What exactly we're missing

[Tru11]

In 2013 I said all offseason "we need wr's" people batted me away and pointed to doss and deonte. All 2014 offseason I said "we need to beef up the secondary, we have no depth". People batted me away and pointed to Chykie and Asa (Asa was actually decent). Bottom line I'm sick of having to say "told you so" about glaring holes on this team, I really am.

 

so you can predict injuries?

 

well can you tell me what the score will be in the next game?

 

id like to hear your awnser before the game is played though.

they wont let me bet afterwards.

[BirdWatcher]

I took some time to think about this and feel there's a lot of merit in the idea that we need a real playmaker (or even more than 1). Reviewing the stats from Sunday, you would not expect the score to be so lopsided.

Both teams had 22 first downs. Baltimore had 2 more plays, 67-64. Ravens had 366 yds on offense, Steelers had 395. Joe completed 30 passes for 66%; Ben 25 for 67%. The big difference: 6 of Ben's passes went for TDs. Our leading receiver was a RB. We need receivers who can make plays. (Admittedly, we also need DBs who can stop plays.)

I don't think our offense is as "broken" as it appears. It's just lacking receivers who can get the ball and gain some YAC.

[Tru11]

I took some time to think about this and feel there's a lot of merit in the idea that we need a real playmaker (or even more than 1). Reviewing the stats from Sunday, you would not expect the score to be so lopsided.

Both teams had 22 first downs. Baltimore had 2 more plays, 67-64. Ravens had 366 yds on offense, Steelers had 395. Joe completed 30 passes for 66%; Ben 25 for 67%. The big difference: 6 of Ben's passes went for TDs. Our leading receiver was a RB. We need receivers who can make plays. (Admittedly, we also need DBs who can stop plays.)

I don't think our offense is as "broken" as it appears. It's just lacking receivers who can get the ball and gain some YAC.

 

TOP 2 YAC in kubiak scheme in HOU.

 

2009 AJ 532 and slaton 451 yards

2010  Foster 613 Yards and AJ 328 yards

2011 foster 635 yards and Daniels 302 yards

2012  AJ 552 yards and daniels 328 yards

2013 AJ 412 yards and  Graham 216 yards

2014 s.smith 499 and forsett 297 projected

 

You sure its on the players and not the scheme ?

 

Keep in mind AJ was a rare breed of WR in his prime and Foster isent a slouch either.

[Torreysmithforthewin]

Lol and just how many wins do those QBs and stud wrs have in the play offs ?

Yeah, I realize Romo has only one PO win, he's a great QB. Really deserves a ring and hope he gets one soon. However, last year he was playing with the worst defense in their franchise history and also one of the worst all time, and he still managed to almost get them into the playoffs (didn't play game 16) his defense was so so so bad. Put romo and dez in a top 10 defense they could both have their rings by now.

The falcons were doing very well in 2012 but then in 2013 they suffered a ton of injuries and their defense is not that great.

The point is, it's a team game and many things can factor into wether you're a play off winning team or not.

[jazz1988]

I took some time to think about this and feel there's a lot of merit in the idea that we need a real playmaker (or even more than 1). Reviewing the stats from Sunday, you would not expect the score to be so lopsided.

Both teams had 22 first downs. Baltimore had 2 more plays, 67-64. Ravens had 366 yds on offense, Steelers had 395. Joe completed 30 passes for 66%; Ben 25 for 67%. The big difference: 6 of Ben's passes went for TDs. Our leading receiver was a RB. We need receivers who can make plays. (Admittedly, we also need DBs who can stop plays.)

I don't think our offense is as "broken" as it appears. It's just lacking receivers who can get the ball and gain some YAC.

 

I have said this before but I think what really lacking with our offense is  our inability to adjust. None of our young receivers are  Calvin Johnson or Reggie Wayne route running wise or strength wise when it comes to beating press man coverage. I don't see how Gary Kubiak can not see that but yet still ask them to run isolation routes against  press man coverage which we all know they aren't good against.

 

You have to be alot more creative and smarter than that which gets me to ask where are the  stack formations, bunch formations,rub routes and etc.  This is not 90's or early 2000's where teams were more willing  to ask their receivers to beat their man on their own for the majority of the time. You have to be able to adjust in this league and constantly find mitmatches which  is something I'm not seeing from Gary Kubiak on a consistent basis. 

 

People say our receivers just aren't good enough route runners and etc but at the end of the day offenses/teams like the Packers, Bengels,Broncos, Lions, and etc all have stud receivers but they also help their receivers get open when it's quite obvious when they  are struggling to. I'm not taking anything way from Gary Kubiak because he has done a good job with our offense but it's definitely disappointing  to see us fail to adapt sometimes to what opposing defenses are giving us.  

[Cillmatic]

Lol and just how many wins do those QBs and stud wrs have in the play offs ?

That's because all those teams have bad defenses, not including the Bengals who is a QB away from a super bowl

[Cillmatic]

This offense needs good recievers and consistant QB play, we have neither.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I think we could use a new TE and I think that will definitely be one of our biggest priorities next offseason. Not having Pitta is a huge detrament to this offense, and I really question his long term health. Picking up a top tier TE next off season could be huge. But for now Owen Daniels will have to try and stay healthy and continue to chip in.

[TDubbs]

I was just about to say, Romo has Dez, Dalton has Green, Matty Ice has Julio Jones, Panthers got Cam Kelvin Benjamin, Flacco just gets band aids instead of a long term solution.

 

All solid QBs too, but those consistent top WR's make those guys better as well. We were so darn close to getting Dez, but other than that we're afraid to take a WR in the 1st round. I don't see that changing this draft either with our secondary issues. 

[GrimCoconut]

I think we could use a new TE and I think that will definitely be one of our biggest priorities next offseason. Not having Pitta is a huge detrament to this offense, and I really question his long term health. Picking up a top tier TE next off season could be huge. But for now Owen Daniels will have to try and stay healthy and continue to chip in.

I think Gillmore has played very well for a rookie TE who many considered to be a reach and not very athletic. I think he's shown some promise as a future weapon. Reminds me some of Miller.

[redlobster]

Yeah, because the Ravens have a long history of trading up in the 1st

 

Maybe do some reading and see what I was quoting. If Cooper was the target they would have to trade up in the 1st. Save the eyeroll for when you aren't being ignorant yourself.

[Tru11]

That's because all those teams have bad defenses, not including the Bengals who is a QB away from a super bowl

 

so they do need more then a stud WR are you saying now?

[RaineV1]

I don't think the Ravens need a stud but they do need a group of solid receivers. As it stands right now, other teams know that if they shut down Steve Smith, that's it, the passing offense is most likely going to suck for the rest of the game.

[Lockdown#22]

Hindsight is 20/20 but we could have drafted Allen Robinson in second round and instead of Crockett Gillmore drafted Martivius Bryant in 3rd round. That was very realistic.

 

Imagine that. We would have had two WRs over 6'3. Young and productive. Now imagine our offense with Steve Smith Sr, Tory Smith, Allen Robinson, Martivius Bryant and Owen Daniels as targets.... WOW!

 

We have to do better with the offense in next years draft.

 

There is no reason why Steve Smith Sr is our primary receiver. He's old and he didn't come here for that. He should be a slot guy for us helping on short yardage pass plays.

[jazz1988]

Hindsight is 20/20 but we could have drafted Allen Robinson in second round and instead of Crockett Gillmore drafted Martivius Bryant in 3rd round. That was very realistic.

 

Imagine that. We would have had two WRs over 6'3. Young and productive. Now imagine our offense with Steve Smith Sr, Tory Smith, Allen Robinson, Martivius Bryant and Owen Daniels as targets.... WOW!

 

We have to do better with the offense in next years draft.

 

There is no reason why Steve Smith Sr is our primary receiver. He's old and he didn't come here for that. He should be a slot guy for us helping on short yardage pass plays.

 

I liked Allen Robinson but Timmy Jerigan was just  better value.  Considering that Owen Daniels is injury prone and Dennis Pitta is on i.r it's probably a good thing that we drafted Crockett over a  wide receiver.Bryant current play is a surprise because he was considered a project receiver and The Ravens  did have interest in him but I think they feared he would have been another Tommy Streeter.

 

The Steelers  just really have a good history in finding receivers and really know how to bring them up . It's kinda like all of  them are pretty good route runners but there offensive coordinator definitely knows how to used them all.

[52N19]

I don't think the Ravens need a stud but they do need a group of solid receivers. As it stands right now, other teams know that if they shut down Steve Smith, that's it, the passing offense is most likely going to suck for the rest of the game.

 

i vote for this response as the number one response and remedy. if i'm a DC i double steve smith. game over.

[52N19]

i don't know how you guage receiving corps in teh NFL but we have to be in the bottom 10%. for all intense purpose we really only have SS sr and like someone else said he was not intended to be the #1. Daniels is serviceable but was not expected to start due to age and injury history. jacoby jones can't catch a cold and he is done. Torrey Smith is just average at best. that leaves aiken and campano which are both unproven. not sure what happened to donte thompson.

 

i take it back. we probably aren't in the bottom 10% we are probabaly at the bottom of the league in receiver capabilites.

 

in the last couple of years pittsburg loses emmanuel sanders and mike wallace and they still haev a stable of receivers without going to the FA market. whats up with that?

[ccflraven]

d-linemen and linebackers do not score points over twenty million tied up in ngata and suggs that money could be used on weapons for flacco. point being watch how much money u tie up in aging vets that dont put points on the board the rules are slanted towards the offense.

[Drew P]

 

I liked Allen Robinson but Timmy Jerigan was just  better value.  Considering that Owen Daniels is injury prone and Dennis Pitta is on i.r it's probably a good thing that we drafted Crockett over a  wide receiver.Bryant current play is a surprise because he was considered a project receiver and The Ravens  did have interest in him but I think they feared he would have been another Tommy Streeter.

 

The Steelers  just really have a good history in finding receivers and really know how to bring them up . It's kinda like all of  them are pretty good route runners but there offensive coordinator definitely knows how to used them all.

 

More receivers means more guys standing on the sideline watching Smith SR. and Torrey getting passes jammed down their throat whether they like it or not..the squeelers actually use multiple formations and various packages of WR's to create match up problems the Ravens do not...they trot out the same schmucks and attempt the same old boring predictable home run ball to Torrey and -4 yard pass to SR...

[sflegend89]

so you can predict injuries?

 

well can you tell me what the score will be in the next game?

 

id like to hear your awnser before the game is played though.

they wont let me bet afterwards.

Yes i did say "injuries are inevitable" when talking about the secondary months ago. Seriously dig up my old posts if you wish. I pushed and pushed for cb's in FA as they all got signed and we sat pat. Of course I expected injuries, why else would I want depth. I didn't say go out and get Revis, I wanted solid depth like Corey Graham re-signed. It's unbelievable that we went into the season with total unprovens ftom the #3 cb spot on down and now we have to pay the price.

[The Raven]

We don't need any more "impact players" per se.

 

What we need is for people to do their job. The Patriots do good every year because players just do their job. How many "impact players" do they actually have? They have Brady and Gronk. Yet they win.

 

Do your job and you win. Simple. 

[jazz1988]

More receivers means more guys standing on the sideline watching Smith SR. and Torrey getting passes jammed down their throat whether they like it or not..the squeelers actually use multiple formations and various packages of WR's to create match up problems the Ravens do not...they trot out the same schmucks and attempt the same old boring predictable home run ball to Torrey and -4 yard pass to SR...

 

You right and then fans complain about our receiver not getting open . I thought the signing of Gary Kubiak would mean more bunch formation,rub routes, stacks, and overall move our receivers around to find mitmatches but my expectations have no been reached but atleast our offense is way better than last year. If Gary Kubiak going to keep this up then we really do need to get us good route runner that can hold his own on consistent basis and matter of fact we might as well get more than one receiver that can do that.

[akacrow]

For the love of god.... Calvin Johnson has been out since week five, and has two TDs on the season.  Cincinnati kicked our asses without A.J. Green. 

[PurpleReign92]

I said this once and I will say it again Companaro is the answer.  We have the answer for at-least 3 out of 4 plays considering 1 of those plays is run play...

[SeaHawk]

Can't tell if you're joking lol

Let it be noted I posted that before the OP added any substance to their post.

 

I was joking, my friend... hahaha.

[Gordo52]

I was joking, my friend... hahaha.

Sorry can't tell with anyone anymore haha

[Cillmatic]

We don't need any more "impact players" per se.

What we need is for people to do their job. The Patriots do good every year because players just do their job. How many "impact players" do they actually have? They have Brady and Gronk. Yet they win.

Do your job and you win. Simple.

The have the best QB of all time, the top secondary in the NFL, the best coach of all time and the best tight end in the league. They have impact players. A legendary QB makes a team WAY better, a great coach garentees playoffs and that secondary of theirs just shut down Manning. They have IMPACT players.

[rmcjacket23]

The have the best QB of all time, the top secondary in the NFL, the best coach of all time and the best tight end in the league. They have impact players. A legendary QB makes a team WAY better, a great coach garentees playoffs and that secondary of theirs just shut down Manning. They have IMPACT players.

Well, the secondary basically just got good this season. The last time they were in the SB in 2011, they had a historically bad secondary (note it took about 2-3 years and several moves to make it better).

 

What impact players did they have on their team last season when they went to the AFC title game? Brady and Belichick?

[jazz1988]

The have the best QB of all time, the top secondary in the NFL, the best coach of all time and the best tight end in the league. They have impact players. A legendary QB makes a team WAY better, a great coach garentees playoffs and that secondary of theirs just shut down Manning. They have IMPACT players.

 

It's not just Brady and Gronk but  The Patriots  coaches overall do a great job at ultizing the talent they have even on defense. I feel quite confident that Torrey Smith would be playing great in a Patriots offense because they truly know how to  adapt their offense to the player talent/skill. 

 

  They don't try to make a player be something he's not if he's not at that level yet especially  in their offense. Randy Moss wasn't running  Wes Welker type routes when he was with The Patriots and he was one the best one trick pony receiver in the league. Sometimes  it's not about getting  impact players but it's all about using what you got creatively and understanding  when it's time to adapt .

 

The Steelers didn't beat us on sunday because we didn't have impact players its because they actually adapted to what our offense and defense  was give them and  succeed because we didn't do the same,

[Cillmatic]

Well, the secondary basically just got good this season. The last time they were in the SB in 2011, they had a historically bad secondary (note it took about 2-3 years and several moves to make it better).

What impact players did they have on their team last season when they went to the AFC title game? Brady and Belichick?

That's all they need. Having two of the greatest people in football means a lot.