Is Joe Flacco Becoming a Good QB?

[ravensnick]

I rest my case Joe not a QB that will win us another superbowl. We need a smarter QB.

there are only four qbs I'd rather have over Joe. Manning, Luck, Brady, and Rodgers. Since Manning and Brady are going to ride on to the sunset soon (as first Ballot HOFS), the only Qbs i would rather have for our future are Rodgers and Luck. Rodgers is pretty much a HOF guarantee if he continues to play the way he has. Luck has shot at being the greatest of all time (being the combination of Roethlisburger, Newton, Favre, and Manning he is)  Flacco is better than Ryan, Stafford, Foles, Cutler, Romo, Newton, Kaep, Wilson, and now Brees and is about equal playing level to Roethlisburger and Rivers, but he is much younger than either.

QB rankings RightNow:

1. Manning

2. rodgers

3. Brady

4. Luck

5. Flacco

6. Roethlisburger

7. Rivers

8. Brees

9. Eli

10. Newton

11. Wilson

12. Romo

13. ryan

14. Cutler

15. kaep

16. Foles 

17. Stafford

18. Dalton

19. Smith

20. Palmer

[redrum52]

I'd give you Marino, Kelly, Tarkenton, Moon, and Cunningham. But, tarkenton , Marino, and kelly went to a combined 9 superbowl and lost them all.

Kelly went up against mini dynasties. All the teams the Bills lost to won multiple titles within a few years of each other and the NFC was the dominant division then. Can't really say what haopened with Fran and I don't think you meant Marino. Maybe McNabb? He could've played better that game and didn't seemed prepared for the moment.

[redrum52]

there are only four qbs I'd rather have over Joe. Manning, Luck, Brady, and Rodgers. Since Manning and Brady are going to ride on to the sunset soon (as first Ballot HOFS), the only Qbs i would rather have for our future are Rodgers and Luck. Rodgers is pretty much a HOF guarantee if he continues to play the way he has. Luck has shot at being the greatest of all time (being the combination of Roethlisburger, Newton, Favre, and Manning he is) Flacco is better than Ryan, Stafford, Foles, Cutler, Romo, Newton, Kaep, Wilson, and now Brees and is about equal playing level to Roethlisburger and Rivers, but he is much younger than either.

QB rankings RightNow:

1. Manning

2. rodgers

3. Brady

4. Luck

5. Flacco

6. Roethlisburger

7. Rivers

8. Brees

9. Eli

10. Newton

11. Wilson

12. Romo

13. ryan

14. Cutler

15. kaep

16. Foles

17. Stafford

18. Dalton

19. Smith

20. Palmer

Flacco isn't better than 6-8 and if Romo is better than given credit for.

[Ausman]

I would put Nick Foles above Average Joe

[ravensnick]

Flacco isn't better than 6-8 and if Romo is better than given credit for.

At this point, flacco is better than those 3. Rivers may be better statisically, but he still struggles to win games (going 8-8 despite his best offenseive season last year. Brees has been fading and has been quite bad this year. Joe and Roethlisburger are about equal but I'll credit Joe because he has more time left. Romo is better, but he's only been to the playoffs once. If he goes this year, I'll bump him up to 10

[ravensnick]

Kelly went up against mini dynasties. All the teams the Bills lost to won multiple titles within a few years of each other and the NFC was the dominant division then. Can't really say what haopened with Fran and I don't think you meant Marino. Maybe McNabb? He could've played better that game and didn't seemed prepared for the moment.

Marino played against Montana in a SB and lost. 

[redrum52]

Marino played against Montana in a SB and lost. 

I know.  I think Montana is the greatest personally, but he also had a better team.

[The Mom Gene]

Flacco isn't better than 6-8 and if Romo is better than given credit for.

We'll have to see what Romeo does in Dec. and Jan....  and the Playoffs.... 

You gotta admit that Joe is much more clutch...  even today he was...  had that flag not been thrown... it would have been an 80 yard TD pass for the win..... Joe won the game for us with that pass.

[3-4ravdef509]

Joe played up and down all game, but he got zero helP that last drive

[ravensnick]

I know.  I think Montana is the greatest personally, but he also had a better team.

That's very true but, those Qb al made it one game away from SBs. Point is, it's rare to have a great NFL QB that hasn't won the Sb or come extremely close.

[ravensnick]

Joe played up and down all game, but he got zero helP that last drive

That's probably the best way to put it.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

The first pick is on Joe for staring down Torrey. The second pick is on Torrey for not watching where he's going: how often do you see a WR run into a guy on a crossing pattern where it's not supposed to be a pick play? And even on the first pick, if Torrey had any situational awareness, he'd realize he can't just stop and wait for the ball, that he has to come back for it. Flacco would have a few less INTs if he had a #2 WR with even average football IQ.

We'll never know how good Flacco can be until we get a complete WR/TE corp that can stay relatively healthy.

Seems like too many of our more talented players are fragile/injury prone/unlucky while the durable guys are mostly our worst players.

I agree. We do not have a full complement of first rate receivers who are ballers and can stay

healthy. Right now, I see one --- Steve Smith. When he's healthy, Owen Daniels makes two but that's

it. Torrey is a speedster but has no court sense.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Elvis got us at least two huge holding penalties. They actually really help us stop the bengals momentum

How many sacks and tackles did he make? He has been relegated to a second string part-time performer

due to his disappointing performance.

[Alaska Alaska!]

How many sacks and tackles did he make? He has been relegated to a second string part-time performer

due to his disappointing performance.

Isn't he leading the team in sacks? If he's under performing, than the whole defense is

[StingerNLG]

Tony Banks

Elvis Grbac

Jeff Blake

Kyle Boller/Chris Redman

Steve McNair

 

Some of you fair-weather fans have absolutely no clue what we have right now.   I continue to be amazed and embarrassed at the same time that some of you might seriously think Joe Flacco is "average" or not a franchise caliber Quarterback.

 

Look at that above list of our QB's at and since the SB year.   Then look at everything Flacco has accomplished at the QB for this team.   And before someone chimes in with the "well the defense......";  how come the defense couldn't get to the Super Bowl or even to 5 consecutive playoff berths with any of the above QB's?  

 

Flacco has more records of QB's since 2008 than anyone else.   Right now there is no other QB who can boast what he's done in his first years since being drafted against their own career start, PERIOD.     And oh yeah, he was thrown into the job day one like Kyle Boller was.   And yet he was able to do the job just fine.

 

This is what infuriates me as a fan.   Joe Flacco must be 100% perfect every down, every pass, every play.   If not, to some here he's a bum.   And today is a great example.   Yep, he had an off day.   But I still held out hope that he'd get the ball last because 9 times out of 10 he can win the game on the last drive.    And no one says a word about Kamar Aiken dropping that pass in the endzone that Flacco threw perfectly to him and no one else.   No, we have to examine every interception and use that to somehow crap on everything else he's done for the Ravens. 

 

Good job Ravens fans.   At least, some of you.  :/

[FoxRox75]

Joe may have had a rotten day as a whole, but I agree his throw on 3 and 10 at the end was still clutch, regardless of the "PI" call on SSS (I use quotes because I don't really take a side in that call). He obviously had his worst game of the season overall today; hopefully he rebounds next week against the Steelers.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Isn't he leading the team in sacks? If he's under performing, than the whole defense is

He may be leading the team in sacks but he had zero sacks today in what was a crucial intra-divisional match-up. Nobody on our team is getting many sacks so that's not saying much. Dean Pees has a real dilemma. He can't call man blitzes because our D-backs aren't playing well. Our safety play is terrible.

[ROH522155]

I rest my case Joe not a QB that will win us another superbowl. We need a smarter QB.

 

Ausman 2012- "Joe will never win us a Super Bowl.

 

Ausman 2014- "Joe will never win us ANOTHER Super Bowl."

[StingerNLG]

Joe may have had a rotten day as a whole, but I agree his throw on 3 and 10 at the end was still clutch, regardless of the "PI" call on SSS (I use quotes because I don't really take a side in that call). He obviously had his worst game of the season overall today; hopefully he rebounds next week against the Steelers.

 

I have no doubt he will.  It would also be nice if Torrey Smith came to play and we were not rotating offensive linemen in and out.  You figure we won't have Campanaro next week, so it looks like it's going to be Steve Smith, Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, and Kamar Aiken.   I hope we get Owen Daniels back soon because we definitely missed him today too.

 

Speaking of receivers, has anyone noticed yet defenses like today shifted over and doubled up on Steve Smith and our other guys STILL couldn't win one-on-one matchups with their secondary?

[ravensdfan]

Ausman 2012- "Joe will never win us a Super Bowl.

 

Ausman 2014- "Joe will never win us ANOTHER Super Bowl."

 

Well then - that could be a good sign of things to come.

 

There isn't a QB alive that would be Peyton on this team. That is not how we play football at all. Look at that game against Tampa. 5 TDs in 16 minutes. What did we do? Let up on the gas. That is just what we do for some reason.

 

Joe will never have the stats to keep the fantasy crowd happy unless he leaves the Ravens. No Raven QB will ever do that. We do not play that type of game. Sadly, the fantasy crowd is quickly becoming how a player is measured.

 

Joe is Joe and he is the best QB for the Ravens. He takes the blame for everything when it goes wrong, he doesn't whine about not padding his stats, and he wins. Not every game - but more than most in the game since 2008. That's good enough.

[Rinbee]

Joe played up and down all game, but he got zero helP that last drive

If he plays up the entire game he doesn't need the final drive.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

As most of you know, I'm one of Joe's biggest advocates. That being said, he stunk up the proverbial

field today. His two pics were atrocious. That being said, he did not push off on the defender when

Steve Smith, Sr. was correctly called for PI. And, he was not playing defense when our "stellar"

defensive backfield could not make a defensive stop on 3rd & long at several crucial moments of truth

in the game. Yes, the loss of Jimmy Smith hurt us but who stepped up in the defensive backfield? Was

Elvis even in the house today? AND, he was not in the game when Cincy's line surge pushed our D-line

5 yards into the endzone on their final TD --- a QB sneak. What would Ray Lewis have doneon that play?

No, it was another coulda, shoulda, woulda team loss. Goodbye, Coach Harbaugh!

 

 

The first pick was ugly but that second pick wasn't Joe's Fault.He was throwing to a spot and Torrey got knocked off his route.Also,Doom made his presence known today.He drew about 2 or 3 holding penalties on Smith.And why on earth are you saying bye to Harbaugh???

[52520Andrew]

Welp, this is going to have a messy end lol

[Inqui]

Welp, this is going to have a messy end lol

A Joe Flacco thread getting messy?

[52520Andrew]

A Joe Flacco thread getting messy?

 

Shocking isn't it haha

[MTRavensFan]

I would put Nick Foles above Average Joe

 

Foles also threw 2 INTs today - and lost.

So did Rodgers, for that matter. Drew Brees threw 3 against TAMPA BAY.

 

Sheesh, you guys act like Joe's the only one to occasionally make an errant throw or have an off day.

[Inqui]

Foles also threw 2 INTs today - and lost.

So did Rodgers, for that matter. Drew Brees threw 3 against TAMPA BAY.

 

Sheesh, you guys act like Joe's the only one to occasionally make an errant throw or have an off day.

Are you kidding? Drew Brees never has an off day.

[Moderator 3]

He was throwing to a spot and Torrey got knocked off his route.

I feel like Groundhog Day. I read somewhere that of Joe's 7 INTs, 6 were on passes to Torrey. I haven't seen that confirmed, though. If true, it's one of those stats that make me go "hmmmmmm".

[Inqui]

I feel like Groundhog Day. I read somewhere that of Joe's 7 INTs, 6 were on passes to Torrey. I haven't seen that confirmed, though. If true, it's one of those stats that make me go "hmmmmmm".

Yeah, the flags Torrey draws are nice but that's a definite concern.

[3-4ravdef509]

If he plays up the entire game he doesn't need the final drive.

 

Let's go further.

 

If Joe actually had a threat to play the middle of the field this game might have gone a lot different.

 

If Harbaugh takes 3 this game might go different.

 

If a meteor landed on the entire Bengals starting unit this game might have gone different.

 

If We don't have a dropped touchdown in the game things might have gone different.

 

If Joe wasn't running for his life half the game, and if for the other half receivers actually got open, this might have been a different game.

 

Joe owns the first interception - interceptions happen, I'm not upset at all. 

 

Torrey, whether he was concussed and that caused it or not, owns the second interception.

 

It's like any given the day the offense either steps up and plays very well, or they wet themselves. There's like no in between.

 

I know people say injuries aren't an excuse, but we are so far from full strength for most of that Bengals game, it's miraculous we got so close to winning.