Official Vent thread vs Bengals

[ravensdfan]

So, if we sweep a team we're better than them but if they sweep us, we're still better than them?

 

@Mili

 

So if we win Sunday night and sweep the Steelers, but they are the ones holding the Lombardi in February, are we the better team because we swept them?

 

The Bengals were the better team on Sunday. That does not make them the better team overall.

[Militant X 1]

So if we win Sunday night and sweep the Steelers, but they are the ones holding the Lombardi in February, are we the better team because we swept them?

 

The Bengals were the better team on Sunday. That does not make them the better team overall.

And the Bengals were the better team on opening day in Baltimore this season and in the last game in Cinci last season.  Yep!  To me, they are the better team!  The Ravens haven't done anything in 3 contests against them to prove otherwise in my eyes cause all 3 of those recent contests resulted in the same thing; a "L" for the Ravens.

 

@Mili

[Fred Sanford]

Phew, plenty of blame to go around in this game. 

 

First, the positives: O-line played well other than a few free runners on blitzes.  Run-blocking was solid.  Forsett and especially Taliaferro got theirs.  Crockett Gilmore did well overall in blocking and had two good catches.  Ngata and Brandon Williams continued to do well.  Daryl Smith was very physical and had his best game of the year.  Webb still isn't himself but played one of his better games.  Elam's strip of Sanu, like his strip of Ahmad Bradshaw vs. the Colts, was a great play.  Jacoby couldn't even get separation on the deep ball to him, which is traditionally the one thing he does well, and very well at that.

 

Negative:  Joe was way off.  His deep ball, particularly the one to an open Kamar Aiken, was off.  Every deep ball was overthrown, except the Steve Smith one which if thrown earlier in stride would've left OPI a moot point. 

 

Aiken should've obviously caught that touchdown. 

 

Elam's tackling was horrific, as usual.  When a guy is a liability covering deep AND playing near the line of scrimmage and tackling, he's becoming a major problem. 

 

Torrey is in a hangdog mood, the guy has zero fire and fight in him, particularly of late.  The dude needs to put his personal issues aside and realize that Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Ray Lewis, all the greats in NFL history are great because of that fire, intensity, and competitiveness. 

 

I've liked Terrence Brooks but that inability to locate and play the ball against Sanu was awful.  Franks is what he is, withering duct tape, we shouldn't really expect more from the likes of him or Chykie Brown. 

 

The final negative is the bum referee crew for ignoring them clobbering Torrey in the head, and a Side Judge looking at the play behind Steve Smith's back and buying Iloka's used car salesman huckstering.  He should've realized he didn't have the angle and deferred on a game-altering play like refs are told to.  Instead he pulled a "I SAW THAT GUY FALL AND STEVE SMITH'S HANDS GO OUT, THAT'S OPI!"  I want some wisdom from my referees and understanding of how players try to game the system, not such a dumb, doe-eyed response.  Soccer refs will actually penalize players for flopping because they're cynical and know how people think when they're beaten and try to manipulate the refs.  Iloka had no clue what he was doing, didn't turn, and overran the play like #31 Brooks did vs. Sanu.  Give #89 some credit, he played the ball and Iloka didn't.  The "down the middle" replay shows how ridiculous calling OPI is.

[Cillmatic]

We just go outclassed, the Bengals are a better team than us.

[orangle123]

Guys, can we get something straight.  I'm not saying "I know we lost, but...", and I'm not a blind fan, we simply need to realize this.  Week one, we lost because our defense was good but our offense was WAY messed up, we were not prepared with a COMPLETELY NEW OFFENSIVE SCHEME.  It was obvious our receivers were not ready, do you remember how many wrong routes were run that game?  And honestly, injuries WRECKED us this game.  One of the leagues best CB's, out after the first drive.  BOTH OF OUR STARTING TIGHT ENDS WERE OUT!!!!!  Guys, that's a BIG deal.  We have two pro bowl caliber tight ends (I say caliber and not "pro bowl" because despite not going to the pro bowl, both have made appearances on the player voted "Top 100").  Were they better than us last time we met?  Yes, our offense couldn't perform because of lack of preparedness with a new offense never before run in Baltimore.  Were they the better team this last Sunday?   Yes, because again, our offense couldn't perform because of no TE's whatsoever and a banged up (albeit, not technically "injured") line, in conjunction with Jimmy out after the first drive, which to me nullifies AJ Green being out.  I'm not saying we are the clear cut better team, but it's damn close, and none of you who say "the Bengals are better, end of story." seem to acknowledge that...

[berad]

I followed the Ravens from Cleveland.  Wasn't sure if the Browns would get another team.

 

I'm starting to second guess myself.

 

Regardless of this game and the calls, I have to admit that John Harbaugh AND his brother, are, without a doubt, the biggest cry baby coaches in the league.

 

I've rarely seen a call that goes against the Ravens that John isn't crying like a little girl!

 

Plus, outside of Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Thugs, I'm not so sure John wouldn't give up his marriage and family to win a football game, like Jimmy Johnson did with the Cowboys!

 

Getting a little sick of it!!

 

19 years and 2 championships later? Yup, totally believe that.

[rmcjacket23]

So if we win Sunday night and sweep the Steelers, but they are the ones holding the Lombardi in February, are we the better team because we swept them?

 

The Bengals were the better team on Sunday. That does not make them the better team overall.

They've been the better team on TWO Sunday's not just one.

 

And ultimately, the best team in the NFL doesn't always win the Lombardi...

[rmcjacket23]

Guys, can we get something straight.  I'm not saying "I know we lost, but...", and I'm not a blind fan, we simply need to realize this.  Week one, we lost because our defense was good but our offense was WAY messed up, we were not prepared with a COMPLETELY NEW OFFENSIVE SCHEME.  It was obvious our receivers were not ready, do you remember how many wrong routes were run that game?  And honestly, injuries WRECKED us this game.  One of the leagues best CB's, out after the first drive.  BOTH OF OUR STARTING TIGHT ENDS WERE OUT!!!!!  Guys, that's a BIG deal.  We have two pro bowl caliber tight ends (I say caliber and not "pro bowl" because despite not going to the pro bowl, both have made appearances on the player voted "Top 100").  Were they better than us last time we met?  Yes, our offense couldn't perform because of lack of preparedness with a new offense never before run in Baltimore.  Were they the better team this last Sunday?   Yes, because again, our offense couldn't perform because of no TE's whatsoever and a banged up (albeit, not technically "injured") line, in conjunction with Jimmy out after the first drive, which to me nullifies AJ Green being out.  I'm not saying we are the clear cut better team, but it's damn close, and none of you who say "the Bengals are better, end of story." seem to acknowledge that...

AJ Green, the single most vital player on that offense, didn't play in this game.

 

Injuries are crutches. Good teams overcome them, and bad teams use them as an excuse for why they lost.

 

See the 2012 Baltimore Ravens.

[pitchblack_20]

Phew, plenty of blame to go around in this game.

First, the positives: O-line played well other than a few free runners on blitzes. Run-blocking was solid. Forsett and especially Taliaferro got theirs. Crockett Gilmore did well overall in blocking and had two good catches. Ngata and Brandon Williams continued to do well. Daryl Smith was very physical and had his best game of the year. Webb still isn't himself but played one of his better games. Elam's strip of Sanu, like his strip of Ahmad Bradshaw vs. the Colts, was a great play. Jacoby couldn't even get separation on the deep ball to him, which is traditionally the one thing he does well, and very well at that.

Negative: Joe was way off. His deep ball, particularly the one to an open Kamar Aiken, was off. Every deep ball was overthrown, except the Steve Smith one which if thrown earlier in stride would've left OPI a moot point.

Aiken should've obviously caught that touchdown.

Elam's tackling was horrific, as usual. When a guy is a liability covering deep AND playing near the line of scrimmage and tackling, he's becoming a major problem.

Torrey is in a hangdog mood, the guy has zero fire and fight in him, particularly of late. The dude needs to put his personal issues aside and realize that Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Ray Lewis, all the greats in NFL history are great because of that fire, intensity, and competitiveness.

I've liked Terrence Brooks but that inability to locate and play the ball against Sanu was awful. Franks is what he is, withering duct tape, we shouldn't really expect more from the likes of him or Chykie Brown.

The final negative is the bum referee crew for ignoring them clobbering Torrey in the head, and a Side Judge looking at the play behind Steve Smith's back and buying Iloka's used car salesman huckstering. He should've realized he didn't have the angle and deferred on a game-altering play like refs are told to. Instead he pulled a "I SAW THAT GUY FALL AND STEVE SMITH'S HANDS GO OUT, THAT'S OPI!" I want some wisdom from my referees and understanding of how players try to game the system, not such a dumb, doe-eyed response. Soccer refs will actually penalize players for flopping because they're cynical and know how people think when they're beaten and try to manipulate the refs. Iloka had no clue what he was doing, didn't turn, and overran the play like #31 Brooks did vs. Sanu. Give #89 some credit, he played the ball and Iloka didn't. The "down the middle" replay shows how ridiculous calling OPI is.

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[Static]

Any ref worth their salt knows that it isn't their place to decide games. Yet that seemed to go out the window on Sunday.

[HoldingCall]

I was really surprised when the Bengals got inside the 5 then just pushed the DL into the endzone for TDs. I thought the DL would hold but again I was surprised.

[The Raven]

Any ref worth their salt knows that it isn't their place to decide games. Yet that seemed to go out the window on Sunday.

 

Well, it is their place, actually. Their job is to enforce the rules, and if the rules are violated, well so be it.

 

What if Daniels was targeted for a touchdown but the safety committed DPI and we lost? Is it then the ref's place to decide games? 

 

This whole nonsense about the refs "deciding games" is... well... nonsense. They enforce the rules. If the players follow the rules, refs won't decide games. Freaking simple as that. Come on!

[Gordo52]

IMO, we're still the best team in the division. For me, records don't always indicate the better team.... Same as stats not always indicating better players. 2 games don't define a team. Remember the Raiders swept their division in 2010 but still finished 3rd? Rare case, but that's my point.

Coulda/woulda/shoulda, whatever, I know, but we could've easily won those two games vs Cincy. We didn't, and the Bengals deserve their credit. They're a great team as well but there's still a lot more football to be played. If we lose because of H2H record, so be it, we deserve it, obviously. But no one is wrong in believing one side or the other.

[jazz1988]

I was really surprised when the Bengals got inside the 5 then just pushed the DL into the endzone for TDs. I thought the DL would hold but again I was surprised.

 

Pees didn't have our defense set up for stoping the run .Our entire defensive line or players in general were prepared for the pass and Dalton must have figured that out and audible to a quarterback sneak.

[Tank 92]

Well, it is their place, actually. Their job is to enforce the rules, and if the rules are violated, well so be it.

 

What if Daniels was targeted for a touchdown but the safety committed DPI and we lost? Is it then the ref's place to decide games? 

 

This whole nonsense about the refs "deciding games" is... well... nonsense. They enforce the rules. If the players follow the rules, refs won't decide games. Freaking simple as that. Come on!

I bet if you think about this you'll realize you're wrong. In all sports the refs tend to let things go at the end of the game that would otherwise be called, especially penalties, fouls, etc. that are not blatant and clear cut. "Swallowing the whistle", "keeping the flags in the pocket", etc. is pretty much an accepted practice in all sports. It's an unwritten rule that if at all possible, refs are not to decide the outcome late in a game. You could watch football for 20 years and not see the type of call that was made Sunday.

[BmoreBird22]

I bet if you think about this you'll realize you're wrong. In all sports the refs tend to let things go at the end of the game that would otherwise be called, especially penalties, fouls, etc. that are not blatant and clear cut. "Swallowing the whistle", "keeping the flags in the pocket", etc. is pretty much an accepted practice in all sports. It's an unwritten rule that if at all possible, refs are not to decide the outcome late in a game. You could watch football for 20 years and not see the type of call that was made Sunday.

Well, he played college football, so I'm sure he's seen plenty of calls like that. I agree with him. It's the referees job to call a flag. Sure, we the fans would love to see the players play and have this idea that if something borderline isn't called, it's because the refs don't want to call it. They're job is still to call the penalties, and given that they're not supposed to have a rooting interest due to fandom, they have no reason not to call a flag

[Tank 92]

Well, he played college football, so I'm sure he's seen plenty of calls like that. I agree with him. It's the referees job to call a flag. Sure, we the fans would love to see the players play and have this idea that if something borderline isn't called, it's because the refs don't want to call it. They're job is still to call the penalties, and given that they're not supposed to have a rooting interest due to fandom, they have no reason not to call a flag

Seems we may watch different sports and games. lol And with all due respect, playing college football really has nothing to do with seeing that happen more often than anyone else.

Sure it's their job, but ticky tack calls that change the outcome late in the game generally are just not called. Period.

[stampedehero]

I'm going to come back and vent later.  Right now I need to get away from all of my expensive things.  Those refs?  I hope they all have an awful dinner tonight.

Yea  I hope they get diarea for weeks because they remind me of that element.   The first game with Cincy, Steve body slammed his defender and in this one he gets the end result of bad acting.

[stampedehero]

Seems we may watch different sports and games. lol And with all due respect, playing college football really has nothing to do with seeing that happen more often than anyone else.

Sure it's their job, but ticky tack calls that change the outcome of the game generally are just not called. Period.

My good friend at work who is a Pats fan observed that we got robbed.

[stampedehero]

Pees didn't have our defense set up for stoping the run .Our entire defensive line or players in general were prepared for the pass and Dalton must have figured that out and audible to a quarterback sneak.

We lost the game when Elam took snaps in the last minute.   Do you blame Pees or the horrible tackling Elam exibited.

[Tank 92]

My good friend at work who is a Pats fan observed that we got robbed.

Yeah, I'm a well known as a ravenmaniac at work and had a few coworkers who are not fans say we got the shaft. Oh well, can't be changed, but it still bites.

[stampedehero]

nice

All of what you said is the Book.  Well Done.    

[jazz1988]

We lost the game when Elam took snaps in the last minute.   Do you blame Pees or the horrible tackling Elam exibited.

 

We lost the game  once Brooks allow that 50 yard catch by Sanu in my opinion. I blame Pees alot more .

[BmoreBird22]

Seems we may watch different sports and games. lol And with all due respect, playing college football really has nothing to do with seeing that happen more often than anyone else.

Sure it's their job, but ticky tack calls that change the outcome late in the game generally are just not called. Period.

It doesn't mean he'll see them more, but he's had more time to a) be on the field when it happens and get into the line of thinking of a referee.

 

They'll call a penalty if a penalty is due

[HoldingCall]

Pees didn't have our defense set up for stoping the run .Our entire defensive line or players in general were prepared for the pass and Dalton must have figured that out and audible to a quarterback sneak.

Then they made the same mistake twice.

[jazz1988]

Then they made the same mistake twice.

Yeah but even I thought they was going to go for the pass and I didn't think they were going to take a chance at a quarterback sneak or run the ball on fourth down especially not against our stout defensive line but Dalton just made a gutsy call  and it turn out to be the right one.

[HoldingCall]

 

Yeah but even I thought they was going to go for the pass and I didn't think they were going to take a chance at a quarterback sneak or run the ball on fourth down especially not against our stout defensive line but Dalton just made a gutsy call  and it turn out to be the right one.

 

 

 

Yeah but even I thought they was going to go for the pass and I didn't think they were going to take a chance at a quarterback sneak or run the ball on fourth down especially not against our stout defensive line but Dalton just made a gutsy call  and it turn out to be the right one.

 

I thought they would continue to run until stopped and they did continue. They won the red-zone line battles.

[ravensdfan]

We lost the game when Elam took snaps in the last minute.   Do you blame Pees or the horrible tackling Elam exibited.

 

Both. Why did Hill only see 12 snaps?

[Underdogsontop!]

Only thing can make me feel better from this game is a good effort win against the steelers this Sunday!

[PurpleCorsair]

We lost the game  once Brooks allow that 50 yard catch by Sanu in my opinion. I blame Pees alot more .

Cover 2 zone, Franks played the sticks, Dalton scrambles. That is not on Pees, that is on Brooks entirely.