Aiding the runner NFL rule, Daltons TD

[Andrew Glass]

I havent seen anyone talk about this but I'm surprised.. They obviously dont call this rule much just like offensive PI's.. I mean it happens people get pushed along but the bengals actually used a designed illegal play where not only the running backs pushed dalton but the LT pulled to get in behind dalton and push.. Here is the nfl rule..

 

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/useofhands

 

"No player on offense may assist a runner except by blocking for him. There shall be no interlocking interference"

 

I mean if they blatently dont enforce that why wouldnt you run that play everytime on short yardage and turn it into rugby... Its a easy 2-3 yards.

 

I'm not here to cry thats why we lost I mean they should not have gotten down there but I mean they actually designed and ran a illegal play... it wasnt something that just happened.

Edited October 28, 2014 by Andrew Glass

[Alaska Alaska!]

I havent seen anyone talk about this but I'm surprised.. They obviously dont call this rule much just like offensive PI's.. I mean it happens people get pushed along but the bengals actually used a designed illegal play where not only the running backs pushed dalton but the LT pulled to get in behind dalton and push.. Here is the nfl rule..

 

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/useofhands

 

"No player on offense may assist a runner except by blocking for him. There shall be no interlocking interference"

 

I mean if they blatently dont enforce that why wouldnt you run that play everytime on short yardage and turn it into rugby... Its a easy 2-3 yards.

 

I'm not here to cry thats why we lost I mean they should not have gotten down there but I mean they actually designed and ran a illegal play... it wasnt something that just happened.

I was wondering this too, but we see it all the time.  I forgot what game it was, but I've seen Hurst pretty much push Forsett into the endzone.  It's not something that's hidden either.  Announcers bring up those plays all the time, but I guess in some way it is a legal play. 

Edited October 28, 2014 by Alaska Alaska!

[Wildabeast88]

I mentioned it in one of the threads but its the Bengals they get away with everything. Gresham being 3 yds downfield and calling Suggs offsides tackling 3 guys outside of the 3 yd wide white area ripping FLacco's helmet off when other QBs get touched with one finger and get roughing calls. Finally Torrey getting mugged and no call either PI or defenseless WR but what do I know

[rmcjacket23]

My guess would be that you can make an easy argument that the offensive players who are "pushing the pile" are actually engaged with defensive players when they are doing it, hence "blocking".

 

Very gray area in the rules though.

[redrum52]

They rarely call this and it seems every team does it.

[The Raven]

That hasn't been called in years. Also, we have done the same thing here in Baltimore. I think I remember on several occasions Leach pushing Flacco or Rice into the endzone. 

[ravensdan]

Famous one called on USC pushing Reggie Bush in.

[Static]

Thinking about it isn't going to make sense because the bungles could have gotten away with murder

[redlobster]

I think harbough was asked about this in his press conference and he said he brings it up every year at the nfl meetings but it never gets anywhere

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Yanda is constantly downfield pushing the runner forward when they get blocked.  Don't think this is really anything to complain about - if they don't flag us for it then we can't expect them to flag others.

[jimmypowder]

You can push ,but you can't grab the runner and move him . Is that

Correct?

[gabefergy]

Yanda is constantly downfield pushing the runner forward when they get blocked. Don't think this is really anything to complain about - if they don't flag us for it then we can't expect them to flag others.

I think there is a difference in getting downfield and helping to push a pile of 5+ players, and having an OT pull and literally only push the QB on a goal line play.

[Andrew Glass]

I agree alot of times the offensive lineman do do it from time to time and they never call it.. what was interesting to me was it was a designed play for it.. The LT pulled behind the QB asap and the RB/FB both hit the qb as well.. Why would you not run this everytime you needed 2-3 yards?

Edited October 29, 2014 by Andrew Glass

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Yanda blatantly pushed Rice in the playoff game in Denver.It was on a play in double overtime that got us a first down and made the Tucker kick that much easier.I can't really complain about an ignored rule that helped us win a lombardi.

[52520Andrew]

Yeah I never see it called so I can't complain about it. Also as said Yanda did give Rice that final push to get into Tucker's range in 2012. They will probably make it a point of emphasis at some point but until then I can't complain about it, maybe we should get Ngata to help us out with our goal line troubles by doing it if they don't want to call it

Edited October 29, 2014 by 52520Andrew

[Bruce_Almty]

OMG, the game is over, we lost, it's not a perfect world, don't make excuses, get over it, move on.

[Maryland]

I was also noticed Whitworth pulling inside on what appeared to be a designed play to push Dalton in from behind, but I wasn't entirely sure about the "Assisting the runner" rule. I've only ever seen this rare rule called when offensive players are in front of the runner and pull him forward, but I have never seen it called when a RB/FB/whoever push the runner through a pile (as stated, this happens all of the time).

 

It seems odd that they would have this rule and not enforce it, but that seems to be the case. It creates an unfair advantage for the offense in my opinion, and I'm not just saying that because it was used against us. The offense already knows how/where they're going to run it; they can quickly put one or even both tackles and the RB/FB behind the QB before the rest of the defense even has a chance to join the pile. 

[JoeyFlex5]

outdated rule i suppose, it happens in a ton of games every week, never gets called, and i dont blame em, if you cant shove the runner into the endzone, then what is the point of having 11 players on the field on a qb sneak? 

 

11 defensive players are allowed to crowd around the center and try to rip the qb's head off, the 11 offensive players should be allowed to fight back, otherwise it would be 11 defenders vs a qb and a center essentially. 

 

please do not try to use this as an excuse, we let their o-line dominate us physically and shove our interior line 5 yards deep, it was an embarrassment and we failed absolutely miserably.

[JoeyFlex5]

That hasn't been called in years. Also, we have done the same thing here in Baltimore. I think I remember on several occasions Leach pushing Flacco or Rice into the endzone. 

i remember once i believe it was yanda actually wrapped up one of our RB's and flinging him into the endzone right before he wouldve ran into a defender. wish i could remember where i saw this lol 

 

EDIT: it was the deciding run that got us into field goal range in the playoffs in denver, and i may have exaggerated a bit, he just tackled him forward as the tackler engaged ray lol. 

 

but i do still feel like ive seen yanda wrap up a rb and drag him forward..

Edited October 30, 2014 by JoeyFlex5

[Mick0311]

I mentioned it in one of the threads but its the Bengals they get away with everything. Gresham being 3 yds downfield and calling Suggs offsides tackling 3 guys outside of the 3 yd wide white area ripping FLacco's helmet off when other QBs get touched with one finger and get roughing calls. Finally Torrey getting mugged and no call either PI or defenseless WR but what do I know

 

Flacco had tucked the ball.  He's considered a runner at that point, I think.

[GrimCoconut]

outdated rule i suppose, it happens in a ton of games every week, never gets called, and i dont blame em, if you cant shove the runner into the endzone, then what is the point of having 11 players on the field on a qb sneak?

11 defensive players are allowed to crowd around the center and try to rip the qb's head off, the 11 offensive players should be allowed to fight back, otherwise it would be 11 defenders vs a qb and a center essentially.

please do not try to use this as an excuse, we let their o-line dominate us physically and shove our interior line 5 yards deep, it was an embarrassment and we failed absolutely miserably.

It does happen a lot. It's not unique to this game and we've done it ourselves in the past. When the league starts refocusing effort on it it'll stop, just like OPI. It wasn't called as much as it is now. Granted, it was a lot more common than this but still.

[BaltimoreMark]

AG, you read my mind. Hey, if the refs are not going to call it, I would start taking total advantage of it on every goal line play! 

It was blatantly obvious the Cinn did. 

WE, here, on this discussion board can't be the only ones who noticed this.

My prediction: is that almost every team WILL BE DOING THIS from the beginning on the season UNTIL, the League puts a stop to it, which will happen just as a team does it, and gets a TD called back with a flag.(probably on MNF, so their ratings will improve, because this years MNF lineup is very weak)

[Moderator 3]

Uh, Mark, this thread is from 2014. 

[OUravensfan]

On October 28, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Wildabeast88 said:

I mentioned it in one of the threads but its the Bengals they get away with everything. Gresham being 3 yds downfield and calling Suggs offsides tackling 3 guys outside of the 3 yd wide white area ripping FLacco's helmet off when other QBs get touched with one finger and get roughing calls. Finally Torrey getting mugged and no call either PI or defenseless WR but what do I know

How could you forget the worst one of all, calling back the game winning Steve Smith TD and not calling Sanu for the same thing their previous drive.