We need Rex Ryan back

[BirdWatcher]

How is this debate still going one?

Because every time it starts to die, some one bumps it up again. SMH!

[The Raven]

How is this debate still going one?

 

Because organized chaos and blitzing are the only ways to play Ravens football, of course.

[stampedehero]

Why does this topic keep surfacing? He has more exclusive opportunities than a D Co ordinator under John Harbaugh.  He took two Jets teams to the playoffs and his status is worth more than what mgmt will pay. He is interviewing with the Niners in one of the most cool cities and climate states in the country. Stop this already. Get over it.    

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Because organized chaos and blitzing are the only ways to play Ravens football, of course.

Respectfully, disagree and not necessarily for all those reasons.. Maybe it's just a little anticipation and anxiety that drives a dream that will never be possible. NOTE: Rex has said for the record that he's not remotely interested in being anything accept a head coach and he would take a much higher paying job in broadcasting until he finds himself in the right 'head coaching' job. Moreover; if we are thinking rationally, we know that this present Ravens defense is one of the best in the league and really dosen't need a make-over. Imagine this defense totally healthy. That's not to discredit Rex for all he did (he was instrumental for setting the pace along with M. Lewis and the rest) - but it's a credit to him for showing us the way and the F.O. bringing in coaches like Pees to continue and add to this defensive legacy for the new era of opposing offensives.

 

Rex is not going to appear with magical 'fairy dust' and lead us to the SB. So, why not go with what we have and are building and believe in that? If you can't...it's a mute point. To each his or her own, but I'm just going with what we have and what we have will get it done.

 

R-E-L-A-X. No matter what happens tonight - we'll get it done.

[arnie_uk]

I haven't read the thread but I'm almost certain everyone would take reX as the Def cord disregarding everything else. But in reality it ain't happening

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I haven't read the thread but I'm almost certain everyone would take reX as the Def cord disregarding everything else. But in reality it ain't happening

Exactly. Thanks for posting Arnie.

[The Raven]

Disagree. Not necessarily for those reasons for all. Maybe it's just a little anticipation and anxiety that drives a dream that will never be possible. Rex has said for the record that he's not remotely interested in being any accept a head coach and he would take a much higher paying job in broadcasting until he finds himself in the right 'head coaching' job. Moreover if we are thinking rationally we know that this present Ravens defense is one of the best in the league and don't need a make-over. That's not to discredit Rex for all he did (he was instrumental for setting the pace along with M. Lewis and the rest) - but it's a credit to him for showing us the way and the F.O. bringing in coaches like Pees to continue and add to this defensive legacy.

 

Rex is not going to appear with magical 'fairy dust' and lead us to the SB. So, why not go with what we have and believe in that? If you can't...it's a mute point. To each his or her own, but I'm just going with what we have and what we have will get it done.

 

R-E-L-A-X. No matter what happens tonight - we'll get it done.

 

I was being sarcastic

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I was being sarcastic

 

I was being sarcastic

Cool. I'm a little full from a great meal and company, but I have to submit to you: "Are you ready for some FOOTBALL?!!!"

[52520Andrew]

Ahem.....

2 beautiful back to back blitz packages by Pees in this game, just throwing that out there

[The Raven]

Outside of the bonehead call that was assigning Daryl Smith to cover Antonio Brown (which lead to an almost touchdown), Dean Pees called an as perfect of a game he could have called, especially given the circumstances. The defense made a complete 180 turnaround from the last time the Ravens visited Pittsburgh.

 

That my friend was zone coverage, can't put that on Pees.

[GrimCoconut]

I have to say, I think the players are finally buying into his system and actually executing his assignments. I am really really pleased with Pees. He's pretty spot-on in the playoffs, too. He's called great games. I wanted Horton and Romeo, but I think he's done a stellar job this season. He deserves to keep his job. 

[The Raven]

I have to say, I think the players are finally buying into his system and actually executing his assignments. I am really really pleased with Pees. He's pretty spot-on in the playoffs, too. He's called great games. I wanted Horton and Romeo, but I think he's done a stellar job this season. He deserves to keep his job. 

 

I think so too on the players buying the system. Though I do think he made some adjustments to make the players trust him more. He's running more press and he's letting guys shoot gaps more than I've ever seen him do.

[GrimCoconut]

I think so too on the players buying the system. Though I do think he made some adjustments to make the players trust him more. He's running more press and he's letting guys shoot gaps more than I've ever seen him do.

Yeah, I think it's a compromise of sorts, but regardless, he's really doing an excellent job. 

[PurpleCity5]

 

Yeah, I think it's a compromise of sorts, but regardless, he's really doing an excellent job. 

 

Exactly, I get some people were frustrated with the secondary but the man didn't have much to work with.

Welp. Will Hill and Rashan Melvin have been welcomed additions.

[757RavensFan]

Outside of the bonehead call that was assigning Daryl Smith to cover Antonio Brown (which lead to an almost touchdown), Dean Pees called an as perfect of a game he could have called, especially given the circumstances. The defense made a complete 180 turnaround from the last time the Ravens visited Pittsburgh.

Tampa Cover Two. ILB covers any receiver going up the middle with over the top help.

[757RavensFan]

Kudos to Spags the DB coach for making the most out of the DBs he's had to work with this season.

Also Brooks, our DL coach maybe on some team's radar for a DC position with the way our DL has played.

[Ravenslifer]

Considering the tape job we've had to work with at CB all season, basically beginning with Aaron Ross all the way back in the summer, Pees has done a phenomenal job.  For the most part, we've only lost to teams who've found a way to air it out on us - Really only the Steelers and Chargers scored all that much on us.  My one complaint with Pees is his defenses here in Baltimore seem to have a trend of giving up quick 4th quarter drives that end in points for the opponent.  And I think a lot of that this year can be blamed on the injuries in the secondary.

[rafahash]

Pees was absolutely amazing @ PIT yesterday. We don't need Rex back.

[ravensdfan]

I think so too on the players buying the system. Though I do think he made some adjustments to make the players trust him more. He's running more press and he's letting guys shoot gaps more than I've ever seen him do.

thank you. I just love how some try to act like he hasn't changed the way he's doing some things and it's magically working cuz it was the players.

 

when we fail it's the players, when we succeed it's oh where is the Pees love? can't have it both ways.

 

I wasn't sure tbh about the Smith coverage - either way - too soft a zone too early - other than that he called a more aggressive game and let the front 7 do their thing.

[Gordo52]

What we really need is a Pees appreciation thread...

I've never been a huge fan of a his but the job he's done this season is tremendous.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

As a matter of fact they do. Why else do you have a DC if not to coordinate the defense. That entails getting the right players to execute it. Like in a normal business they meet. They decode on who they can afford under the cap and who is available.

That's just how it works otherwise there is no need for a coaches and Ozzie can be the GM, HC, OC, DC, and so on. Honestly, you need to know what you're talking about before you utter the words "Let's be clear".

Reading an article today in the news section of this site on Trestman brought me back to this conversation.

Trestman was asked the type of receiver he prefers for his offense and his response is very poignant to this topic and your opinion regarding a coordinators role in player personnel decisions.

From the article: “I'm sure we'll talk about different types of players, but ultimately it's our job to coach the guys that Ozzie and John and our personnel department bring in,” Trestman said. “And I'm going to be excited to coach and develop whoever those guys are and certainly the guys that are there presently.”

Read it here: http://m.baltimoreravens.com/mediaItem.html?media-id=905185&media-type=N

Clearly Trestman, who's been a coordinator and position coach in the NFL for a very long time, clearly disagrees with your contention that part of his job is to select the players that fit his offense. He points to just the opposite - in line with what I tried to convince you - that his job is to adapt and build an offense around the skill sets and strengths of the players that Ozzie and the personnel department decide to bring in.

Like I said, and Trestman clarifies with his statements, coordinators (at least in Baltimore, and this conversation was always specific to how Baltimore handles personnel decisions) may be included in preliminary conversations about the "types" of players they'd like, but have little-to-no say when it comes to draft selection or FA acquisition of specific players.

Hope this ends that debate.

[jdynamite]

How can this thread still be hot, even after Rex got a new Gig lol.

[GrimCoconut]

How can this thread still be hot, even after Rex got a new Gig lol.

It evolved into a "Pees isn't the guy" thread and isn't necessarily about Rex anymore. Perhaps we need a name change.

I wish we could acquire the services of Wade Phillips, but that doesn't look likely. I'm content with Pees but I think we can still upgrade.

[TDubbs]

How can this thread still be hot, even after Rex got a new Gig lol.

 

The thread should be deleted, lol. I though for a brief moment we could get Rex back here as a DC, but considering the interest in him as HC it was foolish. That being said, I love him in Buffalo ... I think he can bring that team back into AFC East contention. 

[Tenacious Faulker]

Reading an article today in the news section of this site on Trestman brought me back to this conversation.

Trestman was asked the type of receiver he prefers for his offense and his response is very poignant to this topic and your opinion regarding a coordinators role in player personnel decisions.

From the article: “I'm sure we'll talk about different types of players, but ultimately it's our job to coach the guys that Ozzie and John and our personnel department bring in,” Trestman said. “And I'm going to be excited to coach and develop whoever those guys are and certainly the guys that are there presently.”

Read it here: http://m.baltimoreravens.com/mediaItem.html?media-id=905185&media-type=N

Clearly Trestman, who's been a coordinator and position coach in the NFL for a very long time, clearly disagrees with your contention that part of his job is to select the players that fit his offense. He points to just the opposite - in line with what I tried to convince you - that his job is to adapt and build an offense around the skill sets and strengths of the players that Ozzie and the personnel department decide to bring in.

Like I said, and Trestman clarifies with his statements, coordinators (at least in Baltimore, and this conversation was always specific to how Baltimore handles personnel decisions) may be included in preliminary conversations about the "types" of players they'd like, but have little-to-no say when it comes to draft selection or FA acquisition of specific players.

Hope this ends that debate.

I thought its been settled before.  Someone said that its a group effort and that is the case.  My original statement was a bit hamfisted.  The coordinators have input.  At time less, and others more.  Trestman is the new guy so he'll say things that are very PC.

[jdynamite]

It evolved into a "Pees isn't the guy" thread and isn't necessarily about Rex anymore. Perhaps we need a name change.

I wish we could acquire the services of Wade Phillips, but that doesn't look likely. I'm content with Pees but I think we can still upgrade.

Wade Phillips is a heck of a DC. Look at a few years ago when the Texans had bottom 5 defense, in one year Wade ( with the superhuman effort of JJ Watt ) turned that into a top 5 defense.

Pees just has those head-scratching moments at times like the playoff game ( when it feels like okay, make some adjustments get out the zone, mix it up with some press coverages here and there ).

Kind of like the Ngata Suspension was the best ( and worst ) thing to happen. ** Best ** it forced pees to get more creative with his personnel packages, and playcalling. McPhee and Jernigan benefited tremendously from this. We saw a change in blitzes, became more unpredictable during that 4 game span upfront. ***Worst** McPhee had basically became an after thought perhaps cooling him down as a FA, then he recorded 3.5 sacks, bunch of pressures, was used inside, outside and in coverage. ( all McPhee was missing was lining up at ILB and he could have been similar to Adalius Thomas during that stretch ).

[K-Dog]

WHY did this thread get bumped?

[BirdWatcher]

If you want to talk about Trestman, use the Trestman thread. If you want to talk about Pees, find the Pees thread.

This thread should have stayed dead.