We need Rex Ryan back

[K-Dog]

This thread makes my head hurt.

[GrimCoconut]

Rex is like Santa. He's not coming.

[52520Andrew]

The jets are 11th in total yards vs our 22nd & 20th in passing yards vs our 28th & we have a much better defense & secondary on paper than they do. I wouldn't even say all of that. Pees is too soft & conservative! Maybe if he didn't have our CBs give opposing teams WRs like a 5 to 10 yard cushion we'd do a lil bit better, I have yet to see our CBs get physical with other teams WRs other than Jimmy. Whenever our receivers have had a bad game, the defense of the opposing team got physical with our WRs. This starts with coaching, you have to play to the personnel strengths. We succeeded under Rex Ryan because of that, we had an aggressive physical roster on defense so he built a game plan on defense that

emphasized just that.

 

Yards aren't the concern, points are and we are currently second in points allowed in the entire league  at 16.4 points per game which is 0.6 points per game behind Detroit(Jets are 28th in this category at 28.5). We are also ranked 16th in yards per pass attempt(you know, a bit more specific than just total yards since people have thrown 38 more pass attempts against us than against the Jets(who rank 25th in this category by the way)). All you really see in those yardage totals is a difference in style on defense(among other things but primarily the style), we all know by now that Rex calls a more aggressive defense to try to limit yards while Pees is fine playing a bit more conservatively to try to limit points allowed. So would Rex make us any better if he somehow decided to come here? Probably not, we would blitz more and limit yards but that would mean putting our secondary in a more vulnerable position if another team can pick up the blitz(See the AJ Green play in week 1). That means you are going to either see a sack or a big play, very boom or bust. I don't see how that improves us in points allowed which at the end of the day is what matters, it probably brings us down a little in that category considering our problems in the secondary. The lack of talent in the secondary is what is holding us back right now, not our current DC.

[gabefergy]

Not sure if you noticed but we were bad even with Jimmy, I believe this has to do more with the Defensive coordinator & coaching. The jets are 11th in total yards vs our 22nd & 20th in passing yards vs our 28th & we have a much better defense & secondary on paper than they do. They have a 7th round pick safety(Antonio Allen) starting on one side & a undrafted player (Darrin Walls) on the other side & basically two strong safeties up top (Calvin Pryor & Dawan Lawdry) & they STILL have a better defense when it comes to yards per game & passing yards per game vs our defense/secondary. Now let that sink in.... This has to do more with defensive schemes than the players. We succeeded under Rex Ryan because he played to our defense strengths which was nothing but FAST, AGGRESSIVE, & ANGRY vs Dean Pees CONSERVATIVE "bend but don't break" soft zone scheme.

Not sure if you noticed, but we still have the second best scoring defense in the league. The Jets are third worst.

/shuts down thread

[The Raven]

The jets are 11th in total yards vs our 22nd & 20th in passing yards vs our 28th & we have a much better defense & secondary on paper than they do. I wouldn't even say all of that. Pees is too soft & conservative! Maybe if he didn't have our CBs give opposing teams WRs like a 5 to 10 yard cushion we'd do a lil bit better, I have yet to see our CBs get physical with other teams WRs other than Jimmy. Whenever our receivers have had a bad game, the defense of the opposing team got physical with our WRs. This starts with coaching, you have to play to the personnel strengths. We succeeded under Rex Ryan because of that, we had an aggressive physical roster on defense so he built a game plan on defense that emphasized just that.

 

Dude have you freaking seen how bad our secondary is? You've got to be kidding me.

[BBoogieMan]

I'd take Rexy but Harbs will never have it. Like to see this teams attack and intimidate like Ravens defensive should. Also, someone teach these guys to shed blocks and wrap-up, ugh!!!

[jazz1988]

Rex is like Santa. He's not coming.

 

lol wow but we can all dream.

[bMore Heathen]

But that's what's funny, the Jets are 11th in total yards vs our 22nd & 20th in passing yards vs our 28th & we have a much better roster in the secondary than they do! Maybe if Pees didn't have our CBs playing soft zone coverage, giving teams WRs 5 to 10 yard cushion every play we'd put ourselves in better position like we give opposing teams receivers too much respect like get physical with them! Jam them up like the Bengals did us on Sunday. Another thing on sunday the Ravens safeties snap count was this... Elam (66), Stewart (55), Brooks (32), Hill (12) and Trawick (5). Two of our worst cover safeties on roster got majority of the snaps, that's absolutely downright horrible! Will hill 12 snaps???? Elam & Stewart who can't cover nor play the ball over 50+ snaps each? That starts with the defensive coordinator & HC not the players! The reason why we were so successful as a defensive unit under rex was because he played to the personnel strengths. Dean pees is too soft & conservative. We're only aggressive against bad teams or when we have a lead.

This topic has already been beaten to death around here. I hate the off man and zone coverages too, but you need to have the personnel to run press coverage. We don't have that. Jimmy is the only CB that can be trusted to press. That's a big problem. We need to start getting more creative with blitzes to try and mask our CBs. It's not likely given Pees' nature as a DC. When we do blitz, we often show it.

As far as the Safeties go, there is a heavy rotation because none of them are complete players. I miss the days of Ed Reed too, but given who we have at the moment, we have to rotate constantly based on the opposing personnel. We don't have 2 guys that can just stay on the field all the time.

But back to your original post about bringing Rex back, it's not going to happen. We passed him over for Harbs, so I doubt he would ever want to return. And when he is fired, there will be 5-6 teams all jockeying for him as either a DC or HC. So it's pointless to sit here and say we should bring him back. Spagnolo is probably next in line for us, maybe Clearence Brooks the Dline coach, who is one of the best assistants we have. But as someone else said, we will have to fire Pees. He won't take a HC job so it's highly unlikely. I really wanted Terryl Austin to stay and we're now seeing how good he is in Detroit.

[beasy2487]

How did you come up with such innovative and ground breaking ideas ?????

 

I've often been described as a thinker. In fact, here's a little tidbit for you...peanut butter + jelly + bread = boom life changed. Thank me later. lol.

[Drew P]

So he can call a time out at winning time?

 

Pees is boring as hell he is basically (3 man rush) Matteson with one testicle...it be nice if he grew another

[gabefergy]

The one constant theme I can find in this thread is that most people have no clue what they are talking about.

[K-Dog]

The one constant theme I can find in this thread is that most people have no clue what they are talking about.

Just this thread?

[Ravenseconbeast]

The one constant theme I can find in this thread is that most people have no clue what they are talking about.

Bingo

[gabefergy]

Just this thread?

Fair point.

[omar586]

with rex our D had that killer instinct.

[stampedehero]

He was good with that coaching staff and no other in BAL.

[HockeyAndRavens]

No.

[Guest Omerta]

I will preface this with saying I am no Harbaugh fan,I have not been since day 1 and will not be in less some aspects of him change. I also think that Dean Pees is a barely average defensive mind. Now onto the thread. 

 

We SHOULD NOT consider taking Rex Ryan back in any sort of capacity. The reason is three fold,

 

Unless you plan on shelling the whole staff there is no room for him here. It would cause way to much headache under the current regime and it would covered as much as any story in recent memory for the Ravens sans the Ray Rice video. You can not bring him here under Harbaugh because the tension, incredible ego's,and insufferable pride of both men will cause more problems than it will solve. 

 

So lets say we fire Harbaugh (no thanks, even though I dont care for him) than who is to replace him ? The only candidate we have who could maintain any sort of continuity would be Kubiak, which I could live with,but he is a better OC than HC. The othre is that Rex is now  your HC, again no thanks, he is a better coordinator than HC. 

 

So with those two out of the way we are looking for a new HC who has to control a huge ego in Rex Ryan,those problems could abound. 

 

I like him as a defensive coordinator, but the time to hire him has come and gone unless we put ourselves in a worse position. I am no fan of Harbaugh or Pees,but hey we are making progress. It is better than Pees,Harbaugh, and Cameron so hey, I guess now instead of hating all of them I am meh about the whole staff at HC,OC,and DC.I still love our position coaches but would love to have austin and montgomery back.

[jazz1988]

This topic has already been beaten to death around here. I hate the off man and zone coverages too, but you need to have the personnel to run press coverage. We don't have that. Jimmy is the only CB that can be trusted to press. That's a big problem. We need to start getting more creative with blitzes to try and mask our CBs. It's not likely given Pees' nature as a DC. When we do blitz, we often show it.

As far as the Safeties go, there is a heavy rotation because none of them are complete players. I miss the days of Ed Reed too, but given who we have at the moment, we have to rotate constantly based on the opposing personnel. We don't have 2 guys that can just stay on the field all the time.

But back to your original post about bringing Rex back, it's not going to happen. We passed him over for Harbs, so I doubt he would ever want to return. And when he is fired, there will be 5-6 teams all jockeying for him as either a DC or HC. So it's pointless to sit here and say we should bring him back. Spagnolo is probably next in line for us, maybe Clearence Brooks the Dline coach, who is one of the best assistants we have. But as someone else said, we will have to fire Pees. He won't take a HC job so it's highly unlikely. I really wanted Terryl Austin to stay and we're now seeing how good he is in Detroit.

 

It's not press man that's really the issue but if Pees don't trust our cornerbacks in man coverage especially against less than great receivers than that's a problem. I feel like Pee gave the Bengels receivers too much respect on sunday by asking  them to cover in off man coverage especially on third down.  

 

Will Hill is our best safety on the team and we probably just working him in slowly but overall he's the only safety I can  think  of that deserves to be on the field at all times especially once he gets more familar with our defense. 

[JetLife94]

Can he play CB?

SS or TE

[HoldingCall]

If Rex Ryan is fired from the jets during the season or after the season, would you want him back? Would the Ravens possibly reach out? If it were me I'd certainly reach out to him back in a heartbeat, we need that organized chaos BACK. Our roster on defense is too talented not to be a top 5, top 3 or the #1 defense in the league. What are your thoughts fellow Ravens fans?

Rex was a good DC but to have a dominating defense you must also have the right pieces in place. I do not believe the corner and safety positions are solid enough at present time to do what you want and I believe it would pose too much of a risk.  Having Jimmy Smith on the field does increase the chance of success but he's out for a while.

[Xmadraven]

Yeah.....Dean pees isn't horrible but we can do better that's why I wanted us to fire him last year and promote teryl austin (Current detroit lions coordinaor) and now the lions have a top 3 D.....Pees is bad with the secondary...no denying it. 

[Xmadraven]

I've often been described as a thinker. In fact, here's a little tidbit for you...peanut butter + jelly + bread = boom life changed. Thank me later. lol.

Bacon ranch+purple food dye+bread+burger=Key to taste bud heaven.

[HoldingCall]

After each team loss, the subject of Pees as DC has come up. We all know the defense at present time is questionable at CB and lacks depth to the point of using safeties as substitues. Schemes helps but the abilities of the available athletes are important too.

 

How many games have the Ravens played having at least two starting quality corners on the field together since Williams and Graham departed VS the number of games played with less than two starters on the field together.

I think Pees is doing a good job with the players available to him.  He's had to account for the loss starting CBs while lacking quality depth. Remember that Jimmy Smith went down in the first quarter of last week's game.

 

Please, also lets consider that webb is not fully back yet. So, after the Pittsburgh game there is a chance that we may be reading a lot more post about how bad Pees is.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

I don't think Rex would want to come back after he was not picked to be HC. Even if he did I think Steve does'nt want him as he seemed to be a polarizing personality in the locker room. He never really seemed to care for the offensive side of the ball. Granted we  had some tough years where Matt Stover was are offense but if the Ravens do make a change some new blood would be my preference. Just my opinion.

[ravensnick]

I don't want Rex back. See: Jets. The fact they still get lit up with that amazing d-line is sad.

[TDubbs]

I don't want Rex back. See: Jets. The fact they still get lit up with that amazing d-line is sad.

 

I don't think thats a fair reflection on Rex. They lack talent at almost every position and have terrible QB problems. Great D-Line yes, but they've taken away Cromartie/Revis and replaced them with a top 15 pick in Milliner who is out for the year. 

[K-Dog]

I don't think thats a fair reflection on Rex. They lack talent at almost every position

wait, wait, wait, wait.

 

Are you suggesting that in order for a HC, OC or DC to successfully do his job he has to have the appropriate amount of talent on the field !?!?!?!?!

Thats crazy talk.

[TDubbs]

wait, wait, wait, wait.

 

Are you suggesting that in order for a HD, OC or DC to successfully do his job he has to have the appropriate amount of talent on the field !?!?!?!?!

Thats crazy talk.

 

No no, I think its reasonable to expect the coaches to turn water into wine ... 

[K-Dog]

No no, I think its reasonable to expect the coaches to turn water into wine ... 

Or at least to be able to coach a girl scout to be a 100+ YPG running back ?