Is Joe Flacco Becoming a Good QB?

[3-4ravdef509]

I feel like Groundhog Day. I read somewhere that of Joe's 7 INTs, 6 were on passes to Torrey. I haven't seen that confirmed, though. If true, it's one of those stats that make me go "hmmmmmm".

 

Week 1 - 1 interception, pass intended for Owen Daniel, Flacco late coming back to the flat for the dump off

 

Week 3 - 1 interception, pass was intended for Torrey but Joe was hit as he threw which was the biggest reason for the interception, the ball just fluttered up there

 

Week 5 - 1 interception, intended for Torrey but not sure Torrey's fault, just bad throw by Joe

 

Week 7 - 2 int, 1 intended for Torrey clearly his fault, the other intended for Daniels, but the play before Torrey dropped a sure Touchdown

 

Week 8 - 2 int, both intended for Torrey, though I think Joe can be faulted for the first one Torrey should have come back for the ball.

[I AM LEGEND]

Out of the top 8-9 QBs in the league...Only Eli has worse looking games then Flacco.

Flacco's "BAD" is award winning "BAD"...

His inconsistency use to be game to game....now its series to series. I guess that's better right?

I think we all love our chances with Flacco in the playoffs....but ive also said that the minute Ray and Ed left that the playoffs aren't a given anymore. So if Joe wants to flex his Playoff muscles like he did with those guys, hes gonna have to LEAD this team more then what he did those first 5 years.

[3-4ravdef509]

Out of the top 8-9 QBs in the league...Only Eli has worse looking games then Flacco.

Flacco's "BAD" is award winning "BAD"...

His inconsistency use to be game to game....now its series to series. I guess that's better right?

I think we all love our chances with Flacco in the playoffs....but ive also said that the minute Ray and Ed left that the playoffs aren't a given anymore. So if Joe wants to flex his Playoff muscles like he did with those guys, hes gonna have to LEAD this team more then what he did those first 5 years.

I agree, but much of what happened yesterday was out of his control

You can't have your quarterback running for his life and not having anyone get open to throw the ball to. It just doesn't work no matter who your quarterback is.

[I AM LEGEND]

I agree, but much of what happened yesterday was out of his control

You can't have your quarterback running for his life and not having anyone get open to throw the ball to. It just doesn't work no matter who your quarterback is.

Couldnt disagree more.

I thought Flacco had more than ample time to throw the football yesterday...

And how could yesterdays game be out of his control when he was single handedly responsible for giving Cincinnati 10pts.

The whole he was running for his life and no seperation excuse is so 2013-14. Flacco had time he just didnt get the job done.

[3-4ravdef509]

Couldnt disagree more.

I thought Flacco had more than ample time to throw the football yesterday...

And how could yesterdays game be out of his control when he was single handedly responsible for giving Cincinnati 10pts.

The whole he was running for his life and no seperation excuse is so 2013-14. Flacco had time he just didnt get the job done.

 

Were you at the game?

 

Receivers not named Smith Sr, and even him, could not get open. Usually when they did get open Flacco had a pocket collapsing around him or a free blitzer coming right at him. At least 6-8 times yesterday Flacco ran around for 8+ seconds before giving up and just throwing it into the stands because of immediate pressure. 

 

The defense did a good job of forcing Joe to the opposite side he wanted to throw to. 

 

That's where some fair criticism comes in - Joe's not elite at using his eyes to fool defenses and part of that is the WCO, a good defense that reads and reacts quickly can force you to  hold the ball too long till  the pass rush gets there.

 

A few times that receivers got open, Joe missed them either with his throws or just not seeing them.

 

Overall, not his best game, like I said originally I agreed with the assessment you made of him playing bad, but even playing well would have not resulted in much.

 

Can you really blame 7 of those 10 points on Joe? Torrey got mugged and concussed and Joe was anticipating the route.

 

So when Joe makes quick decisive throws it's his fault, and when he holds on to the ball for too long because he's waiting to physically see the receivers get open it's also his fault?

[Ravenseconbeast]

0TD, 2INT, and hoping for hail mary miracle.

We cant pay avg QB 29m. If he wants to take a major paycut as a avg QB, then keep him. If he does not, then we cant stick w/ his future contract.

If worse comes to worse, pls get to some senses and lets move on from this guy. He is good at times and atrcious like this another week. He is inconsistent. This is as best Joe is ever going to get. His not going to 'grow' anymore than what he is now.

[3-4ravdef509]

0TD, 2INT, and hoping for hail mary miracle.

We cant pay avg QB 29m. If he wants to take a major paycut as a avg QB, then keep him. If he does not, then we cant stick w/ his future contract.

If worse comes to worse, pls get to some senses and lets move on from this guy. He is good at times and atrcious like this another week. He is inconsistent. This is as best Joe is ever going to get. His not going to 'grow' anymore than what he is now.

 

If I responded the way I want to the mods would have a field day with me.

 

Basic football knowledge dictates that the way Joe's contract is structured, he is never gonna see the actual pay amounts years 4-6 amount to, rather they will get restructured into a new 6 year contract. 

 

All that matters in guaranteed money in the end, which was like 50 million.

 

And the next one will likely be guaranteed the same amount.

 

Stop focusing on the pay amount. We're not getting ripped off. Criticize Joe's performance, I have no problem with that, but sounding off about his contract is pointless and misinformed.

 

And forgive me if I don't have the same crystal ball you do that says Joe will never play better, I can't see it. All I can see is the 11 td 0 int he threw in the post season a couple years ago with a ring and Super Bowl MVP award that tells me Joe can play better when the offense around him performs at a consistent level.

[Rinbee]

Foles also threw 2 INTs today - and lost.

So did Rodgers, for that matter. Drew Brees threw 3 against TAMPA BAY.

 

Sheesh, you guys act like Joe's the only one to occasionally make an errant throw or have an off day.

 

It's more than occasionally.  At least not as often as the elite QB's

[3-4ravdef509]

It's more than occasionally. At least not as often as the elite QB's

I seriously doubt that.

Sides from last year, Joe typically has had very few multi interception games a year, on par or even less than other qbs

[codizzle]

Ausman 2012- "Joe will never win us a Super Bowl.

Ausman 2014- "Joe will never win us ANOTHER Super Bowl."

+35000000000000

[codizzle]

Couldnt disagree more.

I thought Flacco had more than ample time to throw the football yesterday...

And how could yesterdays game be out of his control when he was single handedly responsible for giving Cincinnati 10pts.

The whole he was running for his life and no seperation excuse is so 2013-14. Flacco had time he just didnt get the job done.

Hahaha clearly not watching the same game as every one else

[Alaska Alaska!]

Couldnt disagree more.

I thought Flacco had more than ample time to throw the football yesterday...

And how could yesterdays game be out of his control when he was single handedly responsible for giving Cincinnati 10pts.

The whole he was running for his life and no seperation excuse is so 2013-14. Flacco had time he just didnt get the job done.

Flacco can have all the time in the world.  If the receivers aren't open then it doesn't matter how much time he has.  I rather him keep scrambling around than force passes to un-open receivers that lead to INT. 

[Alaska Alaska!]

It's more than occasionally.  At least not as often as the elite QB's

Instead of making up false assumptions, how bout providing actual stats?  They're not hard to obtain in this day and age. 

[Tank 92]

Couldnt disagree more.

I thought Flacco had more than ample time to throw the football yesterday...

And how could yesterdays game be out of his control when he was single handedly responsible for giving Cincinnati 10pts.

The whole he was running for his life and no seperation excuse is so 2013-14. Flacco had time he just didnt get the job done.

 

 

This ain't right. He had defenders in his face every pass play other than the roll outs. That said, Flacco did not have a good game(news flash; it happens!) but didn't cost us the win. The TOs evened out at the end.  If you have a 4 point lead with 3 minutes left you're supposed to win.

[3-4ravdef509]

This ain't right. He had defenders in his face every pass play other than the roll outs. That said, Flacco did not have a good game(news flash; it happens!) but didn't cost us the win. The TOs evened out at the end. If you have a 4 point lead with 3 minutes left you're supposed to win.

even had guys in his face on roll outs !! Lol

[Tank 92]

even had guys in his face on roll outs !! Lol

 

 

And I hate to play the "what if " game, but if Aiken catches the 4th down TD it completely changes the complexion of the game.

[Alaska Alaska!]

And I hate to play the "what if " game, but if Aiken catches the 4th down TD it completely changes the complexion of the game.

I got another what if.  In the Bengals last drive, Mosley was closing in on Dalton.  Literally was a an arm length's away from sacking him and stopping that deep completion to Sanu.  Definitely not blaming Mosley, but after that play I kept saying "If only he was a second earlier"

[Tru11]

flacco usually has bad games playing in cincy.

 

why people are acting suprised is beyond me.

 

his biggest knock is his inconsistency.

 

after a few good games it was bound to happen lol

[Bobby]

Joe did not have his best game - but it was a winnable game.  For every "Joe lost the game because..." there is a "the defense lost the game because" and the "receivers lost the game because" statement to be made.  

 

Say what you want about Joe, but I love his leadership and the way he mans up and takes responsibility when he has a bad game.  He NEVER blames someone else and said yesterday that he put the defense is some bad spots.  Our team sticks together and hopefully we can go into the Burgh next week and break some black and gold hearts...

[StingerNLG]

If he plays up the entire game he doesn't need the final drive.

 

If we're going that route, if Kamar Aiken catches that perfectly thrown ball in the endzone on 4th and a foot he doesn't need the final drive either.

 

If we're going that route, if the defense doesn't let Andy Dalton drive 80 yards downfield and get a TOUCHDOWN he doesn't need the final drive either.

 

Flacco isn't the sole issue in this game.

[Static]

Like any other QB would do better with our terrible receivers.

Peyton Manning has thrown at HoFers and Probowlers his whole career.

Flacco has a bunch of Houdini magicians for targets.

[rmcjacket23]

I actually think its a combination of both of what people are saying... Flacco had time to throw, just nobody got open. He faced a TON of "coverage" pressure. The first and second options in the passing attack were taken away often, and by the time you get to a 3rd or 4th read in this league, time is up. OL's just aren't going to hold up for five seconds waiting for receivers to get open... its just not a realistic possibility.

 

Was it one of the OLs best games? No, but frankly, they were probably better than they were last week against Atlanta.

[Static]

As we know Flacco is a gunslinger. He will squeeze it in space. So the fact that he had to go through all his options multiple times is very very telling.

You could tell by body language he was going through his reads with his ready to throw footwork. But there was nothing there.

[ravensdfan]

If I responded the way I want to the mods would have a field day with me.

 

Basic football knowledge dictates that the way Joe's contract is structured, he is never gonna see the actual pay amounts years 4-6 amount to, rather they will get restructured into a new 6 year contract. 

 

All that matters in guaranteed money in the end, which was like 50 million.

 

And the next one will likely be guaranteed the same amount.

 

Stop focusing on the pay amount. We're not getting ripped off. Criticize Joe's performance, I have no problem with that, but sounding off about his contract is pointless and misinformed.

 

And forgive me if I don't have the same crystal ball you do that says Joe will never play better, I can't see it. All I can see is the 11 td 0 int he threw in the post season a couple years ago with a ring and Super Bowl MVP award that tells me Joe can play better when the offense around him performs at a consistent level.

 

I ignore that one now. He's joined the over the top FHC members.

 

Then turns around and is a Pees' apologist. It is kind of comical.

 

Our receiving corps is a joke outside of Smith Sr. right now. Daniels is good, and better than the rest of our group, but still slower than the Daniels of old. Not one of our guys can get separation outside of Smith Sr  - this is not a new issue. Torrey NEVER fights for any pass at all and his route running is horrid.

 

I like what I've seen so far from Aiken & Camp. Camp is a fighter and will go get that ball. Aiken too but his timing with Joe isn't spot on just yet.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

The first pick was ugly but that second pick wasn't Joe's Fault.He was throwing to a spot and Torrey got knocked off his route.Also,Doom made his presence known today.He drew about 2 or 3 holding penalties on Smith.And why on earth are you saying bye to Harbaugh???

Talk is cheap. It takes real men to play football. How many of their receivers were knocked off their

routes? Torrey is getting softer and softer by the week. So, Elvis drew two holding penalties. Whoopy! He hasn't exactly filled Jarret Johnson's or Paul Krueger's shoes, now has he? How many sacks did he have in a key divisional matchup, dude?

Coach Harbaugh doesn't walk the talk. He said to the media two weeks ago that maybe he needs to

rethink his aggressive decisions to go for it on 4th and ones because the

team hasn't earned the right to go for it. Not having Tucker kick the early FG in the 1st half is

vintage Forrest Gump --- Stupid is as stupid does. He hasn't learned from his mistakes of the past or his ego is to large. A great coach leaves his ego at the door when it comes time to make decisions. I do give him credit for benching Pierce. Pierce is not hungry. Neither is Torrey. Also, Harbaugh

doesn't stand up for his players. He should have been livid when Joe's helmet was ripped off and no

penalty was called. Instead, he stood on the sidelines with the same bewildered and confused look he always has. The coach must exude confidence on the sidelines. Remember Lombardi, Landry, Shula &

Gibbs just to name a few. John's a good coach but he'll never be a great coach. Again, talk is cheap. A great leader leads by example. I hear the University of Michigan is recruiting him. Sounds like a good match to me.

[rmcjacket23]

Talk is cheap. It takes real men to play football. How many of their receivers were knocked off their

routes? Torrey is getting softer and softer by the week. So, Elvis drew two holding penalties. Whoopy! He hasn't exactly filled Jarret Johnson's or Paul Krueger's shoes, now has he? How many sacks did he have in a key divisional matchup, dude?

Coach Harbaugh doesn't walk the talk. He said to the media two weeks ago that maybe he needs to

rethink his aggressive decisions to go for it on 4th and ones because the

team hasn't earned the right to go for it. Not having Tucker kick the early FG in the 1st half is

vintage Forrest Gump --- Stupid is as stupid does. He hasn't learned from his mistakes of the past or his ego is to large. A great coach leaves his ego at the door when it comes time to make decisions. I do give him credit for benching Pierce. Pierce is not hungry. Neither is Torrey. Also, Harbaugh

doesn't stand up for his players. He should have been livid when Joe's helmet was ripped off and no

penalty was called. Instead, he stood on the sidelines with the same bewildered and confused look he always has. The coach must exude confidence on the sidelines. Remember Lombardi, Landry, Shula &

Gibbs just to name a few. John's a good coach but he'll never be a great coach. Again, talk is cheap. A great leader leads by example. I hear the University of Michigan is recruiting him. Sounds like a good match to me.

You would have a very, very, very difficult time naming a HC in the NFL that kicks a FG on 4th and goal at the half yard line.

 

Frankly, I'd think far less of ANY coach that did.

 

And naturally, it cost us nothing, because we got the ball back with great field position (which you would expect when you don't convert there), and we converted that field position into the same FG that we passed up.

 

If you want to dispute the decision not to kick in the Colts game, I have no issue with it. You're less than a yard from a TD. High school coaches go for the TD there.

[1/28/01]

Flacco is a good QB. The question should have been (for this thread...not in real life) "Is Flacco becoming a great QB?". And the answer is no.

[flynismo]

Its been determined by some that he excels with the deep ball and its been determined by some that he doesnt. Stats are stats and opinions are opinions. Im not the type to get caught up in either too much, just wanted to point some things out from my perspective. Regardless, Im liking the overall picture this year.

Phooey to the stats. My eyes tell me that although his deep balls are much more consistent this year than last, the past season and a half hasn't been on the level that built his 'legend' or 'myth'.

I don't like stats because it's impossible to account for external factors; it's easy enough to see when a pass was under or overthrown, they will always count against him. But things like defenses focusing on stopping the deep ball from the first snap, to other things like Torrey's complete inability to beat single coverage, well, they will never help his stats, only hurt it

[ravensdan]

2 straights 2INT games.

Thats not okay.

That's not really true. A few interceptions is not the end of the world. It's a very overrated stat. If you want to win you have to make aggressive throws. Those are going to come with a few more interceptions along the way. But you have to make those throws if you are going to be great. Never turning the ball over and never turning it loose is not great.

Manning, Rodgers, Brady are in a league of their own, but I would consider Brees, roethlesbeger, luck and flacco great also and in a group just behind.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Talk is cheap. It takes real men to play football. How many of their receivers were knocked off their

routes? Torrey is getting softer and softer by the week. So, Elvis drew two holding penalties. Whoopy! He hasn't exactly filled Jarret Johnson's or Paul Krueger's shoes, now has he? How many sacks did he have in a key divisional matchup, dude?

Coach Harbaugh doesn't walk the talk. He said to the media two weeks ago that maybe he needs to

rethink his aggressive decisions to go for it on 4th and ones because the

team hasn't earned the right to go for it. Not having Tucker kick the early FG in the 1st half is

vintage Forrest Gump --- Stupid is as stupid does. He hasn't learned from his mistakes of the past or his ego is to large. A great coach leaves his ego at the door when it comes time to make decisions. I do give him credit for benching Pierce. Pierce is not hungry. Neither is Torrey. Also, Harbaugh

doesn't stand up for his players. He should have been livid when Joe's helmet was ripped off and no

penalty was called. Instead, he stood on the sidelines with the same bewildered and confused look he always has. The coach must exude confidence on the sidelines. Remember Lombardi, Landry, Shula &

Gibbs just to name a few. John's a good coach but he'll never be a great coach. Again, talk is cheap. A great leader leads by example. I hear the University of Michigan is recruiting him. Sounds like a good match to me.

 

 

I love that he went for it.If you can't get a touchdown from less than 1 yard out you don't deserve any points.My problem was with the play calling.I'm all for us throwing the ball in goal line situation but when you're that close you gotta run it or sneak it.Say what you want about Harbaugh,but he's led us to 5 straight playoff appearances,5 straights years of atleast one playoff win,3 AFCCG's,a superbowl and has us on pace to make the playoffs again this year even with all the drama and injuries we've been through.Many coaches would've folded and lost the locker room under some of the stuff we've been through in the past year.We're lucky to have him.Atleast 25 other teams and fan bases would gladly trade their HC for him.Especially the teams and fan bases in our division.Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.We've got a great HC leading our team right now.