Protecting Gary Kubiak

[Ausman]

Gary Kubiak has been the best offseason move in the past decade. I do not want to see a one and done with Gary!

 

We loose Gary Kubiak, our offense wil go back to medicore plain and simple. Meaning 8-8

 

So what can we do to protect one of our top 3 assets?

 

1). Pay him head coaching money.

 

2). Give him and his family benefits that will take care of them for the rest of their lives.

 

3). Go Mafia style on other teams wishing to persue him?

 

All 3 are good choices.

 

Another good point is that it's not good for Gary's health to be a head coach again! Much more stress and much more responsibility I don't want to see him suffer another stroke that was painful to see.

[1/28/01]

Here - http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/60713-halfway-through-the-season-who-are-our-top-offseason-priorities/

This thread should go here!

[SeaHawk]

Lol, the only reason you even care about the stroke is because it's the only way he won't get a HC job after this season... let's be honest.

 

And Kubes is as good as gone, unless he doesn't want a HC gig anytime soon. That'll be his only chance of sticking around, is if he wants to stick around. I believe Oz has a backup plan though, he's more than smart enough to realize all of this.

[Inqui]

Lol, the only reason you even care about the stroke is because it's the only way he won't get a HC job after this season... let's be honest.

 

And Kubes is as good as gone, unless he doesn't want a HC gig anytime soon. That'll be his only chance of sticking around, is if he wants to stick around. I believe Oz has a backup plan though, he's more than smart enough to realize all of this.

And I believe that backup plan involves our current "QB coach" or whatever his title is atm.

[redrum52]

And I believe that backup plan involves our current "QB coach" or whatever his title is atm.

They're saying he's probably going with Kubiak if he leaves. I was thinking the same thing too, but I think they're a package deal.

These threads are always entertaining.

[Ausman]

They're saying he's probably going with Kubiak if he leaves. I was thinking the same thing too, but I think they're a package deal.

These threads are always entertaining.

 

Would it be entertaining for us to go back to a .500 team or worse? I wouldn't think so! Win at all costs people!

[Tiz]

Would it be entertaining for us to go back to a .500 team or worse? I wouldn't think so! Win at all costs people!

Winning at all costs means taken a cordinator even if he's only there for one year....

[Cville-Raven]

I like option 3

[Inqui]

I like option 3

We make him an offer he can't refuse.

[RaineV1]

While there will be interest, I think he might choose to stay. Sometimes it's better to be the coordinator on a top tier team than to try to be the HC of a team bad enough for their coach to get fired.

[CalvinSmoke]

You can't help this, we couldn't stop Chuck Pagano from leaving (To an outstanding situation might I add) and our players LOVED him. 

[Ravenatic20]

If we can find a way for it to look like Flacco is the core reason for our success, and Kubiak is just 'along for the ride,' teams might not bite on him for a HC offer.  Kind of like Peyton Manning's coordinator in Denver (I don't even know who he is!).

 

Wishful thinking?

[hn68wb4]

Would it be entertaining for us to go back to a .500 team or worse? I wouldn't think so! Win at all costs people!

...and your evidence behind this claim is what? just your own thoughts? we won for many years with no offense at all, our defense is good enough to keep up that legacy when healthy. And if we sign another capable OC?

[Ravensfan23]

You can't help this, we couldn't stop Chuck Pagano from leaving (To an outstanding situation might I add) and our players LOVED him. 

 

Chuck was a different situation. He was never a HC before and getting the opportunity of a life time. Kubes on the other hand has already experienced being a OC and now understands how important picking the right situation is.

 

I'm not saying Kubes won't leave, because only he knows that. However it'll be tough for him to find a situation as good as what he has here in Baltimore. Even he has said for the first time he's able to really open his offense up because of the talent at QB and the weapons Ozzie has added. He also said he loves the fact that he's back in a teachers role more so then being the coach of the entire team, but that could have just been his way of saying I work for the Ravens and don't ask me about any other team while I'm here.

 

Also I don't think Mr B. would have any issue with signing Kubes to a long term deal that pays him close to HC money much like he's paying DeCosta GM money. There is no doubt that there will be plenty of teams calling about Kubes and there appears to be a slim chance he stays, but I definitely can see it possible.

[TDubbs]

You have to look at what teams are potentially going to be firing their HC this year and the likelihood of Kubiak wanting that job.

 

- Oakland (obviously already have, but Sparano is only interim). 

- Jets, definitely a possibility but not set in stone

- Jaguars, always in the mix for a HC firing

 

Those are the only teams I honestly can see parting ways with their coach. I mean Rams and Giants are fringe possibilities if it really goes south. Obviously there has been 49ers talk with Harbaugh but I find that very doubtful. 

 

I just can't see Kubiak leaving this team as OC to pursue another shot at HC with any of the aforementioned teams, especially with legitimate Super Bowl potential here in Baltimore. 

[airconteka1]

The only thing that will stop him will be his wife stopping him due to health concerns. He'll take the HC job, paying the same money aint going to cut it, his ego will demand he prove he can be top dog again.

[K-Dog]

Look, there is MORE than enough highly qualified O.C.'s here on these very boards, that would work for a fraction of what Kubes is making and do a better job.

 

We dont have a thing to worry about...

 

 

[Inqui]

We can speculate on what he'll do for as long as we like, and only he knows what's important to him at the time - from the pay to his health to the situation he's in.

 

Way I see it, it's a matter of time before he leaves for a bigger job but if he stays for the time being it'll be because of what he feels is best for him - and there's not a whole lot we can do about it short of making him our HC over Harbaugh (for the record, I wouldn't be a fan of that).

 

But in the meantime, if we can get (say) three seasons out of him, a Lombardi and the chance to replicate his system then his hiring could still go down as one of the biggest hirings in franchise history.

[Mt. Crushmore]

The mafia option can only end well...

[theFRANCHISE]

Weird as it sounds, it's great when our coordinators move onto head coaching jobs:

 

- It makes us look like a factory for talent on the sidelines

- It attracts other high-profile coaching talent since they see our organization as an audition for a head-coaching job

- It attracts high-profile free agents since they see that we attract top-flight coaching talent and can maximize their abilities

 

We can't begrudge coaches for wanting to move on, just like we can't begrudge the average office grunt for wanting a promotion in the corporate world. People have to do what's best for themselves and their families.

[codizzle]

Weird as it sounds, it's great when our coordinators move onto head coaching jobs:

- It makes us look like a factory for talent on the sidelines

- It attracts other high-profile coaching talent since they see our organization as an audition for a head-coaching job

- It attracts high-profile free agents since they see that we attract top-flight coaching talent and can maximize their abilities

We can't begrudge coaches for wanting to move on, just like we can't begrudge the average office grunt for wanting a promotion in the corporate world. People have to do what's best for themselves and their families.

Wait you're around?! I thought you'd be on raw or something by now

[Tiz]

The main reason why I think he will end up staying is because we will be In The Super Bowl and other teams will rush their hires before kub is available

[Gordo52]

Who knows, he might be enjoying the teaching, coordinating and winning enough to make him stay. I'm confident we would take care of him financially if that's what it comes down to.

Ultimately, I think he stays one more year....Would really suck if he left though. Most definitely for Joe.

[beasy2487]

Well his middle name is Danger.

[Maryland]

Best way to keep Kubiak would be to make it to the Super Bowl. After Black Monday (the day after the regular season ends and all of the coaches destined to be fired are let go) there is always a mad rush to hire head coaches. The Ravens losing Pagano to Indianapolis may not have happened had they made the SB, although his advancement to HC may have been inevitable regardless. 

 

Of course, showering him with HC money couldn't hurt, but if it's in his heart to be a HC, then he will be a HC. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Look, there is MORE than enough highly qualified O.C.'s here on these very boards, that would work for a fraction of what Kubes is making and do a better job.

 

We dont have a thing to worry about...

 

post of the year, hands down.

[JoeyFlex5]

i dont think its as much of a guarantee as everyone thinks it is that he leaves. 

 

dick lebeau for example, was a terrible head coach(or maybe just in a terrible situation, not sure) and went back to coordinating for the rest of his very long career and wouldnt want it any other way. 

 

kubiak on the other hand, wasnt a bad head coach, but the stress was so much that it caused him to have a stroke, he has been talking like he is happy again and enjoying the game more, it could all be coach speak and keeping players and fans from turning on him(if he just flat out said hes leaving in the offseason, it probably wouldnt go over so well for the rest of the current season) but not everything a coach in the NFL says is manipulation, he really could mean it when he says he is enjoying it more being able to teach and do what he loves to do. 

 

a good coordinator doesnt automatically make a good HC and the job simply just isnt for everyone.

[52N19]

i assumed kubiack would leave after this year especially if we continue to have success. however i also assumed that Dennison

was the succession plan to kubiack for the OC position. i thought this was a great idea for harbaugh to bring over kubiacks whole staff for succession plan puproses.

 

the problem is, I read if kubiack goes he will probably take his staff with him since they seem to work together. if everyone were to go, the OC, the QB coach and he third guy who came wiht kubiack, we would be back to square one and in trouble.

[rmcjacket23]

i assumed kubiack would leave after this year especially if we continue to have success. however i also assumed that Dennison

was the succession plan to kubiack for the OC position. i thought this was a great idea for harbaugh to bring over kubiacks whole staff for succession plan puproses.

 

the problem is, I read if kubiack goes he will probably take his staff with him since they seem to work together. if everyone were to go, the OC, the QB coach and he third guy who came wiht kubiack, we would be back to square one and in trouble.

I think where Kubiak goes, Dennison goes, unless Dennison wants to be an OC somewhere else. He was already Kubiak's OC in Houston for four seasons.

 

If Kubiak leaves to be a HC, he can easily take Dennison with him and name him his OC, even though we know Kubiak calls the plays.

[beasy2487]

I think where Kubiak goes, Dennison goes, unless Dennison wants to be an OC somewhere else. He was already Kubiak's OC in Houston for four seasons.

 

If Kubiak leaves to be a HC, he can easily take Dennison with him and name him his OC, even though we know Kubiak calls the plays.

 

I'm not so sure. The way these NFL offenses are trending toward college...sure teams might think Kubes is good now but he's not the future. I doubt he or Dennison get any offers because at some unknown point in the future his offense will be obsolete.