I think we need one more receiver

[ravensdfan]

I didn't get defensive at all and don't even remember you talking about the defense . I guess i missed that part but I was during school work as well as responding to you at the time so my focus was off a little. Actually I remember  Stallworth, Evans and T.J. I actually have T.J as my profile pic so you know I remember him but when we had Boldin, Mason and Housh that was probably our best route runnning receivers ever but for some strange reason Cam kept asking them to run deep as if those guys were deep threat and we barely used Donte Stallworth other than for end arounds.

 

I know Housh drop that pass in the playoffs which ended our season but  we really didn't use any of our receiver right that year. I think we all have to understand this is totally new offense and sometimes growing pains take awhile to get over. Right now our most consistent receiver is  Steve Smith and Owen Daniels but that  why they were signed any way. Marlon Brown had 500 + receiving yards and seven touchdowns last year in a pretty predictable offense might I add and why should it  be a problem or seem illogical for the coaches or anyone to think Brown wouldn't be better than last year with a much better offensive coordinator calling the plays and a quarterback whom clearly has a  much improved offensive line to give him time to make some throws.

 

The season isn't no where near over and all our receivers still have plenty of time to improve and get better.  The idea that some  believe our current receiving core is a  lost cause is ridiculous in my opinion.We talking about the same  Smith  that supposely had a career year last year with 1,000 + receiving yards? I can't see how any one would believe Torrey Smith wouldn't be able to excel in Gary Kubiak offense that would take advantage of his speed more by getting him into space and etc .

 

We talking about Dennis Pitta .Signing Owen Daniels was a smart move im opinon because he's  a upgrade from Ed Dickson but also knows awhole alot about Gary Kubiak scheme and could help our guys out  with the offensive scheme.. Owen Daniels had a minor knee surgery and shouldn't be out for long and most likely will play in our next game.  It's not like Daniels will be our for a long time or anything. For Ozzie to give Joe Flacco Dennis Pitta and Owen Daniels was a good move in my opinion and there's no way anybody could had predicted for Pitta to injured the same hip again. I definitely can understand fans injury concerns when it comes to Daniels but other than that I wasn't no where near concerned that Pitta would hurt his hip again.

 

Honestly what rookie tight end is tearing it up right now?   I haven't saw a rookie tightend yet that has made me say to my self man we should of drafted him. Flacco was pretty consistent until this game and honestly yesterday it just seem like The Bengels have his number. Flacco has always had trouble against The Bengels defense for some odd reason and I have no clue why. It's like he becomes dumbfounded or just confused when it comes to reading their defense.  I think we all just need to come to realization that Flacco is just inconsistent quarterback and he's probably going to be that way forever. 

 

Flacco left some plays out their on the field yesterday in opinion. You can't expect for your receivers to be consistent if the quarterback isn't consistent. The receivers aren't passing the ball to themselves.

 

All of that has zero to do with what I said. It is time to stop patching the holes on offense and get some young blood in that is actually high draft pick worthy & will be around for 5 years.

 

There's time? Really? Our receivers get zero separation outside of Smith Sr. How much time are we going to give Torrey? Face it, he is NOT going to be that guy. A solid #2, that's it. Smith Sr is here for another season, two at most. We never had all those guys at one time that you mention and the majority were here for one season. That is the point.

 

Kubiak's system is all about the timing. Not going to happen without consistency of some sort.

 

Aiken didn't slow up on the deep pass. It was OVER thrown. Stop putting that on the WR...again. It was OVER THROWN!

 

It might not have been Aiken - there were a couple overthrown & one where the receiver slowed up. I thought that was Aiken as well - but it might not have been.

 

Aiken is the one who failed to catch the TD pass though. One a receiver should always catch.

[jazz1988]

All of that has zero to do with what I said. It is time to stop patching the holes on offense and get some young blood in that is actually high draft pick worthy & will be around for 5 years.

 

There's time? Really? Our receivers get zero separation outside of Smith Sr. How much time are we going to give Torrey? Face it, he is NOT going to be that guy. A solid #2, that's it. Smith Sr is here for another season, two at most. We never had all those guys at one time that you mention and the majority were here for one season. That is the point.

 

Kubiak's system is all about the timing. Not going to happen without consistency of some sort.

 

 

It might not have been Aiken - there were a couple overthrown & one where the receiver slowed up. I thought that was Aiken as well - but it might not have been.

 

Aiken is the one who failed to catch the TD pass though. One a receiver should always catch.

 

I never said Torrey Smith was a number one receiver but he is a good one .  I expected him to excel in Gary Kubiak offense but for some reason he hasn't which is kinda understandable in my opinion because this is totally new offense with new requirements.  I have seen before where good to great players struggle in a new offensive or defensive scheme and some don't  even get it down right away and take longer to get comfortable.  

 

Smith is our best route runner on our team of course he's going to get open faster and alot more often but he's been getting double team alot lately. Torrey Smith should be benefiting from this but for some reason he's not. All we have asked Torrey Smith for the majority of his four years here was to be deep threat which is something totally different from what Gary Kubiak wants out of him. I find it prefectly understandable for him to experience some growing pains and it wasn't like none of our receivers were open yesterday either but there just moments where Flacco didn't capitalize on it  and I admit our receivers struggle against press man coverage as well which doesn't help but i find it hard to believe no body was open yesterday. 

 

The Bengels defense just did a good job at confusing Flacco and making him uncomfortable. I have no problem with The Ravens drafting offense high and it be great to have a potential elite receiver but right now I will be watching for the growth of our current receivers.

[tcaz2014]

I agree that Flacco needs a quailty WR that 6'2" or taller. With Jacoby Jones & Torrey Smith, not living up to the extention they signed. It sad to see that back up WRs are playing with more heart than these two. It would be awesome to get Vince Jackson from Tampa, so Flacco's jump balls thrown can have a better chance to be caught by our team and not another meaningless INT. Maybe a trade that include Jacoby & Peirce could make this happen. I could see Steve Smtih would greatly benefit from this trade, not having being double team less.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd love to see us double dip if the value's there, especially if we can grab two types such as a Jaelen Strong and Greene together, but realistically we have too many needs so I'd be surprised if it happened.

The myth is that we address needs in the draft. It's true. But more than anything, we address needs in free agency. It's why I suspect we'll tackle CB in free agency by signing either an older veteran for cheap or an underrated guy nobody heard of before. I also think we'll re-sign one of Brown or Franks. We also have Jacobs, who looked good in preseason. He could get called up this year depending. He'll have a year to develop so there's that. I do think we'll take a CB early next year, but I'm not sure it'll be the splash play we all want. The CB free agent market isn't terrific, so teams will look to the draft to fill their needs on that position.

I think WR could be great value for us. We'll have to see though of course. I think it's very possible.

[GrimCoconut]

But but what's the chances of that actually happening (barring significant injuries) knowing how Ozzie rolls during the draft?

It's true that many times we've clamored for a WR but never got one. I think that was multifaceted though. We wanted Bryant but he was taken right before our eyes. I think the scouts know good players but Ozzie and his value picks best player according to him. In hindsight the Elam pick wasn't as good as the Allen selection, albeit Allen has had his struggles this year. Then you have guys like Beckham Jr, who I really liked but be went before we had a shot at him. I still say we should've taken Jeffrey over Upshaw but whatever. It is what it is.

I think the chance is there for us to take a WR and possibly double dip. It all depends on how we fill or needs in free agency. We will fill our critical needs in free agency. I think that will cause to make some hard choices in terms of cuts to free up money, but I suspect we'll fix CB and TE in free agency. We don't particularly need to fix WR in free agency because that position either commands good money and the talent is older.

We need a talented WR prospect to play on a cheap rookie deal to get good value. That's why I think WR is in play. Also, we've seen this year when WR play well and catch the ball Joe plays well and we win. I'm hoping Ozzie and them see the cane because I'm sure they do.

[GrimCoconut]

I actually think the main reason we've been passing on WRs (aside from the bust probability, which Ozzie avoids like the plague) is about value. Other teams love to leap on the position, especially in the early rounds, so it means the highest graded players tend to be defenders in s freefall.

Next year the value will be in the pass rush and other sides will likely retool in free agency with a good crop emerging. If we grab a WR1 Joe can get old with, this is upcoming draft is the one to do it as I think there's s good chance the BPA will be a WR.

That and Greene's a classic fit of what I'd expect Ozzie to look for if he attacked the position.

Yeah that's how I see it. I think we could likely see a scenario where we take CB, WR and OLB in the top the rounds, such as the following:

Round 1: WR

Round 2: OLB

Round 3: CB

Then trade our fourth round pick with another selection to trade up and take another WR who could fall. With the talent at WR this year, I think there's a good chance of it.

[ravensdfan]

Yeah that's how I see it. I think we could likely see a scenario where we take CB, WR and OLB in the top the rounds, such as the following:

Round 1: WR

Round 2: OLB

Round 3: CB

Then trade our fourth round pick with another selection to trade up and take another WR who could fall. With the talent at WR this year, I think there's a good chance of it.

 

 

Or, we'll give all 3 picks to the defense yet again and expect the offense to play like a well oiled machine with 6th & 7th rounders.

 

Yes I'm a little jaded at this point lol

 

I wouldn't even have minded going defense this last draft if we'd actually taken a high FS or a CB but nope. Picked the same 3 positions we picked the year before.

 

That said, I do think CJ was a steal - but after that - eh not so much.

[GrimCoconut]

Or, we'll give all 3 picks to the defense yet again and expect the offense to play like a well oiled machine with 6th & 7th rounders.

Yes I'm a little jaded at this point lol

I wouldn't even have minded going defense this last draft if we'd actually taken a high FS or a CB but nope. Picked the same 3 positions we picked the year before.

That said, I do think CJ was a steal - but after that - eh not so much.

The draft isn't just about filling immediate needs. That's the problem. I don't disagree. I really liked a few WR in this class but who did you want over Jernigan or Brooks at WR? Jernigan, I feel, was a pick to eventually replace Ngata. It's much like Pitta and Dickson were taken the year before we cut Heap. Ironically, we took Urban and Jernigan, possibly to replace Ngata.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not calling Ngata a bum. I think he has a decent showing yesterday even though he did a few things that I think contributed to allowing us to get run on the way we did in the red zone and helped allow those 14 points to Dalton.

[rmcjacket23]

Or, we'll give all 3 picks to the defense yet again and expect the offense to play like a well oiled machine with 6th & 7th rounders.

 

Yes I'm a little jaded at this point lol

 

I wouldn't even have minded going defense this last draft if we'd actually taken a high FS or a CB but nope. Picked the same 3 positions we picked the year before.

 

That said, I do think CJ was a steal - but after that - eh not so much.

From a secondary perspective, there are no worries from me of the FO addressing the situation. They might not draft the exact guys or even positions we want all the time, but lets not pretend like the organization doesn't know that our secondary is easily the weakest aspect of our team right now. Not guaranteeing that high picks in the draft will occur, but it will get addressed one way or another. Keep in mind my typical caveat though... corner and safety in particular are extremely difficult for rookies to excel in at this level. The rookie corners who become high quality starters in year 1 aren't many. Jimmy Smith took basically two full seasons to get to NFL level. So if we are going the draft route, its going to almost certainly have to be supported by FA moves, because expecting a first round corner to come in and save us is probably very naive. Same thing applies with safety, as people are now seeing that Terrence Brooks alone isn't the savior of the back end.

 

WR is an interesting one, because I'm not convinced the FO views this as a glaring weakness. I think they know its not a strength, but I'm not convinced they think WR is amongst even the 2-3 biggest priorities on this team. Its the kind of thing where I think they will continue to target them in the 3rd-4th rounds and later of drafts, and continue to keep an eye out for FA bargains.

 

I just don't see this team committing to a 1st round WR or moving up in a draft to get somebody who is perceived as a future stud.

[berad]

A WR.. eh.. I like our guys there.

 

Now, TE? You're onto something. We lost a lot of athleticism and playmaking when Pitta went down. Losing Daniels hurts, too, not sure on his timetable, but he is much slower than Pitta and less of a mismatch although he'll catch a good amount of passes.

 

Gilmore did okay yesterday but I thought Juice would be more involved - his one catch he did take for 21 yds, though.

 

WR might be a future need, depending on what happens with Torrey and Jacoby is pretty much out of the building.

[ravensdfan]

A WR.. eh.. I like our guys there.

 

Now, TE? You're onto something. We lost a lot of athleticism and playmaking when Pitta went down. Losing Daniels hurts, too, not sure on his timetable, but he is much slower than Pitta and less of a mismatch although he'll catch a good amount of passes.

 

Gilmore did okay yesterday but I thought Juice would be more involved - his one catch he did take for 21 yds, though.

 

WR might be a future need, depending on what happens with Torrey and Jacoby is pretty much out of the building.

 

Who do you like there and why? Genuinely curious.

 

I like Camp & Aiken - can see some potential there - but don't see any of that guy in our receiving corps.

 

Torrey is never going to be what we thought when we drafted him.  If he wants the big bucks, don't see him getting it here at all. Not worth much at this point IMO.

[StingerNLG]

I never said Torrey Smith was a number one receiver but he is a good one .  I expected him to excel in Gary Kubiak offense but for some reason he hasn't which is kinda understandable in my opinion because this is totally new offense with new requirements.  I have seen before where good to great players struggle in a new offensive or defensive scheme and some don't  even get it down right away and take longer to get comfortable.  

 

Smith is our best route runner on our team of course he's going to get open faster and alot more often but he's been getting double team alot lately. Torrey Smith should be benefiting from this but for some reason he's not. All we have asked Torrey Smith for the majority of his four years here was to be deep threat which is something totally different from what Gary Kubiak wants out of him. I find it prefectly understandable for him to experience some growing pains and it wasn't like none of our receivers were open yesterday either but there just moments where Flacco didn't capitalize on it  and I admit our receivers struggle against press man coverage as well which doesn't help but i find it hard to believe no body was open yesterday. 

 

The Bengels defense just did a good job at confusing Flacco and making him uncomfortable. I have no problem with The Ravens drafting offense high and it be great to have a potential elite receiver but right now I will be watching for the growth of our current receivers.

 

The problem with Torrey Smith is that he can't seem to run routes.    And so it's easy to simply have a DB run downfield with him every play.   The DB doesn't even have to be that good, just fast.

 

And while you're trying to put the game on Flacco, even the TV announcers showed with the telestrator multiple times how the Bengals secondary more or less swallowed up the receivers yesterday.   

 

Again, Torrey Smith had ZERO CATCHES!!    NONE, NADA, ZIP.   He had as many catches as AJ GREEN.    You're telling me that's all on Flacco?

 

Steve Smith was doubled all day and Campanaro was Flacco's target until he pulled his hamstring.   He had very little to throw at yesterday and most of us saw that.

[berad]

Who do you like there and why? Genuinely curious.

 

I like Camp & Aiken - can see some potential there - but don't see any of that guy in our receiving corps.

 

Torrey is never going to be what we thought when we drafted him.  If he wants the big bucks, don't see him getting it here at all. Not worth much at this point IMO.

 

I think Marlon is struggling with injuries but he has the frame and talent to become a legitimate player. Campanaro, I've got very high hopes for. Listening to the "Wired" for the Buccaneers game, Brandon Williams was raving about him. Aiken, I'm a little wary of, he's performed very well whenever he's gotten a shot but he also dropped that TD pass and has bounced around the league. I'll stay hopeful that he's 'sticking'.

 

Torrey, if he can rebound, we've seen be a threat. I'll disagree with you on him, I think he's hit a big rough patch. Steve Smith can still make plays, if that continues 1-2 years down the road who knows.

[jazz1988]

The problem with Torrey Smith is that he can't seem to run routes.    And so it's easy to simply have a DB run downfield with him every play.   The DB doesn't even have to be that good, just fast.

 

And while you're trying to put the game on Flacco, even the TV announcers showed with the telestrator multiple times how the Bengals secondary more or less swallowed up the receivers yesterday.   

 

Again, Torrey Smith had ZERO CATCHES!!    NONE, NADA, ZIP.   He had as many catches as AJ GREEN.    You're telling me that's all on Flacco?

 

Steve Smith was doubled all day and Campanaro was Flacco's target until he pulled his hamstring.   He had very little to throw at yesterday and most of us saw that.

 

I know Torrey Smith route running needs work and I said that in the past. He has beating good cornerbacks before in this league  but he has always struggled to get open against press man coverage which is something all our receivers struggle with except probably Steve Smith.

 

I'm not putting this all on Joe Flacco but he didn't play good yesterday and there were moments where he had enough time to make better decisions on his throws but didn't at times.  He over threw receivers, he was late with his throws and just made poor decisions at times. Flacco is who he and thats a good quarterback but he definitely is inconsistent .

 

The Bengels have a talented defensive line and there were moment where Flacco was pressured but it is what it is. Campanaro definitely was playing well and hopefully he gets healthy soon because i think he can be something special as a slot receiver. 

[rmw10]

I think Marlon is struggling with injuries but he has the frame and talent to become a legitimate player. Campanaro, I've got very high hopes for. Listening to the "Wired" for the Buccaneers game, Brandon Williams was raving about him. Aiken, I'm a little wary of, he's performed very well whenever he's gotten a shot but he also dropped that TD pass and has bounced around the league. I'll stay hopeful that he's 'sticking'.

 

Torrey, if he can rebound, we've seen be a threat. I'll disagree with you on him, I think he's hit a big rough patch. Steve Smith can still make plays, if that continues 1-2 years down the road who knows.

 

I think Aiken is a good 5th option, which is where he started and should be.  He's a quality STer apparently, and he can offer you something in the passing game at least.  His issues become more apparent in a more prominent role.

[1/28/01]

Im 6'3" and 200 lbs. I just got the call!

And it was to let me know that I am still too slow and still cant jump.

[DomMcRaven]

I think Marlon is struggling with injuries but he has the frame and talent to become a legitimate player. Campanaro, I've got very high hopes for. Listening to the "Wired" for the Buccaneers game, Brandon Williams was raving about him. Aiken, I'm a little wary of, he's performed very well whenever he's gotten a shot but he also dropped that TD pass and has bounced around the league. I'll stay hopeful that he's 'sticking'.

 

Torrey, if he can rebound, we've seen be a threat. I'll disagree with you on him, I think he's hit a big rough patch. Steve Smith can still make plays, if that continues 1-2 years down the road who knows.

I have no doubts about Smitty. Now, is Marlon still struggling with the pelvis injury that he had not too long ago? The question with Torrey is will it be too late for him to rebound? If there was ever a time, it would be now.

[ravensdfan]

I think Marlon is struggling with injuries but he has the frame and talent to become a legitimate player. Campanaro, I've got very high hopes for. Listening to the "Wired" for the Buccaneers game, Brandon Williams was raving about him. Aiken, I'm a little wary of, he's performed very well whenever he's gotten a shot but he also dropped that TD pass and has bounced around the league. I'll stay hopeful that he's 'sticking'.

 

Torrey, if he can rebound, we've seen be a threat. I'll disagree with you on him, I think he's hit a big rough patch. Steve Smith can still make plays, if that continues 1-2 years down the road who knows.

 

Well I was not aware Marlon was still struggling with injuries. I knew it had been an issue - didn't know it was an ongoing thing.

 

My thing with Torrey - he's not a rookie anymore. Year 4 I believe & still has the same issues he's always had. Can't track well & can't run proper and crisp routes. Doesn't fight for contested balls. It just hasn't changed so see no reason to believe it will change at this point. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a solid #2  and would love to keep him, just that he is not going to be anywhere near a #1. Smith Sr. is not going to be around long - what then? We wait to draft someone who could take a season or two before they contribute anything? No thank you. Been there, done that. Which is why we're in this position.

[berad]

I think Aiken is a good 5th option, which is where he started and should be.  He's a quality STer apparently, and he can offer you something in the passing game at least.  His issues become more apparent in a more prominent role.

 

Good call on the ST stuff, that definitely helped him make the roster and has kept him active on gameday.

 

I have no doubts about Smitty. Now, is Marlon still struggling with the pelvis injury that he had not too long ago? The question with Torrey is will it be too late for him to rebound? If there was ever a time, it would be now.

 

I was referring to the pelvis thing since he missed a couple of weeks with it and got limited snaps on his first game back. He also had an extensive injury history in college, too. But the pelvis thing? I don't know what caused it or if it was lingering. He also was underperforming through preseason, reportedly.

 

I'm hoping Torrey rebounds, too, because 2014 has been hard for him.

 

Well I was not aware Marlon was still struggling with injuries. I knew it had been an issue - didn't know it was an ongoing thing.

 

My thing with Torrey - he's not a rookie anymore. Year 4 I believe & still has the same issues he's always had. Can't track well & can't run proper and crisp routes. Doesn't fight for contested balls. It just hasn't changed so see no reason to believe it will change at this point. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a solid #2  and would love to keep him, just that he is not going to be anywhere near a #1. Smith Sr. is not going to be around long - what then? We wait to draft someone who could take a season or two before they contribute anything? No thank you. Been there, done that. Which is why we're in this position.

 

Yeah, see above, the pelvis was probably lingering before he sat down because I didn't see an instance of him being down on the field. His snaps have also been limited because of other guys stepping it up.

 

Yup, year 4 for Torrey and it's disappointing he hasn't put it together - especially in a contract year.

 

Steve will be gone in a year or two, you're right, but I was speaking more in terms of 2014 on a short-scale that we're okay. Afterwards, Jacoby will likely be gone. Torrey maybe, too. Steve another year older. It will become an issue, for sure.

[ravensdfan]

Good call on the ST stuff, that definitely helped him make the roster and has kept him active on gameday.

 

 

I was referring to the pelvis thing since he missed a couple of weeks with it and got limited snaps on his first game back. He also had an extensive injury history in college, too. But the pelvis thing? I don't know what caused it or if it was lingering. He also was underperforming through preseason, reportedly.

 

I'm hoping Torrey rebounds, too, because 2014 has been hard for him.

 

 

Yeah, see above, the pelvis was probably lingering before he sat down because I didn't see an instance of him being down on the field. His snaps have also been limited because of other guys stepping it up.

 

Yup, year 4 for Torrey and it's disappointing he hasn't put it together - especially in a contract year.

 

Steve will be gone in a year or two, you're right, but I was speaking more in terms of 2014 on a short-scale that we're okay. Afterwards, Jacoby will likely be gone. Torrey maybe, too. Steve another year older. It will become an issue, for sure.

 

Oh actually my bad, I thought this was the "offseason priorities" thread !

 

For this season, we've got what we've got. At least we'll get an idea of what we actually have in Aiken & Camp. I see good things in Camp's future tbh. Fights for every ball and I like that.

 

I like Torrey & I do hope he can shake off whatever funk he's got. Of course, I hope that for Jacoby as well but I think it might be too late for him to save a spot on this team.

[ravens rule]

Jacoby AIken and Brown are 3rd string receivers. Camp has potential as a future slot but he's a rookie. We need to start drafting young talent in the early rounds. Man the elam and brown draft was a complete waste man could of got someone like a Keenan Allen. No trades or free agents. Draft talent Ozzie.

[redrum52]

Everyone loves taliking about our wrs not tracking the ball well. Maybe, just maybe it's cause they're not thrown..... accurately.

[DomMcRaven]

I'm wondering how much of an impact our new WRs coach is having. I'm just curious. I just want our WRs to gain separation on a consistent basis. Is that too much to ask?

[kassaiscool]

It feels like ozzie avoids receivers in the first round. Someone who has great talent and can grow with Joe and develop together. I guess smith was suppose to be that guy, but he is to inconsistent to be there for Joe.

[ravensdfan]

Everyone loves taliking about our wrs not tracking the ball well. Maybe, just maybe it's cause they're not thrown..... accurately.

 

Yep. Flacco only throws accurate passes to Smith Sr., Boldin, Mason, Heap, Pitta. Everyone else must fend for themselves.

 

smh

[Inqui]

Yep. Flacco only throws accurate passes to Smith Sr., Boldin, Mason, Heap, Pitta. Everyone else must fend for themselves.

 

smh

It's that kind of logic that leads to calls to start Tyrod.

[ravensdfan]

It's that kind of logic that leads to calls to start Tyrod.

 

It's a ridiculous statement. Not one of Flacco's targets has left here to have any type of productive career in the NFL with a "more accurate" QB other than the ones I mentioned who could actually :

 

1. track a football

2. run a decent route

and

3. make a contested catch.

 

We want to surround him with scrubs and 2nd rate receiving targets and then say he's inconsistent. It's tiresome.

[redrum52]

It's a ridiculous statement. Not one of Flacco's targets has left here to have any type of productive career in the NFL with a "more accurate" QB other than the ones I mentioned who could actually :

1. track a football

2. run a decent route

and

3. make a contested catch.

We want to surround him with scrubs and 2nd rate receiving targets and then say he's inconsistent. It's tiresome.

Almost as tiresome as the excues being made for him. He has time to throw and makes bone headed decisions. Every excuse under the sun is made to defend him when he flat out plays bad. When the wrs open, how about hitting them in stride so the catch isn't contested. When the O line gives you time, how about reading the defense and understanding where the open guy is instead of forcing a deep pass for no reason. When there is a defender in front of the wr how about not passing to the defender. When obvious BLITZ is obvious how about knowing where your hot read is to get the ball out quickly. Or when you need points and have no timeout, how about releasing the ball before time runs out so you can get 3 points? Why squander weapons on a person you know is inconsistent? If I'm a gm there is no reason to focus an offense around Flacco when I have no idea what I'm getting on a week by week basis.

[ravensdfan]

Almost as tiresome as the excues being made for him. Wait! You just used all those excuses to try to defend our 5-11 season when you thought somene was trying to give Flacco credit for turning things around but now they don't count? Which is it?

 

He has time to throw and makes bone headed decisions. Every excuse under the sun is made to defend him when he flat out plays bad. When the wrs open, how about hitting them in stride so the catch isn't contested. When that actually happens with any consistency, you let me know. Come prepared to prove it because I watch the games too. Our WRs are never open enough for uncontested catches.

 

When the O line gives you time, how about reading the defense and understanding where the open guy is instead of forcing a deep pass for no reason. Sometimes, you have to go downfield to keep the defense honest. You just have to, however, when it fails on 2nd&2, then you run on 3rd&2. I honestly don't know if that was Flacco's call or Kubiak's, but I didn't like it either.

 

When there is a defender in front of the wr how about not passing to the defender. When obvious BLITZ is obvious how about knowing where your hot read is to get the ball out quickly.  You mean like he did and Torrey wasn't there? So it was an INT? Like that? Cuz you know Torrey was the hot read and it was all about getting that ball out right?

 

Or when you need points and have no timeout, how about releasing the ball before time runs out so you can get 3 points? One time. I mean really, do I need to go back and find boneheaded plays for every so-called elite QB in the league? Because you know they all have them. That happened one time. Which only proves you're on some kind of vendetta here to even bring that up.

 

Why squander weapons on a person you know is inconsistent? If I'm a gm there is no reason to focus an offense around Flacco when I have no idea what I'm getting on a week by week basis.  Why expect consistency when you provide no weapons. If I send you into a gunfight without bullets should I expect you to win?

 

 

Back to the point that was initially addressed about Flacco being the problem, name one target that left here and had any type of NFL career. Because that's the litmus test. One receiving target in the past six years of Flacco's that didn't prosper here but did elsewhere. It's a six year span, certainly if Flacco was the issue at least one of them would have been productive with a better QB.

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It's a ridiculous statement. Not one of Flacco's targets has left here to have any type of productive career in the NFL with a "more accurate" QB other than the ones I mentioned who could actually :

 

1. track a football

2. run a decent route

and

3. make a contested catch.

 

We want to surround him with scrubs and 2nd rate receiving targets and then say he's inconsistent. It's tiresome.

 

I think Mark Clayton was on his way to having a more productive year with out Flacco but he tore his acl. Not saying that to be a  knock on Flacco because I thought that was more due to our offensive scheme with Cam than anything. Flacco is inconsistent in my opinion and even when we did have receivers that could actually run routes such as  Mason, Boldin, and Housh he still was inconsistent.

 

Flacco is what he is. Of course giving him better talent at receiving position would be nice and helpful but it ain't like his receiving cast is terrible either.