Raven's Kryptonite?

[Orange_Peanut]

Marvin Lewis

Mike Pettine

Chuck Pagano

Jim Caldwell

Rex Ryan

 

What do all of these coaches have in common? Yes, they are all head coaches of another team, but more importantly, they are all former Ravens coaches during the Flacco Era. We have played 3 out of 5 of these coaches this year and our record is 1-3 against them (we also nearly lost to the Brown which would have made it 0-4). The teams with former Ravens coaches know all of Flacco’s tendencies and are scheming him and succeeding in doing so. Is Flacco too predictable? I have taken into account for the injuries we have suffered this year and the secondary’s recent struggles but look at these stats:

 

Flacco vs. Teams w/o Former Ravens Coaches: 12TD/2INT, 1 SCK, QBR Avg. 121.1

Flacco vs. Teams w/ Former Ravens Coaches: 2TD/5INT, 8 SCK, QBR Avg. 64.7

 

The QBR difference is crazy. You could obviously argue that teams like CIN, CLE, IND are better than teams like CAR, PIT, TAM and ATL but:

 

PIT > JAG > CLE

PIT > IND (beating as of now) > CIN = CAR

 

And we beat Pittsburgh and CAR single-handedly.

 

Call me crazy if I’m the only one seeing at this pattern.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Interesting stats

[The Raven]

I think it has less to do with them being former Raven coaches and a lot more to do with them being mastermind defensive coordinators. 

[beasy2487]

Marvin Lewis

Mike Pettine

Chuck Pagano

Jim Caldwell

Rex Ryan

What do all of these coaches have in common? Yes, they are all head coaches of another team, but more importantly, they are all former Ravens coaches during the Flacco Era. We have played 3 out of 5 of these coaches this year and our record is 1-3 against them (we also nearly lost to the Brown which would have made it 0-4). The teams with former Ravens coaches know all of Flacco’s tendencies and are scheming him and succeeding in doing so. Is Flacco too predictable? I have taken into account for the injuries we have suffered this year and the secondary’s recent struggles but look at these stats:

Flacco vs. Teams w/o Former Ravens Coaches: 12TD/2INT, 1 SCK, QBR Avg. 121.1

Flacco vs. Teams w/ Former Ravens Coaches: 2TD/5INT, 8 SCK, QBR Avg. 64.7

The QBR difference is crazy. You could obviously argue that teams like CIN, CLE, IND are better than teams like CAR, PIT, TAM and ATL but:

PIT > JAG > CLE

PIT > IND (beating as of now) > CIN = CAR

And we beat Pittsburgh and CAR single-handedly.

Call me crazy if I’m the only one seeing at this pattern.

Neither Pettine nor Lewis coached this team anywhere close to the Flacco era and Rex was here for his rookie year. I get you're mad but honestly what are you talking about?

[Orange_Peanut]

Neither Pettine nor Lewis coached this team anywhere close to the Flacco era and Rex was here for his rookie year. I get you're mad but honestly what are you talking about?

Pettine was and left with Rex and even if Rex was here for one year he still got an inside looks at Flacco. Only Lewis wasn't. What are u talking about.

[beasy2487]

Pettine was and left with Rex and even if Rex was here for one year he still got an inside looks at Flacco. Only Lewis wasn't. What are u talking about.

What I'm talking about is flawed logic. Of the 3 losses you're citing, two were to a head coach that left the Ravens when Flacco was in middle school. And the other two were here in his rookie year, in a run heavy offense that was completely different than the one we have now. Former Ravens head coaches are not "kryptonite" for Flacco. Head coaches with access to all-22 film that run any form of the cover 2 and have halfway decent defensive talent are. My point is you're shouting at ghosts and calling it science.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I think you may be on to something here. Good post. It's easy to downplay anything as superstition and/or coincidence, but then again...stats don't lie.

[Raving_Heathen]

two were to a head coach that left the Ravens when Flacco was in middle school.

 

Advance scouting.

 

Also how can we not include Jack del Rio if we're throwing in Marvin Lewis? He was the HC for the opposing team when Flacco had his arguably worst game ever.

[beasy2487]

Advance scouting.

Also how can we not include Jack del Rio if we're throwing in Marvin Lewis? He was the HC for the opposing team when Flacco had his arguably worst game ever.

Yea I think Flacco was jittery because he was worried somewhere in the world Ray Lewis was watching the game. And Ed Reed breaks down the game tape for Showtime so...boom that explains it.

[Orange_Peanut]

What I'm talking about is flawed logic. Of the 3 losses you're citing, two were to a head coach that left the Ravens when Flacco was in middle school. And the other two were here in his rookie year, in a run heavy offense that was completely different than the one we have now. Former Ravens head coaches are not "kryptonite" for Flacco. Head coaches with access to all-22 film that run any form of the cover 2 and have halfway decent defensive talent are. My point is you're shouting at ghosts and calling it science.

Flacco still practiced against Rex's defense in practice as a rook. Even though it was a run heavy offense, you mean to tell me that  even in practice they just ran the ball? All I'm saying is that Flacco is predictable or this all just a coincidence 

[redrum52]

Marvin wasn't here but I guess you could say the Jackson knows Flacco.

[beasy2487]

Flacco still practiced against Rex's defense in practice as a rook. Even though it was a run heavy offense, you mean to tell me that even in practice they just ran the ball? All I'm saying is that Flacco is predictable or this all just a coincidence

If you're doing the same things now that you were doing your first year then every coach in the NFL knows it. He struggles against the cover 2 and always has. If you want to say coaches in that system that have coached the Ravens have an advantage I'll give you that. I'll also give you that the sky is blue and a hot stove hurts when you touch it.

Flacco has difference-making talent but not difference-making technique. That's really all there is to it. Frankly I think we are seeing Joe hit his ceiling. We've proven we can win with him, but we need more talent at the skill positions to do so. We're a draft away imo.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Those DC's know how to jam & cover our WRs. Which isn't that hard to do when your receiving corp is down to Steve Smith, Kamar Aiken and Crockett Gillmore. (because Torrey is actually a liability with how poor his fundamentals are now)

[Cillmatic]

The Ravens only Kryponite is good teams. We haven't beaten a good team all year. When we beat the steelers and panthers they were sucking. Whenever we play a good team (Colts) or a above average team(Bengals) we get beat. We choke.

[hn68wb4]

and since when has Rex Ryan been kryptonite? we've never lost to the Jets since he's been there and we've lost to Pettine once last year by 3...thats krytonite?

those stats are pretty vague, if what you listed is what youre basing off of then thats not very sound, you'd be hard pressed to find a team in the NFL that doesn't have a guy that coached with the Ravens at some point

[beasy2487]

and since when has Rex Ryan been kryptonite? we've never lost to the Jets since he's been there and we've lost to Pettine once last year by 3...thats krytonite?

those stats are pretty vague, if what you listed is what youre basing off of then thats not very sound, you'd be hard pressed to find a team in the NFL that doesn't have a guy that coached with the Ravens at some point

It's science. Don't question it. There are stats. Lol.

[GrimCoconut]

We're our own kryptonite. /thread. Bengals didn't play well today. Didn't play well to open the season. Stupid execution combined with other factors really messed us up and cost us both games and the Indy game as well. We hiccup and fall on our face. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Marvin Lewis

Mike Pettine

Chuck Pagano

Jim Caldwell

Rex Ryan

 

What do all of these coaches have in common? Yes, they are all head coaches of another team, but more importantly, they are all former Ravens coaches during the Flacco Era. We have played 3 out of 5 of these coaches this year and our record is 1-3 against them (we also nearly lost to the Brown which would have made it 0-4). The teams with former Ravens coaches know all of Flacco’s tendencies and are scheming him and succeeding in doing so. Is Flacco too predictable? I have taken into account for the injuries we have suffered this year and the secondary’s recent struggles but look at these stats:

 

Flacco vs. Teams w/o Former Ravens Coaches: 12TD/2INT, 1 SCK, QBR Avg. 121.1

Flacco vs. Teams w/ Former Ravens Coaches: 2TD/5INT, 8 SCK, QBR Avg. 64.7

 

The QBR difference is crazy. You could obviously argue that teams like CIN, CLE, IND are better than teams like CAR, PIT, TAM and ATL but:

 

PIT > JAG > CLE

PIT > IND (beating as of now) > CIN = CAR

 

And we beat Pittsburgh and CAR single-handedly.

 

Call me crazy if I’m the only one seeing at this pattern.

Nice attempt but the only three that matter are the former coaches we've played this year, which incidentally includes Mike Smith of Atlanta.  Do your stats include Flacco's rating in the Atlanta game in the QBR stats against teams with former Ravens coaches? Arguably, the Pittsburgh Steelers coaching staff knows more about Joe's tendencies than any of the other teams with the possible exception of Marvin Lewis and Hue Jackson. If you include the Pittsburgh and Atlanta games that we won, our record against past Ravens coaches and/or Pittsburgh coaches is 3-3. That's why statistics are for losers. The only statistics that count are Ws and Ls. Joe just had a bad game today period and without some help from his supporting cast it will be a long night next week in Pittsburgh. I'm afraid we are who we appear to be, that is, a team that's a little bit better than average. A 9-7 record is now well within the realm of possibility unless several key position players rise to the occasion in the second half of the season. Clearly, this is not the team any of us expected it to be,

 

I do agree with you that we do not seem to fare well against teams coached by former Ravens coaches in general. A case in point was the Indy game where Chuck Pagano seemed to have our number. It was a bad match-up from the gitgo. I just think your statistics are flawed.

[Alaska Alaska!]

The Ravens only Kryponite is good teams. We haven't beaten a good team all year. When we beat the steelers and panthers they were sucking. Whenever we play a good team (Colts) or a above average team(Bengals) we get beat. We choke.

The Bengals haven't beaten anyway good either. 

[PoeDinkum]

The Bengals haven't beaten anyway good either. 

Ouch.

[Alaska Alaska!]

Ouch.

Asides from us of course LOL  

[52520Andrew]

Interesting theory but I need more of a sample size before I buy into it, what are Flacco's stats against those guys last year and the year before?

[Orange_Peanut]

Nice attempt but the only three that matter are the former coaches we've played this year, which incidentally includes Mike Smith of Atlanta.  Do your stats include Flacco's rating in the Atlanta game in the QBR stats against teams with former Ravens coaches? Arguably, the Pittsburgh Steelers coaching staff knows more about Joe's tendencies than any of the other teams with the possible exception of Marvin Lewis and Hue Jackson. If you include the Pittsburgh and Atlanta games that we won, our record against past Ravens coaches and/or Pittsburgh coaches is 3-3. That's why statistics are for losers. The only statistics that count are Ws and Ls. Joe just had a bad game today period and without some help from his supporting cast it will be a long night next week in Pittsburgh. I'm afraid we are who we appear to be, that is, a team that's a little bit better than average. A 9-7 record is now well within the realm of possibility unless several key position players rise to the occasion in the second half of the season. Clearly, this is not the team any of us expected it to be,

 

I do agree with you that we do not seem to fare well against teams coached by former Ravens coaches in general. A case in point was the Indy game where Chuck Pagano seemed to have our number. It was a bad match-up from the gitgo. I just think your statistics are flawed.

Oh, nice catch. I didn't count Mike Smith but in the Falcon game Flacco was picked twice making his TD/INT ratio 4/7 and 9 SCK. Obviously his passer rating against these teams would be higher though.