I think we need one more receiver

[Alaska Alaska!]

And if Aiken makes that TD catch or if he doesn't slow down on that bomb. Then we win. If any one of our receivers other than Smith Sr could get separation, then we win.

 

If we stop playing prevent & take our chances, because as much as Franks got abused, when we actually blitzed he nearly had a critical INT. That is how it works. We have to stop playing scared all the time on defense.

 

We are in need of an actual WR. We can draft defense too - but we need a real WR. Smith SR won't be here long.

I rather have a stud running back like Leveon Bell than draft a WR like Odell Benjamin who faces injury issues.  Look at Eric Ebron.  He's barely contributed anything to his team.  Power running and great stout defense is what has brought this franchise success, not flashy WRs. 

[ravensdfan]

I rather have a stud running back like Leveon Bell than draft a WR like Odell Benjamin who faces injury issues.  Look at Eric Ebron.  He's barely contributed anything to his team.  Power running and great stout defense is what has brought this franchise success, not flashy WRs. 

 

RBs are a dime a dozen. The league is built for offense now - a stout defense will only take you so far. Have you not noticed all the scoring records being broken?

 

Stopgaps are not getting the job done. They don't offer any consitency for the QB. It is time to do it. Way past time IMO. It is one high draft pick - we owe it to the offense after the defense got them all the last 2 drafts.

[Alaska Alaska!]

RBs are a dime a dozen. The league is built for offense now - a stout defense will only take you so far. Have you not noticed all the scoring records being broken?

 

Stopgaps are not getting the job done. They don't offer any consitency for the QB. It is time to do it. Way past time IMO. It is one high draft pick - we owe it to the offense after the defense got them all the last 2 drafts.

 

As I said in one of the other threads, injuries to other teams (especially the 49ers) have taken away from the quality of defenses today.  It just seems that most teams have inept DBs and inept D-line men.  But when teams get them right...they get them right.  The Eagles and the Lions (and us) have some pretty good defenses.  

 

Also, stopgaps got us a SB win.  Stopgaps (Smitty and OD) are the reason we're even in contention.  RBs are not a dime a dozen. If they were, people would stop asking for us to cut Pierce.  A good quality RB like Bell and Lynch are worth the first round picl

[ravensdfan]

As I said in one of the other threads, injuries to other teams (especially the 49ers) have taken away from the quality of defenses today.  It just seems that most teams have inept DBs and inept D-line men.  But when teams get them right...they get them right.  The Eagles and the Lions (and us) have some pretty good defenses.  

 

Also, stopgaps got us a SB win.  Stopgaps (Smitty and OD) are the reason we're even in contention.  RBs are not a dime a dozen. If they were, people would stop asking for us to cut Pierce.  A good quality RB like Bell and Lynch are worth the first round picl

 

Forsett & LT are more than adequate. RB is not a need right now.

[Alaska Alaska!]

Forsett & LT are more than adequate. RB is not a need right now.

They're both serviceable.... but they're not your "Marshawn Lynch" "Adrian Peterson" "Jamaal Lewis" kind of players (at least not right now).  When you have juggernaut RBs, that can run the ball at will for 10+ yards a pop, then that's a power house running game.  

[ravensdfan]

They're both serviceable.... but they're not your "Marshawn Lynch" "Adrian Peterson" "Jamaal Lewis" kind of players (at least not right now).  When you have juggernaut RBs, that can run the ball at will for 10+ yards a pop, then that's a power house running game.  

 

#7 in rushing for the team

#7 for Forsett

 

 

Think they are more than serviceable. We're fine at RB.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I'm tired of seeing DB's run stride for stride with our WR's year after year.Torrey is the only WR during we've had since drafting Joe who could burn a DB and he's either hiding some injuries or he's just not as fast as he used to be anymore.Both the colts and the bengals played with no fear of getting burned by our WR's.I'm tired of defense first.I'm tired of building ground and pound offenses.The ravens getting swept by the bengals can be blamed largely on the lack of talent at WR.The receivers  dropped so many game changing passes in those two games and struggled to get separation.It's sickening to be a fan of offense first football while being a fan of a franchise that's defense first to the degree that we are.Depending on where we are in the draft,if we don't move up to get Cooper or make a serious effort to steal Maclin from the eagles or Moore from the raiders I'm going to lose my mind!!

[Alaska Alaska!]

#7 in rushing for the team

#7 for Forsett

 

 

Think they are more than serviceable. We're fine at RB.

We we're fine at MLB last season, but we improved with Mosley. When Rice was here, we ran the ball a lot more. (of course that's because of OC play calling).  Compare our run game today to that when Jamal Lewis was here.  Why not get back to being dominant in the run game.  Like... truly dominant

[Alaska Alaska!]

I'm tired of seeing DB's run stride for stride with our WR's year after year.Torrey is the only WR during we've had since drafting Joe who could burn a DB and he's either hiding some injuries or he's just not as fast as he used to be anymore.Both the colts and the bengals played with no fear of getting burned by our WR's.I'm tired of defense first.I'm tired of building ground and pound offenses.The ravens getting swept by the bengals can be blamed largely on the lack of talent at WR.The receivers  dropped so many game changing passes in those two games and struggled to get separation.It's sickening to be a fan of offense first football while being a fan of a franchise that's defense first to the degree that we are.Depending on where we are in the draft,if we don't move up to get Cooper or make a serious effort to steal Maclin from the eagles or Moore from the raiders I'm going to lose my mind!!

How have our picks with WRs been since the Harbaugh era?  WR is Ozzie's Kryptonite. 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

That's fine with me.  NE seems to be doing just fine.  The Bears on the other hand don't seem to be doing well at all.  Boldin served his purpose while he was here.  We don't need keepers, we just need people who can help us get the job done for the season

 

 

NE has Brady,CHI has Cutler.That's the reason why NE has weaker skill players and is still more consistent and explosive.

[Alaska Alaska!]

NE has Brady,CHI has Cutler.That's the reason why NE has weaker skill players and is still more consistent and explosive.

That's my point.  Even when you provide a guy like Cutler weapons like Bennett, Marshall, and Jeffery, he still can't get the job done.  Joe HAS gotten the job done with reliable stop gaps.  Hording good receivers isn't necessary.  Limited time deals (at WR) have worked for us stemming all the way back to our 2000 SB run.

[GrimCoconut]

Yes, we need another WR. Been saying this for a while. Smith Sr can't do it all by himself and he's freaking 35-years-old. Our entire WR corps has question marks, if not one big question mark. Our WR corps needs some serious potential. Kevin White, Amari Cooper, Jaelen Strong or Rashad Greene, please. At least one of them, maybe more. Not joking here, either. There's a stark difference with our offense when we have talent at WR and it's rolling and when it doesn't. I'm sure we won't get a Cooper, but I think White or Strong will be within range. I'd even double-dip and take Greene as well, as unpopular as it might be. Have a WR corps of the following: 

 

Steve Smith Sr, Jaelen Strong, Rashad Greene, Michael Camapanaro, Marlon Brown and try to re-sign Torrey Smith. Bam. You got WR depth right there and those guys can see the field. The team wins when the offense plays well. You could move on from Smith Sr in two years and have a starting WR set with Strong, Greene, Camapanaro and Smith. Let's see someone cover all those guys. 

[Inqui]

I'm tired of seeing DB's run stride for stride with our WR's year after year.Torrey is the only WR during we've had since drafting Joe who could burn a DB and he's either hiding some injuries or he's just not as fast as he used to be anymore.Both the colts and the bengals played with no fear of getting burned by our WR's.I'm tired of defense first.I'm tired of building ground and pound offenses.The ravens getting swept by the bengals can be blamed largely on the lack of talent at WR.The receivers  dropped so many game changing passes in those two games and struggled to get separation.It's sickening to be a fan of offense first football while being a fan of a franchise that's defense first to the degree that we are.Depending on where we are in the draft,if we don't move up to get Cooper or make a serious effort to steal Maclin from the eagles or Moore from the raiders I'm going to lose my mind!!

Six words: Rashad Greene from Florida State Unviersity.

 

Unless we're in the top 10, Cooper would require giving away most of the franchise - no doubt including a couple of premier box tickets.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

How have our picks with WRs been since the Harbaugh era?  WR is Ozzie's Kryptonite. 

 

 

Then we need to put more effort(high draft picks/free agent money) into the WR position to cover up how inept we are at drafting them.We'll never have a good WR corp if we just say "oh well,we suck at hitting on picks at WR so lets not even try".And the fact that we miss at that position so often is just another reason trading Boldin and dismantling the good WR corp we had in order to help the defense was such a bad idea.

[GrimCoconut]

Six words: Rashad Greene from Florida State Unviersity.

 

Unless we're in the top 10, Cooper would require giving away most of the franchise - no doubt including a couple of premier box tickets.

I think we should double-dip at WR this year. Strong or White in the 1st, Greene in the 2nd. Or perhaps take Greene in the 2nd and a guy like Goodley depending on where he goes, such as if he's there in the 3rd or 4th. We need a CB, but I still don't like our chances of getting a guy in the 1st but you never know. I'd love to have Waynes. 

[jazz1988]

I'm tired of seeing DB's run stride for stride with our WR's year after year.Torrey is the only WR during we've had since drafting Joe who could burn a DB and he's either hiding some injuries or he's just not as fast as he used to be anymore.Both the colts and the bengals played with no fear of getting burned by our WR's.I'm tired of defense first.I'm tired of building ground and pound offenses.The ravens getting swept by the bengals can be blamed largely on the lack of talent at WR.The receivers  dropped so many game changing passes in those two games and struggled to get separation.It's sickening to be a fan of offense first football while being a fan of a franchise that's defense first to the degree that we are.Depending on where we are in the draft,if we don't move up to get Cooper or make a serious effort to steal Maclin from the eagles or Moore from the raiders I'm going to lose my mind!!

 

Actually Torrey Smith is still fast but Gary Kubiak offense isn't built on throwing deep  as often as our old offense such as with Cam and Caldwell. I think Smith is just having a tough time getting adjusted to Gary Kubiak offense and it may take until later on in the season for him to  really get comfortable or maybe he won't get comfortable until next year.   Both The Colts and Bengals have pretty good cornerbacks especially pretty good man cover corners and press man has always been Torrey Smith krytonite especially against those more physical cornerbacks.

 

I personally like our talent at wide receiver honestly and I don't consider them bad at all . I think the upside is there but time will tell when it will eventually get to the level where it should be.

[ravensdfan]

We we're fine at MLB last season, but we improved with Mosley. When Rice was here, we ran the ball a lot more. (of course that's because of OC play calling).  Compare our run game today to that when Jamal Lewis was here.  Why not get back to being dominant in the run game.  Like... truly dominant

 

Because that isn't how the game works anymore. Rules are made to the advantage of the passing game and to hinder the defense. Ground & pound isn't going to get it done. It just isn't.

 

We've been ground & pound forever with a formidable defense & it garnered us 2 Lombardis in a 12 year span. That is a system that is NOT working.

 

It is past time for this franchise to realize that not only does offense exist, you have to invest something other than over the hill FAs and a trade here and there into it in order to be successful. Past time to realize that yes, Ozzie, there IS offense.

[Inqui]

I think we should double-dip at WR this year. Strong or White in the 1st, Greene in the 2nd. Or perhaps take Greene in the 2nd and a guy like Goodley depending on where he goes, such as if he's there in the 3rd or 4th. We need a CB, but I still don't like our chances of getting a guy in the 1st but you never know. I'd love to have Waynes. 

I'd love to see us double dip if the value's there, especially if we can grab two types such as a Jaelen Strong and Greene together, but realistically we have too many needs so I'd be surprised if it happened.

[DomMcRaven]

I think we should double-dip at WR this year. Strong or White in the 1st, Greene in the 2nd. Or perhaps take Greene in the 2nd and a guy like Goodley depending on where he goes, such as if he's there in the 3rd or 4th. We need a CB, but I still don't like our chances of getting a guy in the 1st but you never know. I'd love to have Waynes. 

But but what's the chances of that actually happening (barring significant injuries) knowing how Ozzie rolls during the draft?

[jazz1988]

Because that isn't how the game works anymore. Rules are made to the advantage of the passing game and to hinder the defense. Ground & pound isn't going to get it done. It just isn't.

 

We've been ground & pound forever with a formidable defense & it garnered us 2 Lombardis in a 12 year span. That is a system that is NOT working.

 

It is past time for this franchise to realize that not only does offense exist, you have to invest something other than over the hill FAs and a trade here and there into it in order to be successful. Past time to realize that yes, Ozzie, there IS offense.

 

I think Seahawks showed that you can be ground and pound offense and have a great defense to win a super bowl. Alot of Ravens fans believe since we haven't drafted a receiver high since 2011 it means that we have totally ignored the offense.

 

I don't think any body could predict the incident with Ray Rice and Dennis Pitta. I just don't think what we did this entire offense season showed that we totally ignored our offense at all. We clearly made sure to get Flacco  better protection with some upgrades to the offensive line, we made sure to keep Flacco surrounded with his security blanket in Dennis Pitta , we made sure to add reliable receivers that could make the tough catches when needed in Steve Smith and Owen Daniels, We gave Flacco a tightend that could finally block  through the draft, Flacco already had one the best deep threats in the league in Torrey Smith whom was coming of a career year last year, Flacco had Marlon Brown to throw to whom had a solid rookie season last year, Flacco had another deep threat in Jacoby Jones whom was clearly one of the best kick returners in the league  last year which is nothing but a big help for a quarterback , and most of all we gave Flacco a beyond average offensive coordinator to work with.

 

I know we want to see Ozzie do more with the  offense in the draft  but it's not like he has not cater to Flacco at all.

[Inqui]

But but what's the chances of that actually happening (barring significant injuries) knowing how Ozzie rolls during the draft?

I actually think the main reason we've been passing on WRs (aside from the bust probability, which Ozzie avoids like the plague) is about value. Other teams love to leap on the position, especially in the early rounds, so it means the highest graded players tend to be defenders in s freefall.

Next year the value will be in the pass rush and other sides will likely retool in free agency with a good crop emerging. If we grab a WR1 Joe can get old with, this is upcoming draft is the one to do it as I think there's s good chance the BPA will be a WR.

That and Greene's a classic fit of what I'd expect Ozzie to look for if he attacked the position.

[ravensdfan]

1. I think Seahawks showed that you can be ground and pound offense and have a great defense to win a super bowl.

 

 

2. I don't think any body could predict the incident with Ray Rice and Dennis Pitta. I just don't think what we did this entire offense season showed that we totally ignored our offense at all. We clearly made sure to get Flacco  better protection with some upgrades to the offensive line, we made sure to keep Flacco surrounded with his security blanket in Dennis Pitta , we made sure to add reliable receivers that could make the tough catches when needed in Steve Smith and Owen Daniels, We gave Flacco a tightend that could finally block  through the draft, Flacco already had one the best deep threats in the league in Torrey Smith whom was coming of a career year last year, Flacco had Marlon Brown to throw to whom had a solid rookie season last year, Flacco had another deep threat in Jacoby Jones whom was clearly one of the best kick returners in the league  last year which is nothing but a big help for a quarterback , and most of all we gave Flacco a beyond average offensive coordinator to work with.

 

 

I know we want to see Ozzie do more with the  offense in the draft  but it's not like he has not cater to Flacco at all.

 

1. It only proves it works once in awhile. That last time it worked was in 2000. That's a 13 year span. 2012 it wasn't our 18th ranked defense that won our Lombardi.

 

2. And all I said was now we'll treat the defense that same way, like a patchwork quilt and look how defensive you got. It is beyond time to get that high WR & TE that won't be leaving after 1 or 2 seasons OR worse, doesn't show up at all.

 

What people like you remember is Boldin and now Smith Sr. You've forgotten the likes of Stallworth, Evans, TJ etc. The revolving door that has been our receiving corps. There is no consistency on our receiving corps at all. You tout Marlon Brown like that is something. He was a UDFA for crying out loud. How did that work out huh? Torrey - who we all lamented was NOT that guy before the last draft. How is that working out? We screamed for another TE knowing Pitta was coming off a bad injury and there wasn't anyone else. Who'd we get? No one. Brought in Owen Daniels, also coming off a bad injury. Now - he's out too isn't he? So Ozzie gave Joe 2 TEs coming off injuries. Now both are hurt. And you call that giving him something? I don't. I call that having a revolving door of targets for Joe once again.

 

And then we scream about how inconsistent Flacco is. My Heavens, no wonder. How are you to be consistent when there is no consistency around you at all.

[ravefan52]

We've need another WR for awhile now. I'm really hoping that Ozzie has realized the reason this offense has done so well is because of the addition of Steve. Obviously Kubes' system has been the engine of it all, but when Joe has good WR's to throw we are a much better team. Joe has finally had a good set of weapons and guess what? He's having a career season. It's no coincidence. Maybe this will convince him to hit WR early in the draft, I hope so.

[1/28/01]

Aiken didn't slow up on the deep pass. It was OVER thrown. Stop putting that on the WR...again. It was OVER THROWN!

[jazz1988]

1. It only proves it works once in awhile. That last time it worked was in 2000. That's a 13 year span. 2012 it wasn't our 18th ranked defense that won our Lombardi.

 

2. And all I said was now we'll treat the defense that same way, like a patchwork quilt and look how defensive you got. It is beyond time to get that high WR & TE that won't be leaving after 1 or 2 seasons OR worse, doesn't show up at all.

 

What people like you remember is Boldin and now Smith Sr. You've forgotten the likes of Stallworth, Evans, TJ etc. The revolving door that has been our receiving corps. There is no consistency on our receiving corps at all. You tout Marlon Brown like that is something. He was a UDFA for crying out loud. How did that work out huh? Torrey - who we all lamented was NOT that guy before the last draft. How is that working out? We screamed for another TE knowing Pitta was coming off a bad injury and there wasn't anyone else. Who'd we get? No one. Brought in Owen Daniels, also coming off a bad injury. Now - he's out too isn't he? So Ozzie gave Joe 2 TEs coming off injuries. Now both are hurt. And you call that giving him something? I don't. I call that having a revolving door of targets for Joe once again.

 

And then we scream about how inconsistent Flacco is. My Heavens, no wonder. How are you to be consistent when there is no consistency around you at all.

 

1. It only proves it works once in awhile. That last time it worked was in 2000. That's a 13 year span. 2012 it wasn't our 18th ranked defense that won our Lombardi.

 

2. And all I said was now we'll treat the defense that same way, like a patchwork quilt and look how defensive you got. It is beyond time to get that high WR & TE that won't be leaving after 1 or 2 seasons OR worse, doesn't show up at all.

 

What people like you remember is Boldin and now Smith Sr. You've forgotten the likes of Stallworth, E.vans, TJ etc The revolving door that has been our receiving corps. There is no consistency on our receiving corps at all. You tout Marlon Brown like that is something. He was a UDFA for crying out loud. How did that work out huh? Torrey - who we all lamented was NOT that guy before the last draft. How is that working out? We screamed for another TE knowing Pitta was coming off a bad injury and there wasn't anyone else. Who'd we get? No one. Brought in Owen Daniels, also coming off a bad injury. Now - he's out too isn't he? So Ozzie gave Joe 2 TEs coming off injuries. Now both are hurt. And you call that giving him something? I don't. I call that having a revolving door of targets for Joe once again.

 

And then we scream about how inconsistent Flacco is. My Heavens, no wonder. How are you to be consistent when there is no consistency around you at all.

 

I didn't get defensive at all and don't even remember you talking about the defense . I guess i missed that part but I was during school work as well as responding to you at the time so my focus was off a little. Actually I remember  Stallworth, Evans and T.J. I actually have T.J as my profile pic so you know I remember him but when we had Boldin, Mason and Housh that was probably our best route runnning receivers ever but for some strange reason Cam kept asking them to run deep as if those guys were deep threat and we barely used Donte Stallworth other than for end arounds.

 

I know Housh drop that pass in the playoffs which ended our season but  we really didn't use any of our receiver right that year. I think we all have to understand this is totally new offense and sometimes growing pains take awhile to get over. Right now our most consistent receiver is  Steve Smith and Owen Daniels but that  why they were signed any way. Marlon Brown had 500 + receiving yards and seven touchdowns last year in a pretty predictable offense might I add and why should it  be a problem or seem illogical for the coaches or anyone to think Brown wouldn't be better than last year with a much better offensive coordinator calling the plays and a quarterback whom clearly has a  much improved offensive line to give him time to make some throws.

 

The season isn't no where near over and all our receivers still have plenty of time to improve and get better.  The idea that some  believe our current receiving core is a  lost cause is ridiculous in my opinion.We talking about the same  Smith  that supposely had a career year last year with 1,000 + receiving yards? I can't see how any one would believe Torrey Smith wouldn't be able to excel in Gary Kubiak offense that would take advantage of his speed more by getting him into space and etc .

 

We talking about Dennis Pitta .Signing Owen Daniels was a smart move im opinon because he's  a upgrade from Ed Dickson but also knows awhole alot about Gary Kubiak scheme and could help our guys out  with the offensive scheme.. Owen Daniels had a minor knee surgery and shouldn't be out for long and most likely will play in our next game.  It's not like Daniels will be our for a long time or anything. For Ozzie to give Joe Flacco Dennis Pitta and Owen Daniels was a good move in my opinion and there's no way anybody could had predicted for Pitta to injured the same hip again. I definitely can understand fans injury concerns when it comes to Daniels but other than that I wasn't no where near concerned that Pitta would hurt his hip again.

 

Honestly what rookie tight end is tearing it up right now?   I haven't saw a rookie tightend yet that has made me say to my self man we should of drafted him. Flacco was pretty consistent until this game and honestly yesterday it just seem like The Bengels have his number. Flacco has always had trouble against The Bengels defense for some odd reason and I have no clue why. It's like he becomes dumbfounded or just confused when it comes to reading their defense.  I think we all just need to come to realization that Flacco is just inconsistent quarterback and he's probably going to be that way forever. 

 

Flacco left some plays out their on the field yesterday in opinion. You can't expect for your receivers to be consistent if the quarterback isn't consistent. The receivers aren't passing the ball to themselves.

[Static]

We need to redo the entire receiving core.

The smiths don't deliver. Torrey isn't a 1, or a 2. He might be a Jacoby Jones put him in at 4 just for go routes

Steve doesnt beat #1 corners.

[RaineV1]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Ravens pick a WR high to possibly have a long term guy. Especially if they can't keep Torrey or choose to let him go to another team if they think the isn't right for this offense (in all honesty, there are other teams that would be getting more out of Torrey right now). However, I think the ravens will be fine with Steve, Torrey, and Camp as their primary three receivers for now, along with their running backs and Gilmore as check down options.

[balfan23]

We need another WR ... and 2 CBs. 

[rmcjacket23]

We need to redo the entire receiving core.

The smiths don't deliver. Torrey isn't a 1, or a 2. He might be a Jacoby Jones put him in at 4 just for go routes

Steve doesnt beat #1 corners.

As long as you're aware that the process is a multi-year process, and there's going to be offensive struggles in the interim.

 

Based on what I've seen historically on these message boards, the idea of patience with the Ravens isn't exactly a popular one.

[Static]

4INTs in 2 games. All towards Torrey. The only thing that is Flacco's fault is why in the world does he keep throwing at Torrey. He doesn't make plays on the ball. Unless the ball hits him in the chest on his terrible routes will he catch it.