Is Joe Flacco Becoming a Good QB?

[AsianRice]

Andrew Luck looks good in regular season, but he haven't consistently showed that he can make any possible comeback in a deciding game.......We'll have to see how he responses in the postseason when the game is on the line.

 

Rodgers is arguably the best QB in this generation, and old man Manning still looks great in the regular season, but he hasn't showed he is the guy who can be relied on in the postseason.

 

PS: The next tier of QB ranking is a complete QB like looking great in regular and post season.....

[bravens23]

Andrew Luck looks good in regular season, but he haven't consistently showed that he can make any possible comeback in a deciding game.......We'll have to see how he responses in the postseason when the game is on the line.

 

Rodgers is arguably the best QB in this generation, and old man Manning still looks great in the regular season, but he hasn't showed he is the guy who can be relied on in the postseason.

 

PS: The next tier of QB ranking is a complete QB like looking great in regular and post season.....

That's true, but the sample size on Luck is also pretty small in the playoffs.

 

Remember, in Joe's first two playoff seasons, he completed 48% of his passes for 132 yard/game, with 1 TD and 6 INTs in five games. The Ravens went 3-2 in that span, so somehow fans credit him being a key factor in those wins, except what actually happened says differently.

[1/28/01]

(a)... Flacco has won how many???? 9 and a Super Bowl? If you wanna keep it fair.

He didnt say Flacco didnt win any. He was just correcting your incorrect statement.

[The Raven]

The only two players I'd take over Joe are Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. Peyton Manning, while incredible, has ALWAYS had the benefit of working with a great supporting cast in a great system, as well as playing in a cupcake division for most of his career. Same goes for Tom Brady and Drew Brees. Despite the indisuputable talent they possess, they have had innumerable benefits that are foreign to most quarterbacks.

 

I would kill for Flacco to play in Sean Payton's system. I would make a deal with the devil to get Flacco the offensive line that Tom Brady has had every year. I would do other unethical things to get Flacco the lethal weapons that Manning has right now. Those three had supporting casts that truly supported them. Flacco has never truly had that luxury. The team we have right now is the best supporting cast he's had-- and we still have problems.

 

It is an indisputable and bonafide fact that Flacco has had far less to work with than any of them. Therefore, it is impossible to fairly evaluate and compare Flacco to those three quarterbacks.

 

Luck and Rodgers, however, have done a lot with less to work with. They also though have had several benefits.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

The only two players I'd take over Joe are Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers. Peyton Manning, while incredible, has ALWAYS had the benefit of working with a great supporting cast in a great system, as well as playing in a cupcake division for most of his career. Same goes for Tom Brady and Drew Brees. Despite the indisuputable talent they possess, they have had innumerable benefits that are foreign to most quarterbacks.

 

I would kill for Flacco to play in Sean Payton's system. I would make a deal with the devil to get Flacco the offensive line that Tom Brady has had every year. I would do other unethical things to get Flacco the lethal weapons that Manning has right now. Those three had supporting casts that truly supported them. Flacco has never truly had that luxury. The team we have right now is the best supporting cast he's had-- and we still have problems.

 

It is an indisputable and bonafide fact that Flacco has had far less to work with than any of them. Therefore, it is impossible to fairly evaluate and compare Flacco to those three quarterbacks.

 

Luck and Rodgers, however, have done a lot with less to work with. They also though have had several benefits.

 

 

I gave you an up vote but that last line is false.Rodgers has had atleast 4 legit WR for most of his career and had a beast TE for a few years too.During Rodgers break out year he had Greg Jennings,Jordy Nelson,James Jones,Donald Driver,Randall Cobb AND Jermichael Finley.That's alot.Luck is playing with 3 number #1 WR's right now in Reggie Wayne,TY Hilton and Hakeem Nicks.He also has two reliable TE's who are capable of making big plays.I would trade Flacco for Rodgers in a heart beat but I wouldn't let him go for Luck.He has big stats this year but he has alot of weapons and has the most passing attempts in the league by a good margin.He's 2014's version of the 2011 Matthew Stafford.He aslo gets to play in the same cupcake division Manning thrived in.The Titans and Jags are both horrible this year and he gets to pad his stats against them twice.That's basically like Flacco having 2 more games against Tampa and the Panthers on the schedule.

[redrum52]

Lucks run game is terrible and defense unreliable. Joe isn't asked to do nearly what those other qbs are asked or required to do if their teams are going to be contenders.

[ravensdfan]

Lucks run game is terrible and defense unreliable. Joe isn't asked to do nearly what those other qbs are asked or required to do if their teams are going to be contenders.

 

They rank 11th in rushing - wouldn't call that terrible. We ranked last in 2013 - yet you were still in here bemoaning Flacco. Our O line also ranked last at the same time. Their defense ranks 16th in ppg - also not terrible.

 

Flacco is asked to do more than any of those QBs with way less talent surrounding him.

 

Luck has basically 3 #1 WRs and a TE. Flacco doesn't have one true #1 and never has had one.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Lucks run game is terrible and defense unreliable. Joe isn't asked to do nearly what those other qbs are asked or required to do if their teams are going to be contenders.

 

 

Our defense isn't reliable either.The colts defense is only ranked 2 spots behind ours.This isn't the year 2000 or 2008.We haven't had a strong defense since 2011.Why are you bring up the weaknesses on those QB's teams while ignoring ours?I hate when people try to say Flacco isn't as good as whoever because he has a defense.Our defense isn't always as good as their mystique and during the years that they are they aren't catching balls and getting YAC and TD's for Joe.If anything Flacco is asked to do more than those QB's because we're asking him to compete with whatever quick fixes we can find at WR so we can use a boat load of high picks and cap space on defense.

[The Raven]

Lucks run game is terrible and defense unreliable. Joe isn't asked to do nearly what those other qbs are asked or required to do if their teams are going to be contenders.

 

His defense has little to do with his individual performance.

 

And even if his run game is less than stellar, which I did allude to, his receivers are playmakers and his offensive line is one of the best pass blocking units in the NFL. Those are two things that directly and significantly affect his performance.

[redrum52]

His defense has little to do with his individual performance.

And even if his run game is less than stellar, which I did allude to, his receivers are playmakers and his offensive line is one of the best pass blocking units in the NFL. Those are two things that directly and significantly affect his performance.

His defense does and my point was suppose to point to past seasons more so than the current where he still made playoffs.

[The Raven]

His defense does and my point was suppose to point to past seasons more so than the current where he still made playoffs.

 

What?

[redrum52]

What?

Looking back I don't even know. I'll respond when I get home. This is why I hate doing this over mobile.

[3-4ravdef509]

Looking back I don't even know. I'll respond when I get home. This is why I hate doing this over mobile.

 

Voice to text my friend, it's a beautiful thing.

[edthehead]

joe is who he is,,he will never be great but will have great moments, he will never be like  ryan leaf or jamarcus russell but he will have those moments,,,, I would be happy if he was just even,,not to high or to low,, the question is will he be great? seven years later,,,  

[beanfigger]

(a)... Flacco has won how many???? 9 and a Super Bowl? If you wanna keep it fair.

I love when people just gloss over the "I agree with you" part of a post and act like they need to attack back at someone who isn't trying to argue.

[The Mom Gene]

I love when people just gloss over the "I agree with you" part of a post and act like they need to attack back at someone who isn't trying to argue.

I said that I would wait for him to win a playoff game....  You stated "let's be fair"  that he won A playoff game.... I am simply stating that I am not willing to trade my QB who has won 9 and a SB yet.....  YOU fail to reiterate the rest of the conversation and make it appear that I was strictly arguing against your one point, which I was not... 

[3-4ravdef509]

That's true, but the sample size on Luck is also pretty small in the playoffs.

 

Remember, in Joe's first two playoff seasons, he completed 48% of his passes for 132 yard/game, with 1 TD and 6 INTs in five games. The Ravens went 3-2 in that span, so somehow fans credit him being a key factor in those wins, except what actually happened says differently.

 

You do realize that 

 

A. 3 of those int came against one of the best defenses of all time in the AFCCG when he was a rookie and that

 

B. 3 came the next year in the playoffs when he was battling a significant injury.

 

He was a key factor in two of those 3 wins. And the running game was so good in the third he didn't need to be a factor.

 

By year 3, when he finally A. had some experience under his belt B. wasn't injured and C. had a someone decent offense around him, starting playing well statistically and in reality in the playoffs

[beanfigger]

I said that I would wait for him to win a playoff game.... You stated "let's be fair" that he won A playoff game.... I am simply stating that I am not willing to trade my QB who has won 9 and a SB yet..... YOU fail to reiterate the rest of the conversation and make it appear that I was strictly arguing against your one point, which I was not...

But you were because that was the only point I made. I agreed with everything else you said, and I stated that. I was just letting you know that you could stop waiting. If you think I, of all people on this board, am in any way arguing that we should trade Flacco, you haven't been paying much attention.

[The Mom Gene]

But you were because that was the only point I made. I agreed with everything else you said, and I stated that. I was just letting you know that you could stop waiting. If you think I, of all people on this board, am in any way arguing that we should trade Flacco, you haven't been paying much attention.

And that was the original statements made by other members in the conversation... Who would you trade Flacco for...  discussion of Manning, Manning, Rodgers, Luck, Brees, etc...  not to rehash, but my original comment was yes, Rodgers, and MAYBE Luck.  I absolutely pay attention, maybe more than most.  P.S.  I think there are a quite a few of us on here that actually wouldn't trade Joe at all. 

I am one of them.

[flynismo]

Not joining the discussion just posting this cause it's fun

 

 

We all know that Flacco is the only one of those guys to have a solid or good team around him, so therefore there is no correalation between GREAT quarterbacks and winning football games.

[redrum52]

We all know that Flacco is the only one of those guys to have a solid or good team around him, so therefore there is no correalation between GREAT quarterbacks and winning football games.

Haven't Brady and Manning both missed entire seasons?

[ravensdfan]

Haven't Brady and Manning both missed entire seasons?

 

So? That isn't the point.

 

Do you see the list? That would still put Flacco #3 behind only Brady & Manning and ahead of some guys who everyone wants to trade him for.

 

You hate Flacco, we all get it. Give it a rest and stop reaching.

[redrum52]

So? That isn't the point.

Do you see the list? That would still put Flacco #3 behind only Brady & Manning and ahead of some guys who everyone wants to trade him for.

You hate Flacco, we all get it. Give it a rest and stop reaching.

Never said I hate Flacco. And where was I reaching by asking a simple question? And do wins now mean one qb is better than another?

[ravensdfan]

Never said I hate Flacco. And where was I reaching by asking a simple question? And do wins now mean one qb is better than another?

 

I don't know - do you see any mediocre QBs on that list? Which was the point - not that Flacco was #1 on the list.

[redrum52]

I don't know - do you see any mediocre QBs on that list? Which was the point - not that Flacco was #1 on the list.

No but I see qbs who have done more to earn their wins than the guy on our team.

[ravensdfan]

No but I see qbs who have done more to earn their wins than the guy on our team.

 

Of course you do. So don't say you don't hate the guy because you prove it every single day with ridiculous comments like that one.

[redrum52]

Of course you do. So don't say you don't hate the guy because you prove it every single day with ridiculous comments like that one.

Haha. It's only the truth. Nothing ridiculous about it. They are asked to do more and their respective teams rely on them to do well on a weekly basis to succeed. Not every other week or short stretches. We can win games with Flacco playing mediocre ball, but for the most part if those other guys are off they will lose. Some are so blinded by how bad previous qbs were to admit that this guy isn't the greatest thing to happen to football.

And no I don't hate Flacco.

[beanfigger]

Haven't Brady and Manning both missed entire seasons?

 

Yes they have. Guess who hasn't? Brady and Manning missing seasons (and costing their teams the playoffs in those years) is not what I would consider an asterisk in their favor.

[ravensdfan]

Haha. It's only the truth. Nothing ridiculous about it. They are asked to do more and their respective teams rely on them to do well on a weekly basis to succeed. Not every other week or short stretches. We can win games with Flacco playing mediocre ball, but for the most part if those other guys are off they will lose. Some are so blinded by how bad previous qbs were to admit that this guy isn't the greatest thing to happen to football.

And no I don't hate Flacco.

 

Lies.

 

You want everyone to believe that Flacco somehow managed to sit atop a list of the top tier QBs in the entire league without having anything to do with it.

 

You want everyone to believe that Flacco holds a record with Joe Montana, and they are the only two QBs EVER in this history of the league to have 11 TDs and 0 INTs in the post season - but Flacco had nothing to do with it.

 

You want everyone to believe that Flacco is the only QB to ever have over a 100 QB rating in every post season game, but he had nothing to do with it.

 

Whatever man. You're absurd - and just admit it and stop denying it. It isn't hard. I hate Tom Brady. I don't discount every one of his accomplishments because of it though.

[1/28/01]

Lies.

You want everyone to believe that Flacco somehow managed to sit atop a list of the top tier QBs in the entire league without having anything to do with it.

You want everyone to believe that Flacco holds a record with Joe Montana, and they are the only two QBs EVER in this history of the league to have 11 TDs and 0 INTs in the post season - but Flacco had nothing to do with it.

You want everyone to believe that Flacco is the only QB to ever have over a 100 QB rating in every post season game, but he had nothing to do with it.

Whatever man. You're absurd - and just admit it and stop denying it. It isn't hard. I hate Tom Brady. I don't discount every one of his accomplishments because of it though.

All of that is true and awesome. But no sane person would ACTUALLY put Flacco in the same category of a Brady or Manning. Thats just crazy!