensive side, the team needs to get more of their talent involved and create more balance from WRs. Last season it was Torrey Smith until teams shut him down; this season it's Steve Smith and lately ( the two losses) teams have shut him down.

 

I thinks it's more the plan (or lack of) than the absence of talented players. Whichever it is, more offensive aerial balance is needed.

[JoeyFlex5]

We really do need to find a legit #1 WR to move forward. Temporary fixes like Mason, Boldin and Smith Sr have been great for us. But if we had a guy like Dez, DT or Aj Green this offense would really find its base, and Flacco could build chemistry with a guy for the long term. 

wouldnt exactly call mason a temporary fix, the dude played here for quite some time, was still somewhat young when he came here, has all of our receiving records if im not mistaken, and built our qb from the ground up, without mason i dont think joe becomes half the qb he has become

[Tru11]

You forget about the "get the ball" part. It isn't about YAC, Flacco can throw the ball with good accuracy at crazy distance. It is about receivers who can run those timing routes consistently (none, even Smith Sr botches 2 or 3 a game) fight for contested balls (Smith Sr. that's it) and can track a ball.

 

Kubiak's system is all about being able to do that quick release on the hot read - you can't do that when your receivers are never where they should be.

 

We don't need an AJ Green. We just need better than sub par - an above average group will do fine.

 

no suprise you praise flacco and discredit the receiving core lol.

 

good accuracy means hitting players in stride, not having to fight for the ball.

if receivers have to go up for a contested ball it wasent accurate.

accurate passes are placed where only the receiver can get it.

 

also have you ever considerd the fault lies partly with flacco?

maybe receivers are coverd because the defense had the perfect play called?

like the steelers where blitzing and bringing pressure , yet flacco never made adjustments at line based on what he saw.

 

yeah well ofcourse you will have less time to throw and receivers wont be open.

 

the good QBs read the defense and adjust plays and/or routes and thus try to get better results.

[redrum52]

no suprise you praise flacco and discredit the receiving core lol.

good accuracy means hitting players in stride, not having to fight for the ball.

if receivers have to go up for a contested ball it wasent accurate.

accurate passes are placed where only the receiver can get it.

also have you ever considerd the fault lies partly with flacco?

maybe receivers are coverd because the defense had the perfect play called?

like the steelers where blitzing and bringing pressure , yet flacco never made adjustments at line based on what he saw.

yeah well ofcourse you will have less time to throw and receivers wont be open.

the good QBs read the defense and adjust plays and/or routes and thus try to get better results.

The center should be making all adjustments! If the ball hits the wrs finger tip he should catch it. The o line isn't blocking for 12 seconds and the wr running wide open underneath didn't get open enough to help Joe!

When it's mentioned he doesn't lead or anticipate route the one pass he throws on point is mentioned or the throw to Torrey where he got bullied and Joe threw a pick is mentioned, even though he still should've realized his man wasn't going to clear the route considering he was still being hit when he threw it. You mention everyone seeing blitz except for the qb and adjustment is made and people blame that fully on the line. If you see a blitz move a blocker or wr over to that side and make teams pay. Either keep someone in to lock or have someone running a quick route to get the ball out fast.

I'm not in the locker room or film room so I can only go by what I see and it seems that our qb still struggles with the mental aspect of this game somewhat along with inconsistent accuracy.

[Tru11]

The center should be making all adjustments! If the ball hits the wrs finger tip he should catch it. The o line isn't blocking for 12 seconds and the wr running wide open underneath didn't get open enough to help Joe!

When it's mentioned he doesn't lead or anticipate route the one pass he throws on point is mentioned or the throw to Torrey where he got bullied and Joe threw a pick is mentioned, even though he still should've realized his man wasn't going to clear the route considering he was still being hit when he threw it. You mention everyone seeing blitz except for the qb and adjustment is made and people blame that fully on the line. If you see a blitz move a blocker or wr over to that side and make teams pay. Either keep someone in to lock or have someone running a quick route to get the ball out fast.

I'm not in the locker room or film room so I can only go by what I see and it seems that our qb still struggles with the mental aspect of this game somewhat along with inconsistent accuracy.

 

yeah im not sure why people blame that on the line entirely lol.

 

when the C doesent get any info from the QB about possible blitzers and where pressure might come from , he has 0 reason to adjust anything lol.

 

same with receivers.

 

if the QB doesent make a call , you are expected to run your route as intended.

 

when pressure then gets to early the receiver wont be open lol.

 

example:

routes based on a 5 step drop wont be open if pressure is there within 3 steps.

 

its up to the QB to read the defense and change the play from a 5 step drop to perhaps shotgun snap and throw play.

[jimmypowder]

I think a standout WR is the biggest hole on the team right now if everyone was healthy.

Without Jimmy, the awful secondary has been exposed.

Kubiak's system is a tight end system .When Pitta went down,it hurt more than you think.

 

We need a stud tight end.

[ravensdfan]

no suprise you praise flacco and discredit the receiving core lol.

 

good accuracy means hitting players in stride, not having to fight for the ball.

if receivers have to go up for a contested ball it wasent accurate.

accurate passes are placed where only the receiver can get it.

 

also have you ever considerd the fault lies partly with flacco?

maybe receivers are coverd because the defense had the perfect play called?

like the steelers where blitzing and bringing pressure , yet flacco never made adjustments at line based on what he saw.

 

yeah well ofcourse you will have less time to throw and receivers wont be open.

 

the good QBs read the defense and adjust plays and/or routes and thus try to get better results.

 

And it's no surprise you blame only Flacco.

 

Adjustments or not no one should be there in 3 steps or less. The O line was a big fat F.

So every single time we've done the hot reads they fail because the receiver isn't where he should be - remember this is the hot read - the QB doesn't go through his progressions - it is 5 step gone to where the receiver is supposed to be. But, it's Flacco not the receivers. Yep, logical. Ridiculous.

 

So let's see - Flacco had a good QB rating and completed over 66% of his passes. But he's the problem. Yep. Whatever.

[Guest Omerta]

Honestly I think we are missing a HC who can put it all together. We have either had great defense and been working on offense or our defense has struggled and our offense was rising. There was never a real balance. I am hoping for it dont get me wrong, but I have not seen it. Are you telling me that of the less than a dozen players on our roster now still dont know how to play on the road plus 40 new people ? The same problem we have had for years now ? We all see a similar theme in road losses no ? It is just a lot of coincidences, and dont even get me started on time management. He is not a bad HC, I just think he has been a product of better people/players around him that were better leaders and smarter on X's and O's.

[jazz1988]

yeah im not sure why people blame that on the line entirely lol.

 

when the C doesent get any info from the QB about possible blitzers and where pressure might come from , he has 0 reason to adjust anything lol.

 

same with receivers.

 

if the QB doesent make a call , you are expected to run your route as intended.

 

when pressure then gets to early the receiver wont be open lol.

 

example:

routes based on a 5 step drop wont be open if pressure is there within 3 steps.

 

its up to the QB to read the defense and change the play from a 5 step drop to perhaps shotgun snap and throw play.

 

Most of the time it's the center whom makes the line calls and actually there has been times where I seen Flacco make calls him self.Flacco just isn't flashy with his calls  like  a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady but he definitely does it. I think Jim Caldwell was probably the only offensive coordinator that gave Flacco full  freedom to audible when he wants .Gary Kubiak does allow Flacco to audible but from what I been reading  he does give the quarterback alot of freedom.  

 

Fans like to get on Flacco for his lack of ability to show command of the offense but the guy can only do what he's allowed to do . The same thing  happen with Big Ben last year with his offensive coordinator but eventually things were resolved because Ben and Todd Haley worked things out. It's kind asking alot for quarterback in a fairly new offensive system to be captain control everything and usually it takes another year two for that happen.

Sorry for the neg i hit that button my mistake when I was trying click on quote.

[jazz1988]

Honestly I think we are missing a HC who can put it all together. We have either had great defense and been working on offense or our defense has struggled and our offense was rising. There was never a real balance. I am hoping for it dont get me wrong, but I have not seen it. Are you telling me that of the less than a dozen players on our roster now still dont know how to play on the road plus 40 new people ? The same problem we have had for years now ? We all see a similar theme in road losses no ? It is just a lot of coincidences, and dont even get me started on time management. He is not a bad HC, I just think he has been a product of better people/players around him that were better leaders and smarter on X's and O's.

 

Hmmm maybe it's just me but I thought for sure we still had trouble winning games on the road even when we had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. It could be a  coach issue but  I think some of that blame should be on the players and even  the coordinators.  I think Harbaugh is a great head coach  and our team may be inconsistent here and there but we still good nonetheless

[Ravenseconbeast]

Joe is one if not the most tough qbs in all of football. Joe may not look like, but he is definetly as passion or more passion than guys like Rivers that you see freakin out all over the sideline.

I'll agree we don't a a FS as off now, but Hill should take the job and run away with it soon.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are long gone. And I hate to break it to you, but Mosely and D. Smith have been playing far superior to what he was the last 3-4 years of his career.

Our 3-4 works perfectly. There is absolutely not reason to runa 4-3, nor do we have the player designed for that.

T.O. didn't want to come to Baltimore.

With so much passion Joe exudes(without any words of course, b/c his receivers knows how to read his mind), no wonder his connecting with our receivers and being so productive on field!

Rivers<Flacco no doubt this year! Let's forget his 19/22INT last year. I'm sure being ranked 19th overall will only get better as seasons move along.

Flacco 'only wins' right? Screw how the rest of the team performs, its all him. Joe just 'wins' let's see it!

[edthehead]

I am the odd man out,we do need certain positions filled but I think we need better coaches, a coach who plays to the players strength,A coach who have great schemes,a coach who makes adjustments,time mgmt,A coach without the same old song and dance,"we will get better,there are allot of games left etc,etc,etc",,heck we can some marty ball bring him in,just joking, but it starts and ends with the coaches, the average coach when faced with the possibility of loosing his job,all the above becomes the focal point , we vwin     

[rmcjacket23]

I am the odd man out,we do need certain positions filled but I think we need better coaches, a coach who plays to the players strength,A coach who have great schemes,a coach who makes adjustments,time mgmt,A coach without the same old song and dance,"we will get better,there are allot of games left etc,etc,etc",,heck we can some marty ball bring him in,just joking, but it starts and ends with the coaches, the average coach when faced with the possibility of loosing his job,all the above becomes the focal point , we vwin     

Coaches coach, and players play.

 

You can have the best schemes, the best technique, and the best game plans, and that is probably worth about 4 wins a year.

 

The rest is 100% about the talent and execution of the players on the field.

[edthehead]

Coaches coach, and players play.

 

You can have the best schemes, the best technique, and the best game plans, and that is probably worth about 4 wins a year.

 

The rest is 100% about the talent and execution of the players on the field.

coaches,,,, belichick,Arians,pete carroll,Reed,just to name a few these coaches have coached without talent and many times were counted out somehow a good coach puts his player in position,that is called a coach,anybody can coach but a good coach,will make a difference, NOW what you are talking about is a figure head coach,, john fox,caldwell,some coaches get by with a good GM and OWNER,,MAYBE harbs

[Tru11]

And it's no surprise you blame only Flacco.

 

Adjustments or not no one should be there in 3 steps or less. The O line was a big fat F.

So every single time we've done the hot reads they fail because the receiver isn't where he should be - remember this is the hot read - the QB doesn't go through his progressions - it is 5 step gone to where the receiver is supposed to be. But, it's Flacco not the receivers. Yep, logical. Ridiculous.

 

So let's see - Flacco had a good QB rating and completed over 66% of his passes. But he's the problem. Yep. Whatever.

 

lol my very first post you quoted in this thread i was talking about kubiaks scheme and how the YAC we where getting now is pretty much on pair with how it was in houston.

 

in what way or shape was i blaiming flacco?

 

you brought flacco into and now your accusing me of only blaiming him?

 

also do you even know what the intention of blitzing is?

blitzes are supposed to hit home before the QB completes a drop.

thats what its a blitz.

 

the very 1st thing to beat a blitz is to indentify a blitz.

Thats the QB job.

 

the 2nd thing is making adjustments.

Thats when the QB tell the C what he expects and he then tell if they are still going to run the play or change it.

 

3rd thing

Now its the C job to adjust the blocking based on what the QB saw and the receivers and backs must adjust to what the QB told them.

 

So no matter how you wanna spin or twist stuff , the QB is man in charge of the offense.

Not the C or the receivers.

 

Also please dont bring up QB rating cause as of a now he is rated as the 18th best QB in the league lol

 

 

he is also rated the 18th most accurate QB at the moment lol.

 

seriously that also worth bragging about?

 

love how you set such low standards  for flacco but expect everyone else to be great lol.

[rmcjacket23]

coaches,,,, belichick,Arians,pete carroll,Reed,just to name a few these coaches have coached without talent and many times were counted out somehow a good coach puts his player in position,that is called a coach,anybody can coach but a good coach,will make a difference, NOW what you are talking about is a figure head coach,, john fox,caldwell,some coaches get by with a good GM and OWNER,,

Literally every single coach you listed as a boatload of talent on their team. Belichick, Arians, Carroll, etc... they all of very, very, very high level talent on their teams at certain key spots.

 

Yes, they are good coaches. And yes, they do have an impact on the game. Its interesting that you picked those three, because there's a couple things you seem to be forgetting about them...

 

1. Belicheck was fired from Cleveland for sucking... badly.

2. Arians was universally despised as an OC in Pittsburgh, and they couldn't wait to get him out of town fast enough.

3. This is Carroll's second attempt as a HC in this league, and his first went miserably.

[Tru11]

Most of the time it's the center whom makes the line calls and actually there has been times where I seen Flacco make calls him self.Flacco just isn't flashy with his calls  like  a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady but he definitely does it. I think Jim Caldwell was probably the only offensive coordinator that gave Flacco full  freedom to audible when he wants .Gary Kubiak does allow Flacco to audible but from what I been reading  he does give the quarterback alot of freedom.  

 

Fans like to get on Flacco for his lack of ability to show command of the offense but the guy can only do what he's allowed to do . The same thing  happen with Big Ben last year with his offensive coordinator but eventually things were resolved because Ben and Todd Haley worked things out. It's kind asking alot for quarterback in a fairly new offensive system to be captain control everything and usually it takes another year two for that happen.

Sorry for the neg i hit that button my mistake when I was trying click on quote.

 

Well i think centers like Birk could make calls on their own but usually its supposed to be the QB who tell the C what is to be expected and then the C makes the call to the rest of the o-line.

 

i find it hard to believe a C will act on his own without the QB and rb knowing what they are going to do lol.

 

well my initial post in this thread i was talking about the scheme and well we dont know how much flacco is allowed to do but given his status with the team i think we should all expect him to be more involved.

 

at least that was being reported in the offseason lol

 

 

uhhh im used to being negged so no harm done lol.

[jazz1988]

Well i think centers like Birk could make calls on their own but usually its supposed to be the QB who tell the C what is to be expected and then the C makes the call to the rest of the o-line.

 

i find it hard to believe a C will act on his own without the QB and rb knowing what they are going to do lol.

 

well my initial post in this thread i was talking about the scheme and well we dont know how much flacco is allowed to do but given his status with the team i think we should all expect him to be more involved.

 

at least that was being reported in the offseason lol

 

 

uhhh im used to being negged so no harm done lol.

 

I understand for fans to feel like Flacco should be more involved in the offense and in my opinion Flacco kinda excels when you allow him to do his own thing especially in the no huddle but he really can only do what he's being told. Kubiak and Flacco are still new to each other so probably over time during the season and hopefully during the bye week Kubiak can get a better grasp of what Flacco excels at.

[edthehead]

Literally every single coach you listed as a boatload of talent on their team. Belichick, Arians, Carroll, etc... they all of very, very, very high level talent on their teams at certain key spots.

 

Yes, they are good coaches. And yes, they do have an impact on the game. Its interesting that you picked those three, because there's a couple things you seem to be forgetting about them...

 

1. Belicheck was fired from Cleveland for sucking... badly.

2. Arians was universally despised as an OC in Pittsburgh, and they couldn't wait to get him out of town fast enough.

3. This is Carroll's second attempt as a HC in this league, and his first went miserably.

1.sorry belichick was not fired for sucking bad he was in the process of building a great team,he was with them when they moved to baltimore so we fired belichick,    no talent at many postions   espn clevand brown                                                       2.Arians I do not know how the fans felt but I do know how ben felt he spoke about arians  and there was controversy surounding his termination or lack of a renewed contract, ,,again hurt up who is there QB before carson came back,oh did I say carson ,enough said                                                                                                                                                       3.pete carroll second time around is far better than the first. jets hc postion was bad but NE was ok,he took players deep in the draft and put them in position to become impact players,richard sherman is good but he is not all that to me he is in a very good system and he only plays 1 side,, unlike our jimmy smith or old school McCalister ,revis along with other players

[The Raven]

no suprise you praise flacco and discredit the receiving core lol.

 

good accuracy means hitting players in stride, not having to fight for the ball.

if receivers have to go up for a contested ball it wasent accurate.

accurate passes are placed where only the receiver can get it.

 

also have you ever considerd the fault lies partly with flacco?

maybe receivers are coverd because the defense had the perfect play called?

like the steelers where blitzing and bringing pressure , yet flacco never made adjustments at line based on what he saw.

 

yeah well ofcourse you will have less time to throw and receivers wont be open.

 

the good QBs read the defense and adjust plays and/or routes and thus try to get better results.

 

Ya know, the WR coach and OC here at my college told the WRs one day: "If the pass is contested, you are not open."

 

Yes part of the blame does go to Joe but there's really only so much he can do with receivers who wo't get open and won't catch contested passes

[Dr. Kelley]

Literally every single coach you listed as a boatload of talent on their team. Belichick, Arians, Carroll, etc... they all of very, very, very high level talent on their teams at certain key spots.

Yes, they are good coaches. And yes, they do have an impact on the game. Its interesting that you picked those three, because there's a couple things you seem to be forgetting about them...

1. Belicheck was fired from Cleveland for sucking... badly.

2. Arians was universally despised as an OC in Pittsburgh, and they couldn't wait to get him out of town fast enough.

3. This is Carroll's second attempt as a HC in this league, and his first went miserably.

Belicheck was not fired from Cleveland for sucking, that's not even a remotely true statement.