Is Joe Flacco Becoming a Good QB?

[ellicottraven]

I think a QB is only as good as the offense he plays in. With Kubiak calling plays and Flacco getting the ball out quickly, it has helped him elevate his game. He still deals with some inconsistency, but when he's on, he looks like a superstar QB! I think with time in this offense, his inconsistency goes down and he solidifies himself as one of the better QBs in the league and he'll prove that with consistent play and wins against Cincy and Pittsburgh.

 

Peyton Manning is a statistical outlier as he seems to transcend his OCs. He just has the ability to read defenses and dissect them unlike any other QB in history. His physical skills are mediocre, but his mental ability and timing are other wordly. So, there you go.

[funky141]

I think a QB is only as good as the offense he plays in. With Kubiak calling plays and Flacco getting the ball out quickly, it has helped him elevate his game. He still deals with some inconsistency, but when he's on, he looks like a superstar QB! I think with time in this offense, his inconsistency goes down and he solidifies himself as one of the better QBs in the league and he'll prove that with consistent play and wins against Cincy and Pittsburgh.

 

Peyton Manning is a statistical outlier as he seems to transcend his OCs. He just has the ability to read defenses and dissect them unlike any other QB in history. His physical skills are mediocre, but his mental ability and timing are other wordly. So, there you go.

His "physical skills"  are way more than mediocre....

[rmcjacket23]

His "physical skills"  are way more than mediocre....

I'd have to agree that CURRENTLY his physical skills are quite limited. He can't throw deep barely at all, and he does (and frankly he has for quite some time) throws a pretty bad football. It might be accurate and it might get to where it needs to be, but its not pretty.

 

Watch the football when somebody like Aaron Rodgers throws it, and watch it when Peyton Manning throws it. They aren't the same ball. Rodgers is probably the tightest spiral I've ever seen, and its got zip on it. Manning's is a wobbly duck many times, and it gets caught in the wind often.

 

That wasn't the case ten years ago with Manning, but he has adapted incredibly well to his physical shortcomings later in his career.

[Hardbaugh]

Yes, he is becoming a good quarterback.

 

The additions of Kubiak and Denison in combination with an NFL caliber playbook have been a big boon for Flacco.

 

 I've been a big critic of Flacco as most know but have been impressed with everything I've seen on the field this season and the interviews as well.  We have more season to play but it looks like he has taken his game to the next level.

 

I'd still like to see him get to the 65 Comp % mark but am happy where he's at right now.

[PolishRifle]

Can you atleast change the title to "is Joe Flacco becoming a great QB?", because implying that Joe has never been good, after all that he has done for the team until this point is crazy. Not to mention, that I would argue, that Joe has been this great for years, but we finally have given him a legit OC and real go-to receiver (we had Q, but Cam didn't know how to get the most out of his talents) to finally show it.

[Ravenseconbeast]

The game to gauge if flacco is good enough this season is Bengals & Chargers game. Falcons&Buccs were a bit of a giveaway

[PolishRifle]

Peyton Manning is a statistical outlier as he seems to transcend his OCs. He just has the ability to read defenses and dissect them unlike any other QB in history. His physical skills are mediocre, but his mental ability and timing are other wordly. So, there you go.

 

That said, he and Joe still won their teams the same amount of championships and Flacco didn't need Rex Grossman to help him out.

[funky141]

I'd have to agree that CURRENTLY his physical skills are quite limited. He can't throw deep barely at all, and he does (and frankly he has for quite some time) throws a pretty bad football. It might be accurate and it might get to where it needs to be, but its not pretty.

 

Watch the football when somebody like Aaron Rodgers throws it, and watch it when Peyton Manning throws it. They aren't the same ball. Rodgers is probably the tightest spiral I've ever seen, and its got zip on it. Manning's is a wobbly duck many times, and it gets caught in the wind often.

 

That wasn't the case ten years ago with Manning, but he has adapted incredibly well to his physical shortcomings later in his career.

If you seen Manning over the years like I have you would say most of his balls are not the tightest sparrows.

If his skills are limited like you say then it's pretty impressive he can still pass with so much accuracy, precision and I can argue at times it looks like his zip is still there.

[funky141]

That said, he and Joe still won their teams the same amount of championships and Flacco didn't need Rex Grossman to help him out.

And Flacco has one more than Dan Marino so that makes him better than Marino right.

[PolishRifle]

And Flacco has one more than Dan Marino so that makes him better than Marino right.

 

Dan has better stats than Joe Montana. I guess he and Peyton are better than Montana, right?

[rmcjacket23]

Dan has better stats than Joe Montana. I guess he and Peyton are better than Montana, right?

According to many people, yes.

[PolishRifle]

According to many people, yes.

 

And the way I see it, they're wrong. That stats vs rings debate is old as dirt and I will always side with the winners in that debate.

[rmcjacket23]

And the way I see it, they're wrong. That stats vs rings debate is old as dirt and I will always side with the winners in that debate.

You're right, its an old argument.

 

And I have no issue with people thinking that way, as long as they are aware that no QB, no matter how great they are, has ever single handedly won a SB, and so I'm not sure why that seems to be the only driver in the analysis.

[1/28/01]

And I have no issue with people thinking that way, as long as they are aware that no QB, no matter how great they are, has ever single handedly won a SB, and so I'm not sure why that seems to be the only driver in the analysis.

Oh my goodness....thank you so much. I thought there were a few times where a team fielded just its QB and HE went on to win it all. I was so confused, but again, thanks for clarifying.

[rmcjacket23]

Oh my goodness....thank you so much. I thought there were a few times where a team fielded just its QB and HE went on to win it all. I was so confused, but again, thanks for clarifying.

You're very welcome. Enjoy the post while its still up...

[funky141]

Dan has better stats than Joe Montana. I guess he and Peyton are better than Montana, right?

Yea they are..or was for Dan

[The Mom Gene]

Is Joe Flacco Becoming a Good QB????????????? 

 

He's been one!.....  Holy Cow....  Give him a couple more years, and he'll be breaking even more records.  Won more regular season games in his first 6 years in the NFL than any other QB...  Won more playoff games than any QB in the league in his first 6 years in the NFL...  He's won a Super Bowl...  and Goodness knows, and most of us can agree, when it comes to crunch time...  The guy is spot on.

 

Yes, Joe Flacco is a Good QB.

[Tiz]

Dan has better stats than Joe Montana. I guess he and Peyton are better than Montana, right?

Yes Dan is better than multiple super bowl winning Qbs. Super bowl wins is a team thing not an individual thing.

You'd be a damn fool if you considered dilfer or Eli or doug Williams better than Marino.

I'm pretty sure we could add Simms, hostetler, mcnahon, rypien, and brad Johnson to the list too

Stop being foolish and acting like a super bowl win makes a player the best at his position

[codizzle]

Not joining the discussion just posting this cause it's fun

[rmcjacket23]

Yes Dan is better than multiple super bowl winning Qbs. Super bowl wins is a team thing not an individual thing.

You'd be a damn fool if you considered dilfer or Eli or doug Williams better than Marino.

I'm pretty sure we could add Simms, hostetler, mcnahon, rypien, and brad Johnson to the list too

Stop being foolish and acting like a super bowl win makes a player the best at his position

I look at it this way...

 

In order to be a an all-time great QB, you've basically got to make the HOF in my opinion. There's nobody who is in the discussion of the top 5 or even top 10 QBs in NFL history who aren't in the HOF.

 

That being said... I don't expect somebody like Eli Manning to make the HOF, and I think somebody like Ben Roethlisberger is a borderline HOF candidate at this point, and if I were a voter, I wouldn't vote him in.

 

So if that's the case, and winning SBs was the biggest driver in determining all-time great QBs, then there is absolutely no excuse for Dan Marino to be in the HOF, and those two not.

 

If that's the case (which it currently is, although we won't know for sure for quite some time), then it appears people who do HOF voting seem to treat career statistics as a MAJOR barometer for all-time greatness.

 

You can make it to the HOF without a ring, but you can't guarantee yourself a trip to the HOF with a ring or even multiple rings. That alone, to me, is a pretty good indicator of what people who are in the business of determining these things value the most.

[Tiz]

Not joining the discussion just posting this cause it's fun

For us, this is all that matters. I don't care which qb is "better" as long as we keep winning.

[beanfigger]

Here's a fun stat, if Flacco throws just two more postseason TDs in his career (likely this season), then he will move ahead of Jim Kelly and Steve Young on the all time postseason TD list and into 14th place. Did those guys ever become good QBs?

[AsianRice]

FF QB or Winning QB?

 

I'll take winning QB in a heartbeat...........

[rmcjacket23]

FF QB or Winning QB?

 

I'll take winning QB in a heartbeat...........

In most cases, a great FF QB also is a great winning QB (See Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Brady).

 

There is, generally speaking, a positive correlation there.

[berad]

As the wise poet Terrell Suggs once said: "There's getting it done and there's not getting it done. Your boy, Joe, he got it done."

 

Now, he was talking about Joe Flacco but you can take that to be Montana, Namath, etc. Wins and losses, fair or not, have become somewhat synonymous with a QBs performance because they are the most important position on the field. Triple that for playoffs and ten-fold for the big one.

 

So, yes, players DO care about the SB and who's winning it. It haunts Dan Marino, it was the monkey on Steve Young and Peyton Mannings' backs.

[Wildabeast88]

I think the question is irrelevant.

 

Any reference to Flacco that involves Peyton Manning in the same paragraph is an immediate write off for me.

 

Joe Flacco is not Peyton Manning. He will never be Peyton Manning. If that is the bar, he will ALWAYS fall short of it. But he didn't set the bar there, and neither did this organization. That's 100% a fan problem.

joe will always fall short except when the playoffs get here where Peyton is a 500 QB who lost in his 1st game 9 times while Joe wins in the postseason 3AFC championship games and if not for Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff we win back to back superbowls

[Wildabeast88]

For the most part Flacco is definitely good about his interception rate, excluding 2013 of course. I've always thought he was a "good" quarterback. Obviously he's not the type to reach Peyton Manning or Tom Brady stats usually, but he does what he needs to to help us win football games. And right now, I don't think I'd take any quarterback over Flacco for the playoffs.

i agree what has Brady done since spy gate nothing and it should have been less we should have beat them in the 11 AFC championship game

[rmcjacket23]

joe will always fall short except when the playoffs get here where Peyton is a 500 QB who lost in his 1st game 9 times while Joe wins in the postseason 3AFC championship games and if not for Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff we win back to back superbowls

And while that's true, I'm not really concerned about Peyton's postseason record. He's won a SB, and he's played in 3. Joe, so far, has played in and won 1.

 

Losing in a SB is NOT a knock on somebodies career. I've seen some crazy people suggest that Joe is a better QB because Joe has a 100% win percentage in SBs, while Peyton is 33% in SBs. Really? That's the argument? Getting to a SB and losing is somehow considered a bad thing? Really?

 

I can promise you this... Joe Flacco would trade every single playoff win from every season (outside of 2012) for ONE MORE losing trip to the SB.

 

At the end of the day, Peyton has 11 postseason wins, 1 SB ring, and 3 trips to the SB. You don't make it to three SBs and suck in the playoffs... not really possible.

[The Mom Gene]

Not joining the discussion just posting this cause it's fun

Way to go Codizzle...... This shouldn't even be a conversation.

[rmcjacket23]

i agree what has Brady done since spy gate nothing and it should have been less we should have beat them in the 11 AFC championship game

Well, from 2009-2013 (five seasons), the Patriots made the playoffs every single season, made 3 AFC Title games, and 1 SB appearance.

 

So the real question is... besides the Ravens, what football team has those credentials in that period of time?